Indeed. I also find this constructive. For all anglophones out there not familiar with Quebec expressions: "dialogue de sourd" means 'deaf-men dialogue' ==> "talking past each other". We certainly don't want that, and Alain's contribution is a good contribution towards not getting that. I will not be there, but if I would have, I would have like to (have beers with y'all, and) give the chance to the RC/RC people to make their case. Nicolas On 05/03/2012 11:36 AM, Michael Carson wrote: > Well stated Alain! We support your approach to this matter. > > Michael Carson > > YMCA of the USA > > NPOC Member > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Alain Berranger" <[log in to unmask]> > *To: *[log in to unmask] > *Sent: *Monday, March 5, 2012 9:51:05 AM > *Subject: *Re: IOC/Red Cross public comments period > > /KK said: May I also add that I hope we get (to) develop a common NCSG > policy on this issue./ > > Indeed a desirable outcome - this is my personal view as are what > follows. Before we get to a different outcome than what we currently > have, we have to turn a lot of pages on both sides of the argument, > actually forget about the mud-slinging and take a constructive open > tone from now on if at all possible. I believe than cheap shots at > ICANN and the RC/IOC are not the way to win arguments and actually > make things worse. It is just divisive and forces all to retrench on > fixed positions and perpetrate "dialogue de sourds". NCSG needs to > improve its image within ICANN. > > A common NSCG Policy does not mean consensus of course - it does mean > that real debate occured and all had an opportunity to speak. How > realistic is this desirable outcome and, if it is, how do we achieve it? > > If we cannot get full consensus (likely), what is the next best > outcome for the SG to seek? That's what I would like to contribute > towards in San José... although I recognize that it takes years to go > up the ICANN learning curve and that my expectation may not be realistic. > > So, it all starts in San José where the RC movement is sending 3 NPOC > members from Washington and Geneva. They must feel welcome in order to > dialogue - rather than feel rotten tomatoes will be thrown at them > during the entire meeting. Even if it seems a majority of the NCSG > members expressing themselves disagree with their current position. > > So we will have an opportunity to engage F2F with these NPOC members - > understand them better and explain NCUC's position to them. Will it be > the last opportunity to do so? Will it be a tigers' den? a tribunal > even? or a mature exchange where all feel comfortable to bring forth > their principles, arguments, concerns and constraints? I hope the latter. > > By being there as NPOC members, the RC representatives can /" > // ...explain why existing protections in new gtld policy are > insufficient to protect their interests"/ as the NCSG Chair suggest. I > would add, it is also the opportunity for NCUC to explain why they > feel that existing protections in the new gTLD policy are sufficient > to protect their interests. > > I will make the point about the principle of being "inside the NCSG > tent" is best for all. I do not know if the IOC will have > representation in San José - after all NCSG-EC has refused membership. > NPOC was favorable in welcoming IOC in its membership - we take the > inclusive route but do not intend to reopen that discussion, since my > demonstration that national IOC organizations are non-commercial was > not recognized as valid (we did agree, I recall, that Olympic Games > Organization Committees - like the London one currently - are > commercial). The point I want to make is that, with such a position, > we do not have the opportunity to engage the IOC reps F2F inside NCSG > like we have with the RC. > > I can assure you that all NPOC members present in San José have been > convinced to be present because "...it is better to advocate for ICANN > policy from within..." I recognize that this has not been the case. > > I repeat that the above is my personal opinion, that my intention is > not to reopen debate on membership for IOC, but to create the > conditions in San José for a real discussion and to come up with the > NCSG statement we can realistically hope for. > > Cheers, Alain > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Konstantinos Komaitis > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > May I also add that I hope we get develop a common NCSG policy on > this issue. > > Cheers > > KK > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> > Reply-To: Konstantinos Komaitis <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:49:20 +0000 > To: "[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>" > <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> > Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] IOC/Red Cross public comments period > > Dear all, > > The public comments period concerning the special protection for > the Red Cross and Olympic terms has now opened and can be accessed > through > http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/ioc-rcrc-proposal-02mar12-en.htm > > As you know this is an issue which has raised and continues to > raise significant issues relating to transparency, > multistakeholder input , the role of the GAC and its relationship > with the GNSO as well as issues relating to the expansion of > existing rights to the potential detriment of other rights holders. > > May I request that everybody who has commented, and everyone who > wanted to comment, to please do so? The timeframe is considerably > strict, but at some point there was even a suggestion to skip it! > > Cheers > > Konstantinos > > > > > -- > Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA > Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca > <http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> > Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, > www.schulich.yorku.ca <http://www.schulich.yorku.ca/> > Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, > www.gkpfoundation.org <http://www.gkpfoundation.org/> > NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org > <http://www.chasquinet.org/> > interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ > O:+1 514 484 7824 <tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824>; M:+1 514 704 7824 > <tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824> > Skype: alain.berranger >