Their elephant shooting incident in Zim and "feeding to Africans" video left a very sour taste in our mouths. I never want *anything* Go Daddy myself. On 12/26/11, David Cake <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I'm with Avri and Dan. It is not so much the single SOPA issue, as an > oppportunity for people to notice that there are many reasons to dislike Go > Daddy, and they are not on our side. I stopped using GoDaddy over the domain > takedowns issue in 2007, have seen no reasons to change my mind (and several > confirmations) since. > > And to make it a little personal - NCSG, thanks to the actions of its > leadership, sponsors an orphaned baby elephant. Go Daddy leadership creates > orphaned baby elephants. Surely, if there is one registrar we can feel some > antipathy towards, it's GoDaddy. > > Regards > > David > > On 26/12/2011, at 6:03 AM, Dan Krimm wrote: > >> As Tara and Avri have pointed out, the recant is more PR than procedurally >> substantive. They're playing politics here, not changing policy, >> evidently. >> >> For my part, I've never used them, but ever since Fyodor Vaskovich (Nmap, >> insecure.com, seclists.org) had a very bad experience with an unwarranted >> full-domain takedown back in 2007, I've distrusted them and periodically >> they seem to run into additional thoughtlessness, reinforcing this >> reputation rather than ameliorating it. >> >> Their investment in edgy branding is all about a constructed image, not >> related to function or policy -- designed to get attention (of customers >> who don't know any better -- in terms of economic theory, their >> advertising >> does nothing to reduce "information asymmetry" in the market), not to do >> the right thing. Different registrars are not basically all the same like >> cola drinks, but GoDaddy is effectively encouraging consumers not to do >> due >> diligence in choosing them ("nothing to see here, just move along ... hey, >> look over there: a wardrobe malfunction"). >> >> My understanding is that they had a seat at the table in negotiating terms >> of SOPA, and from the looks of it they mainly want to be "a player" rather >> than specifically being responsive to customers. My personal opinion is >> that they are trying to play it both ways with conciliatory rhetoric >> without really changing the substance of their position. If they can >> finesse a lot of customers back by saying "I'm sorry, trust me now" >> without >> having to actually change their position in the policy-making process >> itself, then their business stays intact and they can have their cake and >> eat it too. >> >> In short, they treat their customers like suckers (and in fact, like P.T. >> Barnum, they seem to be aiming specifically for suckers as a marketing >> strategy -- not that all of their customers actually *are* suckers, of >> course, but the corporate attitude is pretty clear). >> >> I would never consider using them, regardless of what they claim to say >> about their positions on such policy matters. Their brand in my book >> remains the one they purchased from Fyodor this past summer in order to >> get >> it off the radar: NoDaddy. >> >> Dan >> >> >> -- >> Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the author alone and >> do >> not necessarily reflect any position of the author's employer. >> >> >> >> At 11:34 AM -0500 12/25/11, Timothe Litt wrote: >>>>> Seems like I good idea. I'll move mine to tucows. >>> >>> I happen to use GODADDY, though I'm not a defender. In fact, I don't >>> like a >>> lot of their policies nor am I sanguine about reports of how they have >>> been >>> enforced. But they did support DNSSEC when my previous registrar did not >>> (and still does not). >>> >>> I don't follow the logic of moving your business at this point. They >>> took >>> an unacceptable position on SOPA; many customers punished them by taking >>> their business elsewhere. GD responded by dropping their advocacy for >>> the >>> unacceptable position. >>> >>> So now you (and according to web postings, others) still want to move >>> more >>> business elsewhere? Others report receiving "please come back" calls, >>> and >>> responding "no". Shouldn't you be finding a way to reward their change? >>> >>> Even if you want a stronger anti-SOPA position from them, it seems >>> illogical >>> to send the message that changing their position doesn't change their >>> customers' behavior. >>> >>> If I were on the receiving end, I might decide that since changing my >>> position didn't placate my customers, there's no point in listening to >>> them. >>> >>> I think that if we want to be effective advocates, we need to be careful >>> about how and when we protest. Sometimes it can be hard to take "yes" >>> for >>> an answer... >>> >>> I'd encourage you to be clear about what more you want from GD if you >>> pursue >>> moving your business. I'm not sure that reflexively going with the >>> (protest) crowd is the right move. >>> >>> Of course, it's your call. But that's my 3 cents. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This communication may not represent my employer's views, >>> if any, on the matters discussed. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >>> Adam >>> Peake >>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:07 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] SOPA and GoDaddy >>> >>> GoDaddy supported SOPA and then it didn't, but: "21,000 domains transfer >>> out of Go Daddy in 1 day" >>> <http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57348183-93/21000-domains-transfer-out-of- >>> go-daddy-in-1-day/> >>> >>> >>> Seems like I good idea. I'll move mine to tucows. >>> >>> Adam >