Dear Avri, Thks, I really appreciate you sharing the history and the background... As to the rudimentary and boring nature of npoc-voice, I pretty much agree... We have a community to build as we shift into a second generation of members and drivers... For occasional entertainment we go to NCSG-Discuss! I love how you manoeuvre between communities, affinity groups and friends! NCSG EC has now received a full account of pending and new NPOC membership applications. I will soon call for their approval. That will be an important step forward for both NPOC and NCSG. I look to your continued guidance and oversight in that matter. Cheers, Alain On Wednesday, July 4, 2012, Avri Doria wrote: > Dear Alain, > > I did not, and do not, argue for an NCUC list or for the NCSG Discuss > list to be used only for business. > > What I argue for is a NCSG news only list for those who find the NCSG > Discuss list's hurly burly a bit off-putting. Unlike some of my colleagues > I do not beleive we need to force people into the open marketplace of ideas > with all of its quirks and discomforts. I beleive participation in the > NCSG DIscuss list should be voluntary. And, therefore, beleive we need > another list the NCSG Chair and GNSO Secretariat can use for required > notifications. > > Personally I think NCSG Discuss is a great list, and the more people that > say something, the happier I am. > > I am ambivalent about NCUC and NPOC discuss lists being separate. I > periodically check out the NPOC list, and I have not felt envy at NCUC not > having such a list. > > As for the dotgay LLC party, it wasn't that I invited NCUC and NPOC, it > was that I invited a few friends. And they spread the word to others - > nothing to do with constituencies or SGs. In fact most of the gatherings > at ICANN are just groups of friends aggregating. I have noticed that NPOC > members do seem to have a affinity group mostly centered around the IPC and > others. I am happy for you all, we all need affinity groups to belong to. > Had I noticed people being all alone and forlorn, I am sure my caretaker > instincts would have kicked in and I would have tried to include them in > some activities. I just don't see that; since the beginning of NPOC, its > members have always seemed to have good relationship with various groups in > CSG, so I never really worried about it. If anything I might have been > somewhat envious of that, as CSG has never reached out to the NCUC in that > manner. I think in all my years at ICANN, even the 5 years when I was a > nomcom appointee, before I committed the sin of joining the NCUC (well > documented in the archives of the g-council), I have never once been > invited to an IPC event. I guess we just hang with different groups. > > Not that I am NCUC or NCSG social secretary, in fact that is a role I > would be terrible at. > > avri > > > On 4 Jul 2012, at 02:34, Alain Berranger wrote: > > > Hi Avri, > > > > It is clear to me too that NCUC/pre NPOC NCSG is a community of some > kind - I just don't quite grasp its essence yet, but what is sure is that I > don't yet feel part of it. > > > > Looking back to Prague, at no times were any of the 5 NPOC members > there made to feel full members of that community. For instance, at your > own dot gay event at the sky bar, all NCUC members present were invited, > but not a single NPOC member was invited. When NCSG EC had informal > gatherings, never once were NPOC members included. That said, NPOC members > there did not lack social interaction with other Constituencies. > > > > Yes Avri, you and I agree on the need for an NCUC email list for the > NCUC community.. Keeping NCSG list for building the new NCSG community made > out of both NCUC and NPOC members. > > > > Alain > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Sorry to hear that. > > It is part of what makes us a community instead of just a SG. > > > > Would have enjoyed hearing your voice as well. > > Though I guess I just did. > > > > BTW: I still think we need an announce list of the news and only the > news for those members whole don't like all the touchy feely group, aka > unprofessional, participation. I would like the NCSG EC to reconsider its > decision from last year not to create such a list. > > > > avri > > > > On 3 Jul 2012, at 11:13, Michael Carson wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Whoever is in charge of adding/removing email addresses to this > listserv, I am requesting that my email address be removed. > > > > > > This sort of exchange is fruitless, a waste of time and > unprofessional. This is not the first time I have received these types of > email exchanges. > > > > > > Again, please remove my email address. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michael Carson > > > YMCA of the USA > > > > > > From: "Ginger Paque" <[log in to unmask]> > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 9:28:38 AM > > > Subject: Re: knitters needle > > > > > > I have never had my knitting needles taken from me on a flight. I do > use circular needles, to avoid poking my seatmates, but have never had the > needles questioned except by other envious knitters who come up to me and > say: What??? We can carry our knitting needles on the plane? > > > > > > I think a knit in is a spectacular idea. I will have a project with me > in Baku, and can bring extra needles and yarn for those who want to learn > to knit :) > > > > > > Cheers, Ginger > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > > > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > Diplo Foundation > > > Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme > > > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 July 2012 09:48, Andrew A. Adams <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > William Drake suggested: > > > > When the IOC folks were speaking in Prague it'd have been great if a > > > > bunch of people could have pulled out knitting needles…maybe Toronto? > > > > Some street theatre is always good for a meeting… > > > > > > Nice idea. You'd have to find a local supply (or have someone bring > hold > > > baggage to bring in a bunch) though, since AFAIK knitting needles are > amongst > > > the terrible deadly weapons currently banned from being taken onto > planes in > > > the war on tourism. ICANN meetings are short enough that lots of > attendees > > > may well be flying hand luggage only (I know I would be). > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Professor Andrew A Adams [log in to unmask] > > > Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and > > > Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics > > > Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ > > > -- Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 Skype: alain.berranger