I'll third this (and did laughed out loud at Joly's nudge.) And at the risk of appearing to flip-flop, I agree with William on the plurality of acceptable ways to liaise and their dependance on context. OTOH, i felt more than comfortable arguing with Evan, thereby understanding ALAC's set of positions. Nicolas On 13/12/2011 9:05 AM, nhklein wrote: > Yes, Avri, do it - I "second" Joly and Bill. > > > Norbert > > > On 12/13/2011 08:59 PM, William Drake wrote: >> Hi Avri >> >> On Dec 13, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >>> Hi Joly, >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> I can tell that my email on liaisons was not well received by you. >>> My apologies. >> I admit that I was surprised you seemed to be going out of your way >> to say I was doing the liaison job wrong, which seemed especially odd >> at a moment when the type of engagement you appeared to be advocating >> is manifestly not in the reverse here. But I was not offended or >> whatever. My reply simply said this why I did x rather than y. I >> don't think y would have been well received in ALAC given the >> difficult history and relationships, whereas x helped a little to >> calm things down and make further communication possible. That to me >> seems like useful liaising, going into their house and breaking stuff >> does not. So it's just a definitional/ tactical disagreement, not a >> big deal. >>> As for your suggestion, I have already taken on enough ICANN tasks >>> to keep me quite busy. More then that, though, I do not beleive my >>> viewpoints are in the mainstream of NCUC at this point and may not >>> even represent the mainstream of NCSG members, so would not see >>> myself as being a good representative of the NCSG at this point in >>> its and my lifecycle. I think it is important for a group to have a >>> liaison who is comfortable that she is in the mainstream of the >>> organization she is representing. >> I don't agree that your views are not in the mainstream, and I >> suspect quite a lot of people would be happy to have you serve as >> liaison to CSG, where a more assertive model of engagement would be >> entirely justified and necessary. >>> But thanks for thinking of me. I am sure the CSG would have been' >>> thrilled' to have me as a liaison. It might have even been enough >>> to bring them together. if I remember correctly I have been a >>> unifying, albeit external, influence for the CSG in recent history. >> See, it'd be a win win all around! >>> I would have answered a few of your other points, but it was just >>> too caustic a note for me to know how to approach it. Sorry I >>> disagreed. >>> Nothing wrong with disagreeing and didn't mean to sound caustic if I >>> did. Surprise and mild annoyance can seep into words more than >>> intended. >>> >>> Please reconsider the CSG thing, I think you'd be perfect… >>> >>> Bill >>> avri >>> >>> On 13 Dec 2011, at 05:11, Joly MacFie wrote: >>>> Do it, Avri :) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:31 AM, William >>>> Drake<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> Hi Avri >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> I have a concrete suggestion if you'd like a role that goes beyond >>>> telling others how they should do their jobs. We clearly need a >>>> liaison to the CSG. Relations there have deteriorated rather >>>> badly, as will be on display in Technicolor in the Council >>>> discussion of the Outreach Task Force fiasco. I would happily >>>> nominate you to serve as our liaison. Since CSG and ALAC have >>>> similar positions on some items we care about, e.g. WHOIS, IPR, >>>> LEA, etc., there would be abundant opportunity to get in there and >>>> throw all the bombs you like. Plus, CSG is riven with factionalism >>>> so you'd be well positioned to play one group off another by saying >>>> we support you and not you, etc. So you could do the job precisely >>>> as you think it should be done. Would you accept this nomination? >>>> If so I can make it on the tonight's call. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> -- >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast >>>> WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com >>>> http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com >>>> VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - > >