Thanks Bill, +1 on your first proposal! Alan On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:13 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi > It seems we're talking about several different rationales/models for the > possible creation of an NCUC listserv, each of which has different > implications. > One, which appeals to me, would be a list for discussing any purely internal > process stuff. So discussions (and the occasional disagreements) about how > the constituency organizes its affairs, e.g. elections, filling slots on SG > bodies or GNSO working groups, and so on, as well as any announcements from > the constituency leadership, would go to this list. Discussions of > substantive issues related to GNSO or Internet governance more generally > would remain on the SG list, since these really should be of interest to > both constituencies' members. > A second, which Avri and Joly are suggesting, would be a list solely for > announcements and administrative messages from the constituency leadership. > Personally, I'm not sure I see how much this would help, since a) it's not > obvious that there's going to be a need for so many such one-way messages to > justify a separate list, and b) this would not address the sort of > complaints made by Alain about messages pertaining to NCUC laundry, dirty or > otherwise. > A third, which if I understand her correctly Judy Branzelle is suggesting, > would be a list that hosts the bulk of discussions both substantive and > process, on the grounds that there's just too much mail to read. This I > have even more difficulty with than the second. While I can understand NPOC > members not wanting to read NCUC internal process debates (any more than > NCUC members want to read NPOC internal process debates), now that the > chartering and reorganization are done, most of our traffic should normally > be on substantive issues, as it was before we had to deal with the > institutional tumult. I would think that anyone who's made the commitment to > get involved in GNSO/ICANN, or at least to keep an eye on developments > therein even if they can't consistently participate, should want to be > connected to the substantive discussions. Moving these into an NCUC-only > space would impede collective awareness of the issues and make coordination > on them more difficult. A rump SG list that doesn't host these probably > would have relatively little traffic or value. > Just my view. What do others think? > Bill > On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > > I'd say yes to both. > > j > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> The other possibility, it the NCSG leadership is willing to countenance >> another list, which in the past they weren't, they could establish a NCSG >> announce list that our leaders could us for informational and transparency >> purposes. >> >> Or maybe there could be both a NCSG and a NCUC announce-only list for our >> leaders to use for announcements and transparency when they are acting in >> the best interests of the membership of the respective organizations. >> >> avri >> >> On 17 Nov 2011, at 15:00, Joly MacFie wrote: >> >> > My 2c. >> > >> > I believe there should at least be a NCUC-MEMBERS (or suitable >> > equivalent) list, announce-only, for announcements and admin - then people >> > who might otherwise be ignoring the general to-and-fro of NCSG-discuss can >> > set their filters so as to get important notices. >> > >> > j >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > --------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast >> > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com >> > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com >> > VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > - > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com > VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > -- Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 Skype: alain.berranger