Mary, I would favor an NCSG request for more detailed info and also a joint Cy Chairs' request. Does anyone know if there is Constituency Chairs email-list? Alain On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I agree with Avri. Hyperbole and accusations aside, this is something > that justifies a request for more detailed information rather than just > general updates. > > My suggestions: > > - Constituency chairs/EC may wish to consult each other as to whether to > put in joint request; > > - SG chair/EC could reach out to other GNSO SG chairs to find out if they > have asked and if not, whether they intend to do so; > > - we ask SSR Review Team if they plan to investigate or ask ICANN for a > more detailed explanation. > > Cheers > > Mary > > > Mary W S Wong > Professor of Law > Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP > Chair, Graduate IP Programs > UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH > 03301USAEmail: [log in to unmask]: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: > http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on > the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: > http://ssrn.com/author=437584 > As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the > University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New > Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all email addresses have changed > and now follow the convention: [log in to unmask] For more > information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit > law.unh.edu > > > >>> > > *From: * > > Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> > > *To:* > > <[log in to unmask]> > > *Date: * > > 4/19/2012 10:39 AM > > *Subject: * > > Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [] TAS Interruption - Update (17 April 2012) > > Hi > > > I would also add that we might want to raise our voice in a demand for > more information. > > Using my imagination as a once software engineer who spent years chasing > glitches, we called them bugs, i know how the tiniest little bug in the SW > can have a huge effect. And my imagination is running overtime based on my > own experience in small bugs with big effects. > > There is another assumption being made, that I ind problematic: that is > that it is the people who created the system that are the ones hunting and > auditing the glitch and its effects. Again if my experience is anything > to draw on, they have long since bought in an advanced group of specialist > hunters/fixers. I would be curious to know if that was the case. ICANN > has among its various contract crews some amazingly competent people, I > trust (and hope I am right) that they have made outreach to the appropriate > set of outside specialists. > > Besides, now that Rod has joined the glitch response team, as advertised > in a ICANN tweet, we now know that this is something of presidential > proportion. Hence there is most definitely something to be sen here. And > while I appreciate the daily messages telling us they are working on it and > everything will be ok, I would some real information. > > ICANN still has this notion that it needs to hold things close to the vest > in order to stay out of trouble. Years of trying to convince the > organization that real transparency is the best solution have not yet > really been groked, or become the world view of the organization, so this > is another opportunity for leading ICANN toward transparency . > > avri > > On 19 Apr 2012, at 09:55, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > > Hopefully... But is there a resistance in our community (NCSG) to > > discuss this? We should not speculate, we should move along, this is > > just a glitch, even Rolls Royce does dumb things etc, are indications I > > am wrong in trying to open up the debate? > > > > Avri rightly recognizes this is a major event, but that we should wait > > for more details. I am OK with this, but while waiting we do no harm in > > thinking of possible scenarios and consequences for which we will be > > called to position ourselves. > > > > --c.a. > > > > On 04/19/2012 10:28 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > >> Doesn't seem much point in speculating, blaming until the facts are > >> known. Perhaps it was pretty much unforeseeable, just bad luck (like > >> Airbus' wings crack, Rolls Royce engines blow up…) Or it might have > >> been the result of dumb decisions. I think given the money involved > >> --already in ICANN's account from applicants, the money applicants > >> have spent preparing, business plans, etc-- there won't be a cover-up. > >> Applicants will want answers and expect they'll nag until the answers > >> make sense (or they'll go to the courts.) And I'm anyway of the > >> happy-set who believes ICANN anyway wouldn't cover things up :-) > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Adam > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >>> With due respect for McTim's esprit de corps for what he dismisses as a > >>> technical problem, my main worry is the pile of legal cases Icann might > >>> have to confront because of this "simple glitch" (so simple, in fact, > >>> that has the entire organization running around for a week). > >>> > >>> fraternal regards > >>> > >>> --c.a. > >>> > >>> On 04/18/2012 05:15 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> And some of us have reflexive protective instinct that seems to > indicate no cIr manager can do wrong. > >>>> > >>>> At this point there most certainly is something to be seen here. > This was not a simple glitch that was fixed in a day. This is a major > event that is still ongoing with no end in sight. I do not beleive in > judging before the whole story is reveled, but do insist that the whole > story be revealed. > >>>> > >>>> avri > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 18 Apr 2012, at 16:02, McTim wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Do we actually know this? > >>>>> > >>>>> of course not, this list just has to reflexively kick ICANN in the > >>>>> 'nads when they are already on the ground....for me this whole TAS > >>>>> thing is mountain out of a molehill....nothing to see folks, kindly > >>>>> move along. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> McTim > >>>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > >>>>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > > > -- Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 Skype: alain.berranger