Yes, I was speaking in general of Portugal's support for the idea that there were UN system and other organizations that merited the same treatment. This is what I associated to the NPOC proposal. Incidentally, like NPOC they support approving further IOC/RC special treatment as proposed in the various flavors of motion currently being discussed. I make no claim that Portugal and I support the same end result at this meeting. It is only in the fourth part of my proposed response that there its any similarity with my proposal: >Remember IOC & RC are already protected. Maximally protected. They do >not need further protection. > >Defer the motion because it is illegitimate for the g-council to vote >before the end of a comment period. > >Amend the motion to indicate that a change can only occur if the Board >agrees to restart the application clock. To make such a substantive >change to an ongoing process at this late date is fundamentally unfair >to applicants, especially noncommercial applicants or community >applicants. > >Support the idea brought up by both Portugal and NPOC that giving >preferential treatment to these two without full consideration being >given to the UN + 9 is prejudicial. If this its a serious concern for >ICANN and the GNSO, then initiate a PDP process on reserved names. > Avri Alain Berranger <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Carlos, thanks for the clarification about Portugal. > >Alain > > >On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> >wrote: > >> Alain, I am not sure Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC's. >Portugal's >> is quite detailed and treats separately the actual case of IOC and >RC, and >> the proposal to embed in the rules the treatment of these cases based >on >> the characteristics of well defined types of organizations instead of >going >> on a case by case basis. >> >> I will look for the transcript. >> >> --c.a. >> >> >> On 03/13/2012 02:06 AM, Alain Berranger wrote: >> >>> Robin, >>> >>> Thanks for the clarification and the sense of direction the NCSG >needs to >>> take. It is interesting that Portugal made the same proposal as >NPOC. I >>> think we need to engage on substantive ideas on how to go forward. >The >>> UN+9/10 may just be a acceptable outcome down the road... we just >don't >>> know. It would be interesting to dig into the Portugal proposal. >>> >>> Alain >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robin Gross<[log in to unmask]> >wrote: >>> >>> I have to disagree, Adam. We need the community to engage in this >issue >>>> very much. This proposal is a not a final text, but a starting >point to >>>> try to reach a compromise. If it is "too late" for the community >to >>>> engage, it is because the RC/IOC came so late in the game. I don't >>>> believe >>>> the bottom-up policy development process should be shoved aside >because >>>> of >>>> AC/IOC's late request. >>>> >>>> Robin >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >>>> >>>> Alain, hi. >>>>> >>>>> Suggest it's a little late to be recommending such a fundamental >>>>> change to the applicant proces. Not going to fly. So let's not >waste >>>>> our time on it. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> Adam Peake >>>>> GLOCOM Tokyo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Alain Berranger >>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear NCSG Colleagues, >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI >>>>>> >>>>>> Alain >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: Jean-Louis Ecochard<[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection >>>>>> To: Alain >Berranger<alain.berranger@**gmail.com<[log in to unmask]>>, >>>>>> "[log in to unmask]" >>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alain, >>>>>> >>>>>> Merci de votre proposition. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the prime concern is the conversion of a known NGO domain >name >>>>>> >>>>> into a >>>> >>>>> gTLD. >>>>>> This is because a domain name is an NGO brand on the internet. >>>>>> We also know that words like relief, cancer, heart, peace, >nature, etc. >>>>>> cannot receive trademark protection yet they represent essential >>>>>> >>>>> internet >>>> >>>>> brands of the NGOs they represent. >>>>>> I believe ANY NGO with a strong internet brand presence would >find it >>>>>> disastrous to see their domain name converted into a gTLD (e.g. >In our >>>>>> >>>>> case >>>> >>>>> of nature.org seeing a .nature gTLD). >>>>>> >>>>>> Henceforth I recommend we propose protection of any .org or >>>>>> >>>>> .org.country >>>> >>>>> domain name in active use by "Any organization operating globally >in the >>>>>> public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in >the >>>>>> >>>>> country >>>> >>>>> where its Headquarters are located, and its members." as of >January 1 >>>>>> >>>>> 2012. >>>> >>>>> This means that ICANN would prohibit the creation of a gTLD that >is the >>>>>> >>>>> same >>>> >>>>> as a domain name of an NGO in use 1/1/12 and active. >>>>>> >>>>>> This ensures protection of the capital invested by NGOs on their >brand >>>>>> presence without making it too complicated for ICANN to >administer >>>>>> (I.e. >>>>>> Check for .org existence, check if own by NGO). >>>>>> >>>>>> I welcome thoughts and discussions on this extension of Alain's >>>>>> >>>>> suggestion. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> JL >>>>>> >>>>>> be green – read on the screen >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jean-Louis Écochard >>>>>> Vice President and Chief Information Officer >>>>>> >>>>>> The Nature Conservancy >>>>>> New Zealand Office >>>>>> 126D Apotu Road, RD1 >>>>>> Whangarei 0185 >>>>>> New Zealand >>>>>> >>>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>>> +1.703.212.3999 (New Zealand Office US dial) >>>>>> +64.9.974.8195 (New Zealand Office) >>>>>> +1.703.841.5342 (Arlington World Office Phone) >>>>>> +1.703.273.0713 (Arlington World Office Fax) >>>>>> +1.703.841.5304 (Executive Assistant, Jennifer Manaloto) >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype jecochard >>>>>> IM (MSN) [log in to unmask], (Yahoo& AIM) [log in to unmask] >>>>>> >>>>>> Facebook jecochard >>>>>> Twitter @jecochard >>>>>> LinkedIn >http://nz.linkedin.com/in/**jecochard<http://nz.linkedin.com/in/jecochard> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Nature Conservancy www.nature.org >>>>>> NetHope www.nethope.org >>>>>> Conservation Commons www.conservationcommons.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "An individual without information can't take responsibility. An >>>>>> >>>>> individual >>>> >>>>> with information can't help but take responsibility." >>>>>> - Jan Carlzon, former President and CEO of the Scandinavian >Airlines >>>>>> >>>>> Group >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Alain Berranger >>>>>> ><[log in to unmask]<**mailto:[log in to unmask]**com<[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:06:11 -0400 >>>>>> To:<[log in to unmask]<**mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>>>> Subject: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear NPOC members: >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings from San José. As Acting Vice Chair, I would like to >consult >>>>>> >>>>> you >>>> >>>>> on an important issue: >>>>>> >>>>>> Context: Given the tension here on the IOC and Red Cross >exemption >>>>>> >>>>> (some of >>>> >>>>> us call it protection) and the Drafting Committee Chair report to >GNSO >>>>>> >>>>> this >>>> >>>>> morning - we find it wise, for the benefit of our current and >future >>>>>> >>>>> NPOC >>>> >>>>> members, as well as the ICANN Community at large, that NPOC >promotes and >>>>>> supports a) the proposal from the WG and b), in a broader manner, >the >>>>>> generic extension of this protection based on avoiding the >setting of a >>>>>> precedent, and based on objective and independantly verifiable >criteria >>>>>> >>>>> to >>>> >>>>> define who or who does not qualify: >>>>>> >>>>>> Proposition: >>>>>> Would receive new gTLD protection: "Any organization operating >globally >>>>>> >>>>> in >>>> >>>>> the public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality >in the >>>>>> country where its Headquarters are located, and its members." >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for your attention to this important matter. Please >respond >>>>>> by >>>>>> Tuesday 13 March 17:00 San José time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Alain Berranger >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA >>>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, >>>>>> http://www.ceci.ca< >>>>>> >>>>> >http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-**ceci/team/board-of-directors/<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, >>>>>> >www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://**www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca> >>>>>> > >>>>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, >>>>>> >www.gkpfoundation.org<http://**www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org> >>>>>> > >>>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, >>>>>> >www.chasquinet.org<http://www.**chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org> >>>>>> > >>>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, >>>>>> http://npoc.org/ >>>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 >>>>>> Skype: alain.berranger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA >>>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca >>>>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, >>>>>> >>>>> www.schulich.yorku.ca >>>> >>>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, >www.gkpfoundation.org >>>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org >>>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, >>>>>> http://npoc.org/ >>>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 >>>>>> Skype: alain.berranger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > >-- >Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA >Member, Board of Directors, CECI, >http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> >Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, >www.schulich.yorku.ca >Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org >NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org >interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ >O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 >Skype: alain.berranger