+1 On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:04 AM, nhklein <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > +1 > > Norbert Klein > Phnom Penh/Cambodia > > > On 01/22/2012 01:50 AM, Kathy Kleiman wrote: > >> All, >> I think this is a very dangerous slippery slope. Natural persons deserve >> privacy, yes, and that completely consistent with the EU Data Protection >> Directive. But in the US and other places around the world Organizations >> deserve privacy protection too. If we give this up now, we will never get >> it back. >> >> I strongly agree with Avri that the organizations that protect natural >> persons are important, and so too are the organizations that deal with >> political freedoms, religious freedoms, political minorities, religious >> minorities, and even organizations who are parents organizing baseball >> teams, soccer teams and home-schooling groups. Organizations are the >> **perfect example** of what a Noncommercial Message does **not need to be >> tied into An Physical Address in a Globally Available Database.** >> >> What law enforcement really cares about is using the Whois to track down >> those who do e-commerce deals and then cheat someone. That's fair, and I >> and others are working on ways to help them with very narrowly-tailored >> policies. But that does not mean that we give up the Privacy of those >> engaged in Noncommercial Conduct or simply ordinary conduct (and in the US, >> that includes Organizations engaged in an array of protected speech -- >> note: we had a case where law enforcement wanted all the members of an >> NAACP branch, "a civil rights organization for ethnic minorities in the >> united States," and the answer was "no" on privacy grounds - organizations >> have rights of privacy and speakers of all types, including those banded >> together in organizations have privacy in their contentious, minority >> speech.) >> >> Please know: that there is an ongoing move in the gTLDs to eliminate >> proxy and privacy services, and if they prevail (now or 10 years from now), >> we will be left with only the slim protections, if any, in the ICANN Whois >> database. So yes, if .CAT (Catalonia, Spain) wants privacy for its >> individuals, that's great. But it sets a precedent for all gTLDs, and in >> that precedent, we need all Organizations not actively engaged in >> e-commerce protected too. >> >> Big sigh, as that is a lot to talk about. I have lived Whois policies for >> the last year as Vice-Chair of the Whois Review Team, and for 10 years >> before that as one of the diligent NCUC reps on Whois Task Forces >> (including Milton, Wendy, Robin). >> >> As a policy matter, I would ask that our NCUC leaders strongly urge .CAT >> to modify its proposal to offer privacy protection for all noncommercial >> organizations that request it, too, as a condition of our support. >> >> Best, Kathy (Kleiman) >> Co-Founder, NCUC >> Vice-Chair, Whois Review Team >> >> >> Hi, >>> >>> I agree, but I wonder whether it is worth suggesting something that >>> goes one step further, the protection of some legal persons (mostly NGO and >>> other civil society orgs) whose day to day operations are concerned with >>> protecting natural persons facing a variety of physical threats. >>> >>> So, I suggest we support, but say it does not go far enough. >>> >>> (have not read it yet, going on your abstract - if they do have such an >>> exception - i support it all the way) >>> >>> avri >>> >>> On 21 Jan 2012, at 11:50, Wendy Seltzer wrote: >>> >>> .CAT proposes to revise its Registry agreement to support withholding of >>>> some WHOIS data by individuals who opt out. It will not offer this >>>> opt-out to legal persons. >>>> >>>> I propose that NCSG support this amendment, with a simple: "NCSG >>>> supports the availability of WHOIS privacy options for natural persons. >>>> Accordingly, we support puntCAT's proposed amendment." >>>> >>>> --Wendy >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: [council] .CAT WHOIS Proposed Changes - call for public >>>> comments >>>> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:08:05 -0800 >>>> From: Glen de Saint Géry<[log in to unmask]> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]<council**@gnso.icann.org<[log in to unmask]> >>>> > >>>> >>>> http://www.icann.org/en/**announcements/announcement-**20jan12-en.htm<http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20jan12-en.htm> >>>> .CAT WHOIS Proposed Changes >>>> >>>> Forum Announcement: Comment Period Opens on Date: 20 January2012 >>>> >>>> Categories/Tags: Contracted Party Agreements >>>> >>>> Purpose (Brief): >>>> >>>> ICANN is opening today the public comment period for the Fundacio >>>> puntCAT's, request to change its Whois according to EU data protection >>>> legislation. The public comment period will be closed on 3 March 2012. >>>> >>>> The .cat registry, submitted a Registry Service Evaluation Process >>>> (RSEP) on August 2011. >>>> >>>> At this time, ICANN has conducted a preliminary review in accordance >>>> with the Registry Services Evaluation Policy and process set forth at >>>> http://www.icann.org/**registries/rsep/rsep.html<http://www.icann.org/registries/rsep/rsep.html>. >>>> ICANN's preliminary >>>> review (based on the information provided) did not identify any >>>> significant competition, security, or stability issues. >>>> >>>> The implementation of the request requires an amendment to the .cat >>>> Registry Agreement signed 23 September 2005. This public forum requests >>>> comments regarding the proposed amendment. >>>> Public Comment Box Link: >>>> http://www.icann.org/en/**public-comment/cat-whois-** >>>> changes-18jan12-en.htm<http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/cat-whois-changes-18jan12-en.htm> >>>> >>>> Glen de Saint Géry >>>> GNSO Secretariat >>>> [log in to unmask]**org <[log in to unmask]> >>>> <mailto:gnso.secretariat@**gnso.icann.org<[log in to unmask]> >>>> > >>>> http://gnso.icann.org >>>> >>>> >> >> > > -- > In April 2011, I started a new blog: > > ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia > http://www.thinking21.org/ > > continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia. > This is my latest posting: > > On Law Enforcement (8 January 2012) > http://www.thinking21.org/?p=**682 <http://www.thinking21.org/?p=682> > > > Norbert Klein > [log in to unmask] > Phnom Penh / Cambodia >