Hi Adam, Avri, Rafik, I think working on these issues together will see our two Constituencies develop some synergies... Alain On Wednesday, July 4, 2012, Rafik Dammak wrote: > Hi Avri, > > while we can continue the work about new gTLD program, we should also > cover another topic which is about having more registrars from developing > countries to serve users there. we had such discussion when we presented > the JAS 2nd milestone report last year and we had same comments again > during ICANN meeting in prague. there are some particularities and issues > like payments methods (yes credit card is not something common), pricing > etc which limit the access to domains to registrants > especially individuals from developing countries. new gTLD could fix some > problems with more community-based registries and benefiting the more > relaxed vertical integration rules, but ICANN missed such opportunity. > > I am also wondering if the new RAA with new provisions creates de facto > new economic and technical barriers to new entrants from developing > regions and only benefits to incumbents (what about competition and > anti-trust?) while possible provisions like validation and verification > won't encourage those incumbents registrars to operate in Africa for > example. For RAA negotiations, that can be another point to work on it in > addition to our concerns about privacy, FoE and anonymity. All these are > good to question the public interest task for ICANN and its role to > encourage real competition and diversity for the benefit of registrants > like non-commercial with more operators serving their communities. > I guess that we need on work on that, > and still work to be done for support applicant for second round if there > is, > > Best, > > Rafik Dammak > @rafik > "fight for the users" > > > > 2012/7/4 Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> > > Hi, > > This is something worth working on. > > While I was very much against working according to categories in this > round, it was largely because I thought the categories were something > emergent. I don't think we all could have agreed on the set categories > before. But now we can. Or at least can come close. > > I think that the developing region applications are obviously a category > that was not sufficiently included. > > As we start to think and plan for the next round, I think we could/should > consider limiting it to categories, i.a. such as developing regions. I > beleive remediating failures in diversity etc should be one of the primary > goals of the next round. I expect that this may be a controversial > perspective, perhaps even within NCSG, so it is going to take some > discussion on: > > - whether a next round should be constrained across some but not all > categories > - if so, which categories > > It might be good to start figuring out if we, as NCSG collectively, or > [NCUC, NPOC] separately, have viewpoints on such issues. > > avri > > PS: I love the way threads wander and morph in a living list. > > On 4 Jul 2012, at 09:15, Adam Peake wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Is Africa, really, part of ICANN? the 'reveal' showed that 99.99 per > cent of > >> new gTLDs were from outside Africa which only managed to submit a palty > 0.88 > >> per cent of the 1930 applications. As developed economies IP industry > and > >> brand owners entrench themselves deeper on ICANN, we're wondering, > what's > >> wrong with this model for Africa? > >> > > > > > > Alex, not just Africa, developing countries/region generally. Also > > equal lack of applicants from Latin America and Caribbean, and > > majority of Asia Pacific. > > <http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus> > > > > Plenty of applications from the Asia Pacific when taken across the > > whole region, but only from the developed markets (China and India in > > the ICT sector can be classed as developed.) > > > > Failure of outreach, or just a reflection of economics. NCSG should > > talk with the GAC about this. GAC's quite animated, complained to the > > board. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Alain Berranger < > [log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Avri, > >>> > >>> It is clear to me too that NCUC/pre NPOC NCSG is a community of some > kind > >>> - I just don't quite grasp its essence yet, but what is sure is that I > don't > >>> yet feel part of it. > >>> > >>> Looking back to Prague, at no times were any of the 5 NPOC members > there > >>> made to feel full members of that community. For instance, at your own > dot > >>> gay event at the sky bar, all NCUC members present were invited, but > not a > >>> single NPOC member was invited. When NCSG EC had informal gatherings, > never > >>> once were NPOC members included. That said, NPOC members there did not > lack > >>> social interaction with other Constituencies. > >>> > >>> Yes Avri, you and I agree on the need for an NCUC email list for the > NCUC > >>> community.. Keeping NCSG list for building the new NCSG community made > out > >>> of both NCUC and NPOC members. > >>> > >>> Alain > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Sorry to hear that. > >>>> It is part of what makes us a community instead of just a SG. > >>>> > >>>> Would have enjoyed hearing your voice as well. > >>>> Though I guess I just did. > >>>> > >>>> BTW: I still think we need an announce list of the news and only the > >>>> news for those members whole don't like all the touchy feely group, > aka > >>>> unprofessional, participation. I would like the NCSG EC to > reconsider its > >>>> decision from last year not to create such > > -- Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 Skype: alain.berranger