Regarding Carson's unprofessional overreaction to a list thread -- which involved a legitimate criticism of objectionable practices by the IOC --, I see discussion lists as conversations, not as ritual engagements. Just in case, I recall the link which motivated this discussion: http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/7212016/Stitch-up-for-Olympic-knitters --c.a. On 07/03/2012 07:23 PM, Tamir Israel wrote: > Speaking as someone who does not regularly comment here (but does regularly > follow discussions), I just wanted to say that I personally find discussions > here neither 'spammy' nor 'unprofessional'. > > I think it is perfectly acceptable for a group whose mandate is to represent > non-commercial interests to discuss what is arguably at least an incident of > misuse (or at the least over-reaching use) of trademark. The term 'bully' is > not, in my opinion, used lightly or frivolously in this context. > > Putting aside the actual legal merits of USOC's actual claim here for a second > and focusing on IP bullying more broadly as a commercial interest, we're > discussing scenarios where one party makes claims that are dubious on legal > grounds, but has succeeded purely on the basis that the threatened party lacks > the resources (or commercial motivation) to fight in court. While the knitting > scenario in particular did not involve the use of a domain name, this is > certainly a salient issue to ICANN and central to the UDRP, etc., so I'm not > sure how such discussions are out of place here. > > FYI -- I do find this list generates a lot of traffic. For what it's worth, I > personally use a custom filter that diverts all into one folder and check in > periodically so it does not interfere with my review of day to day emails. I've > done this for many lists I'm on, and it only takes a minute or two to set up. > > Best, > Tamir > > > -- > > Tamir Israel > Staff Lawyer > > Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic > University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law, CML Section > 57 Louis Pasteur Street > Ottawa, ON, K1N 6N5 > Tel: (613) 562-5800 ext. 2914 > Fax: (613) 562-5417 > > *Do you really need to print this email? / Est-ce nécessaire d’imprimer ce > courriel?* > > > > On 7/3/2012 5:53 PM, Michael Carson wrote: >> >> Thanks Milton for your email. One of the problems that I have with comments >> on this listserv is that a large number of them tend to be directed at >> corporations/companies (in this case, brand bullies as you call them). Yet >> individuals within the ICANN community (especially those will long ties and >> history) "appear" to collectively bully - in the name of protecting the >> Internet space - those (corporations/companies/brands) they disagree with. >> There's only a small group of individuals who regularly comment on the NCSG >> listserv. Do their opinions represent the majority? >> >> As you know the NSCG is comprised of individuals and in the YMCA's case an NFP >> who happens to have brand. While the NCUC and NPOC serve different interests, >> the "common" interests should be for all voices to be heard, included and >> valued with respect to Internet matters. >> >> DeeDee, constructive criticism and robust discussions are important and >> necessary. Immature comments are not professional; that's what I meant by >> unprofessional. >> >> Enough said by me, I'm on vacation and seek to enjoy the rest of it. Have a >> wonderful holiday. Regards, >> >> Michael Carson >> >> YMCA of the USA >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> *From: *"Milton L Mueller" <[log in to unmask]> >> *To: *[log in to unmask] >> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 3, 2012 4:18:59 PM >> *Subject: *Re: knitters needle >> >> I agree with DeeDee. The issue of brand-bullying by the Olympic committee is >> highly relevant to domain name policy. While some of the banter about knitting >> needles on airplanes might have been orthogonal to the main point, this will >> happen on any list that is actually alive. >> >> *From:*NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of >> *DeeDee Halleck >> >> The discussion of the knitters is not wasteful, though it is amusing! It is >> information that indicates the monopolistic commercial aggression of the >> Olympic Committee which should never get special privileges from ICANN or >> anybody! >> >