Ahsjku Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from du -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Brown <[log in to unmask]> Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:23:08 To: <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Kerry Brown <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Seeking your comments: GNSO and ccNSO topics I have to disagree somewhat with this. You are painting all ccTLD's with the same brush. As a director of CIRA who manage the .ca ccTLD I can say that CIRA listens to all stakeholders and takes their views into account when creating policy. I know many other ccTLDs do as well. Of course many don't as they are either run more like a commercial gTLD or closely controlled by the state. I think overall you'll find the ccTLDs are very diverse with many different governance models. It is very hard to make generalizations because of this. Personally I would like to see increased interaction between all the ICANN councils, constituencies, and stakeholders. That I think most of us agree on. Kerry Brown > -----Original Message----- > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of Konstantinos Komaitis > Sent: November-10-11 2:19 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Seeking your comments: GNSO and ccNSO > topics > > We definitely need to engage more with the ccNSO - from what I have > observed the ccNSO is mainly exposed to discussions with a limited number > of stakeholders and mainly law enforcement agencies. So, they are only > listening to one side of the story and ultimately they tend to forget/don't > care/don't consider important the implications their policies have on non- > commercial users, fair use and free speech. So, I definitely support a more > robust interaction between the two councils and also I suggest we, as NCSG, > start approaching the ccNSO for more in depth discussions. > > KK > > Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, > > Senior Lecturer, > Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses Director of LLM Information > Technology and Telecommunications Law University of Strathclyde, The Law > School, Graham Hills building, > 50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA > UK > tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 > http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain- > Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765 > Selected publications: > http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038 > Website: www.komaitis.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of Robin Gross > Sent: Πέμπτη, 10 Νοεμβρίου 2011 1:52 πμ > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Seeking your comments: GNSO and ccNSO > topics > > Thanks, Andrew. However, this might a good reason to open a dialogue with > ccNSO on this issue and to bring to bear some of these issues and concerns > of registrants when these take-downs happen outside of due process. So > while we (NCSG) might be coming from a different perspective than ccNSO, > we could both benefit from hearing the issues and concerns from the other > and trying to find some common ground where possible. > > Thanks, > Robin > > > On Nov 9, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Andrew A. Adams wrote: > > >> Dear all, > >> As some of you may be aware, there are moves to strengthen the > >> cooperation = between the ccNSO and GNSO. Ideas are being canvassed > >> for suggestions on po= ssible areas for interaction. A question: > >> would the issue of domain name ta= kedown might be a good one to > >> suggest for joint ccNSO GNSO work? Especially= given the recent > >> Verisign episode, it is not just a ccTLD issue. Lots of d= ifferences > >> between the GNSO and ccNSO but takedowns have some significant i= > >> ssues in terms of the rights of registrants that would echo across both > and= likely to be of increasing focus =85.. > >> Thoughts? > > > > With Nominet dealing with this in the UK as well, it's clear that > > there is common ground between ccNSO and GNSO here. However, I am > > concerned that cc delegates may be more easily influenced by > > censorship-happy governments and that this might leave us with less > > protection for freedom of speech in the generic name space than we might > otherwise have. > > > > -- > > Professor Andrew A Adams [log in to unmask] > > Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and Deputy > > Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics > > Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ > > > > > > > IP JUSTICE > Robin Gross, Executive Director > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: [log in to unmask]