Carlos, thanks for the clarification about Portugal. Alain On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Alain, I am not sure Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC's. Portugal's > is quite detailed and treats separately the actual case of IOC and RC, and > the proposal to embed in the rules the treatment of these cases based on > the characteristics of well defined types of organizations instead of going > on a case by case basis. > > I will look for the transcript. > > --c.a. > > > On 03/13/2012 02:06 AM, Alain Berranger wrote: > >> Robin, >> >> Thanks for the clarification and the sense of direction the NCSG needs to >> take. It is interesting that Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC. I >> think we need to engage on substantive ideas on how to go forward. The >> UN+9/10 may just be a acceptable outcome down the road... we just don't >> know. It would be interesting to dig into the Portugal proposal. >> >> Alain >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robin Gross<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> I have to disagree, Adam. We need the community to engage in this issue >>> very much. This proposal is a not a final text, but a starting point to >>> try to reach a compromise. If it is "too late" for the community to >>> engage, it is because the RC/IOC came so late in the game. I don't >>> believe >>> the bottom-up policy development process should be shoved aside because >>> of >>> AC/IOC's late request. >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >>> >>> Alain, hi. >>>> >>>> Suggest it's a little late to be recommending such a fundamental >>>> change to the applicant proces. Not going to fly. So let's not waste >>>> our time on it. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> Adam Peake >>>> GLOCOM Tokyo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Alain Berranger >>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear NCSG Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> FYI >>>>> >>>>> Alain >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Jean-Louis Ecochard<[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection >>>>> To: Alain Berranger<alain.berranger@**gmail.com<[log in to unmask]>>, >>>>> "[log in to unmask]" >>>>> <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Alain, >>>>> >>>>> Merci de votre proposition. >>>>> >>>>> One of the prime concern is the conversion of a known NGO domain name >>>>> >>>> into a >>> >>>> gTLD. >>>>> This is because a domain name is an NGO brand on the internet. >>>>> We also know that words like relief, cancer, heart, peace, nature, etc. >>>>> cannot receive trademark protection yet they represent essential >>>>> >>>> internet >>> >>>> brands of the NGOs they represent. >>>>> I believe ANY NGO with a strong internet brand presence would find it >>>>> disastrous to see their domain name converted into a gTLD (e.g. In our >>>>> >>>> case >>> >>>> of nature.org seeing a .nature gTLD). >>>>> >>>>> Henceforth I recommend we propose protection of any .org or >>>>> >>>> .org.country >>> >>>> domain name in active use by "Any organization operating globally in the >>>>> public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in the >>>>> >>>> country >>> >>>> where its Headquarters are located, and its members." as of January 1 >>>>> >>>> 2012. >>> >>>> This means that ICANN would prohibit the creation of a gTLD that is the >>>>> >>>> same >>> >>>> as a domain name of an NGO in use 1/1/12 and active. >>>>> >>>>> This ensures protection of the capital invested by NGOs on their brand >>>>> presence without making it too complicated for ICANN to administer >>>>> (I.e. >>>>> Check for .org existence, check if own by NGO). >>>>> >>>>> I welcome thoughts and discussions on this extension of Alain's >>>>> >>>> suggestion. >>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> JL >>>>> >>>>> be green – read on the screen >>>>> -- >>>>> Jean-Louis Écochard >>>>> Vice President and Chief Information Officer >>>>> >>>>> The Nature Conservancy >>>>> New Zealand Office >>>>> 126D Apotu Road, RD1 >>>>> Whangarei 0185 >>>>> New Zealand >>>>> >>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>> +1.703.212.3999 (New Zealand Office US dial) >>>>> +64.9.974.8195 (New Zealand Office) >>>>> +1.703.841.5342 (Arlington World Office Phone) >>>>> +1.703.273.0713 (Arlington World Office Fax) >>>>> +1.703.841.5304 (Executive Assistant, Jennifer Manaloto) >>>>> >>>>> Skype jecochard >>>>> IM (MSN) [log in to unmask], (Yahoo& AIM) [log in to unmask] >>>>> >>>>> Facebook jecochard >>>>> Twitter @jecochard >>>>> LinkedIn http://nz.linkedin.com/in/**jecochard<http://nz.linkedin.com/in/jecochard> >>>>> >>>>> The Nature Conservancy www.nature.org >>>>> NetHope www.nethope.org >>>>> Conservation Commons www.conservationcommons.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "An individual without information can't take responsibility. An >>>>> >>>> individual >>> >>>> with information can't help but take responsibility." >>>>> - Jan Carlzon, former President and CEO of the Scandinavian Airlines >>>>> >>>> Group >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Alain Berranger >>>>> <[log in to unmask]<**mailto:[log in to unmask]**com<[log in to unmask]> >>>>> >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:06:11 -0400 >>>>> To:<[log in to unmask]<**mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>>> Subject: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection >>>>> >>>>> Dear NPOC members: >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from San José. As Acting Vice Chair, I would like to consult >>>>> >>>> you >>> >>>> on an important issue: >>>>> >>>>> Context: Given the tension here on the IOC and Red Cross exemption >>>>> >>>> (some of >>> >>>> us call it protection) and the Drafting Committee Chair report to GNSO >>>>> >>>> this >>> >>>> morning - we find it wise, for the benefit of our current and future >>>>> >>>> NPOC >>> >>>> members, as well as the ICANN Community at large, that NPOC promotes and >>>>> supports a) the proposal from the WG and b), in a broader manner, the >>>>> generic extension of this protection based on avoiding the setting of a >>>>> precedent, and based on objective and independantly verifiable criteria >>>>> >>>> to >>> >>>> define who or who does not qualify: >>>>> >>>>> Proposition: >>>>> Would receive new gTLD protection: "Any organization operating globally >>>>> >>>> in >>> >>>> the public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in the >>>>> country where its Headquarters are located, and its members." >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your attention to this important matter. Please respond >>>>> by >>>>> Tuesday 13 March 17:00 San José time. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Alain Berranger >>>>> -- >>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA >>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, >>>>> http://www.ceci.ca< >>>>> >>>> http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-**ceci/team/board-of-directors/<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> >>> > >>> >>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, >>>>> www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://**www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca> >>>>> > >>>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, >>>>> www.gkpfoundation.org<http://**www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org> >>>>> > >>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, >>>>> www.chasquinet.org<http://www.**chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org> >>>>> > >>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, >>>>> http://npoc.org/ >>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 >>>>> Skype: alain.berranger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA >>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca >>>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, >>>>> >>>> www.schulich.yorku.ca >>> >>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org >>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org >>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, >>>>> http://npoc.org/ >>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 >>>>> Skype: alain.berranger >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 Skype: alain.berranger