I think you are missing Judy's point. She is saying she wishes to stay involved and informed, without the debates. A well curated announce list is the only solution. Working in harmony with the confluence as a reference. Avris's further point is this is as true for NCSG as it is for NCUC. If furthermore NCUC needs to "get a room" to hash out internal discussions, so be it. IMO it's not a question of if but when. j On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:13 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi > > It seems we're talking about several different rationales/models for the > possible creation of an NCUC listserv, each of which has different > implications. > > One, which appeals to me, would be a list for discussing any purely > internal process stuff. So discussions (and the occasional disagreements) > about how the constituency organizes its affairs, e.g. elections, filling > slots on SG bodies or GNSO working groups, and so on, as well as any > announcements from the constituency leadership, would go to this list. > Discussions of substantive issues related to GNSO or Internet governance > more generally would remain on the SG list, since these really should be of > interest to both constituencies' members. > > A second, which Avri and Joly are suggesting, would be a list solely for > announcements and administrative messages from the constituency leadership. > Personally, I'm not sure I see how much this would help, since a) it's not > obvious that there's going to be a need for so many such one-way messages > to justify a separate list, and b) this would not address the sort of > complaints made by Alain about messages pertaining to NCUC laundry, dirty > or otherwise. > > A third, which if I understand her correctly Judy Branzelle is suggesting, > would be a list that hosts the bulk of discussions both substantive and > process, on the grounds that there's just too much mail to read. This I > have even more difficulty with than the second. While I can understand > NPOC members not wanting to read NCUC internal process debates (any more > than NCUC members want to read NPOC internal process debates), now that the > chartering and reorganization are done, most of our traffic should normally > be on substantive issues, as it was before we had to deal with the > institutional tumult. I would think that anyone who's made the commitment > to get involved in GNSO/ICANN, or at least to keep an eye on developments > therein even if they can't consistently participate, should want to be > connected to the substantive discussions. Moving these into an NCUC-only > space would impede collective awareness of the issues and make coordination > on them more difficult. A rump SG list that doesn't host these probably > would have relatively little traffic or value. > > Just my view. What do others think? > > Bill > > On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > > I'd say yes to both. > > j > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The other possibility, it the NCSG leadership is willing to countenance >> another list, which in the past they weren't, they could establish a NCSG >> announce list that our leaders could us for informational and transparency >> purposes. >> >> Or maybe there could be both a NCSG and a NCUC announce-only list for our >> leaders to use for announcements and transparency when they are acting in >> the best interests of the membership of the respective organizations. >> >> avri >> >> On 17 Nov 2011, at 15:00, Joly MacFie wrote: >> >> > My 2c. >> > >> > I believe there should at least be a NCUC-MEMBERS (or suitable >> equivalent) list, announce-only, for announcements and admin - then people >> who might otherwise be ignoring the general to-and-fro of NCSG-discuss can >> set their filters so as to get important notices. >> > >> > j >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > --------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast >> > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com >> > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com >> > VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > - >> > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com > VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -