Yes, the issues report is now the priority so it seems wasteful to have the DT continue... Alain On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi, > > That is exactly the point some of us are making. > > Some disagree, e.g. Alan G. argued that a PDP could not complete in time > and thus this group needed to soldier on and fulfill its charter. So there > is a difference of opinion the issue of continuing. > > But then again the issue is wider than the IFRC and IOT at this point. > For example, one of the reasons put forward by the IFRC is that they do > not want to waste the contributions they get for doing their charitable > mission in the fight against mark transgressors - the URS and UDRP cost > money they would prefer to spend otherwise. I am assuming a lot of > charities could make a similar plea. So I think any solution by this > group will be flawed for many reasons ranging from procedure to fairness. > > In any case, it was pointed out that the g-council created the Discussion > Team and thus the g-council was the only entity that could tell them to > close up shop and put the energies (Staff as well as volunteer) into the > issues report and then the PDP, assuming the PDP will be approved, which > seems sort of inevitable to me. > > avri > > > > On 18 Apr 2012, at 15:22, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > On 18 April 2012 13:26, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > The group was chartered to also discuss second level protections for the > IOC and RC; it's not entirely clear that with the Board rejection of the > GNSO motion for *additional* protections the group still shouldn't be > discussing second level protections not premised on such additional > protections. > > > > > > If such an issue is still on the table, it should be in the form of a > proper PDP that can better incorporate input from all communities. > > > > This was a hastily-assembled reaction to a specific Board request. Its > core question has been asked and answered. > > > > The very fact that it's not a working group is only the most obvious > clue of this effort's ad-hoc nature. Since the Board has explicitly > rejected any wording changes to the AG, continued use of a Drafting Team > for further work is wholly inappropriate. > > > > FWIW, I support its dissolution. I am speaking here because the > differences in process enable different levels of engagement of non-GNSO > communities. > > > > - Evan > > > > > > In other words, it has not been disbanded by the GNSO Council or its > charter amended. > > > > I will try to get on the call since no one else seems to be able to, and > will stay on as long as I can. I'd be surprised if the Chair doesn't raise > the Board resolution or the recent GNSO motion that we proposed (and > succeeded in getting through) - he has already forwarded them to the > Drafting Team mailing list. I will ask the question if he does not. > > > > Cheers > > Mary > > > > > > Mary W S Wong > > Professor of Law > > Chair, Graduate IP Programs > > Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP > > UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW > > Two White Street > > Concord, NH 03301 > > USA > > Email: [log in to unmask] > > Phone: 1-603-513-5143 > > Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php > > Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network > (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 > > >>> > > From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Date: 4/18/2012 12:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [ntfy-gnso-iocrc-dt] REMINDER: Meeting > Invitation/GAC/GNSO issues related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) > & Red Cross (RC) names discussion group > > Yes, I agree that this group must be disbanded. It has become a runaway > train and the board has already rejected its recommendations. Do we need > to propose a motion in the GNSO to end the group? > > > > Thanks, > > Robin > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:58 AM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote: > > > > > Thanks Avri - I won't be attending either this call. Wolfgang is also > representing NCSG in this group but I am equally baffled as to why this > group continues to meet and discuss things that will end up becoming > policy. I think this needs to be challenged somehow! > > > > > > KK > > > > > > Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, > > > > > > Senior Lecturer, > > > Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses > > > Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law > > > University of Strathclyde, > > > The Law School, > > > Graham Hills building, > > > 50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA > > > UK > > > tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 > > > > http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765 > > > Selected publications: > http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038 > > > Website: www.komaitis.org > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of Avri Doria > > > Sent: Τετάρτη, 18 Απριλίου 2012 12:37 μμ > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [ntfy-gnso-iocrc-dt] REMINDER: Meeting > Invitation/GAC/GNSO issues related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) > & Red Cross (RC) names discussion group > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I assume KK is no attending as well given his hew role in life. > > > > > > Who else from NCSG has been attending. Will we have a voice at this > meeting? > > > > > > And now that there is an issues report request in the works, why is > this group still meeting? > > > > > > avri > > > > > > On 17 Apr 2012, at 23:56, Joy Liddicoat wrote: > > > > > >> Hi - FYI, but note that I am unable to make this call. > > >> Kind regards > > >> Joy > > >> > > >> > > >> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 3:59 a.m. > > >> To: [log in to unmask] > > >> Cc: [log in to unmask] > > >> Subject: [ntfy-gnso-iocrc-dt] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation/GAC/GNSO > issues related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) & Red Cross (RC) > names discussion group > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear All, > > >> > > >> The next call for the GAC/GNSO issues related to International > Olympic Committee (IOC) & Red Cross (RC) names discussion groupis scheduled > on Wednesday 18 April 2012 at 1800 UTC. > > >> > > >> 11:00 PDT, 14:00 EDT, 19:00 London, 20:00 CET > > >> > > >> Please be aware that some countries have now moved to Daylight Saving > time, not hesitate to follow the link below if you have any doubts: > > >> > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=IOCRC&iso=20120418T18&ah=1 > > >> > > >> > > >> The dial-in details are below. 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