Tamir, no objection at all... as an applied research grantmaking practitioner in the past, as well as a retired evaluation consultant for international development agencies, I have seen the benefits of assessments being made on the basis of facts (or evidence if you prefer) which I define as objectively verifiable by an independant and uninterested third party. I suggest that norm be followed for admitting members into our constituencies and stakeholders' group. Alain On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Tamir Israel <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ** > > Hi there,**** > > ** ** > > I just wanted to clarify if you’re objection is to **at**tempts **at**assessing ‘real non-commercial’ in general, or to specific line-drawing > with respect to one applic**at**ion (Olympic committee). If the objective > is to ensure true represent**at**ion of non-commercial interests, legal > (or .org) non-profit st**at**us is not enough, I think. It would be far > too easy to game, as any commercial interest can quite easily set up a > non-profit wing. In fact, it’s fairly common practice for industry or > business groups to set up non-profits precisely for the purpose of > advancing commercial interests. I can think of many examples.**** > > The legal criteria for ‘non-profit’ rel**at**e to financial structuring, > not to ‘interests advanced’. There do not appear to be any requirements for > .org registr**at**ion. Given this, I think it is incumbent upon NCSG to > do some sort of assessment to ensure th**at** it remains represent**at**ive > of non-commercial interests.**** > > ** ** > > Best,**** > > Tamir**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of > *Alain Berranger > *Sent:* November 13, 2011 12:23 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Question about NCUC faq rel**at**ing to membership**** > > ** ** > > Meanwhile, I think we can only be taken seriously inside and outside ICANN > and do meaningful work, if we have hundred more if not thousands of NGO/NFP > members... so arguing about this NGO or this NFP being a "real > non-commercial" seems counterproductive to me!... You will surely agree > with me th**at** academics support evidence-based decisions and the > definition of an NGO/NFP is not rocket science neither...**** > > ** ** > -- Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 Skype: alain.berranger