Dear Alain,

Just one point on your note:

> I look to your continued guidance and oversight in that matter.

While I am rarely shy about offering my opinion and am comfortable when people ask for guidance, I do not think  there is anything in this world for which I currently have oversight.

thanks for the thoughts,
avri


On 4 Jul 2012, at 13:14, Alain Berranger wrote:

> Dear Avri,
>
> Thks, I really appreciate you sharing the history and the background... As to the rudimentary and boring nature of npoc-voice, I pretty much agree...  We have a community to build as we shift into a second generation of members and drivers... For occasional entertainment we go to NCSG-Discuss!
>
> I love how you manoeuvre between communities,  affinity groups and friends!
>
> NCSG EC has now received a full account of pending and new NPOC membership applications. I will soon call for their approval. That will be an important step forward for both NPOC and NCSG. I look to your continued guidance and oversight in that matter.
>
> Cheers, Alain
>
> On Wednesday, July 4, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:
> Dear Alain,
>
> I did not, and do not, argue for  an NCUC list or for the NCSG Discuss list to be used only for business.
>
> What I argue for is a NCSG news only list for those who find the NCSG Discuss list's hurly burly a bit off-putting.  Unlike some of my colleagues I do not beleive we need to force people into the open marketplace of ideas with all of its quirks and discomforts.  I beleive participation in the NCSG DIscuss list should be voluntary.  And, therefore, beleive we need another list the NCSG Chair and GNSO Secretariat can use for required notifications.
>
> Personally I think NCSG Discuss is a great list, and the more people that say something, the happier I am.
>
> I am ambivalent about NCUC and NPOC discuss lists being separate. I periodically check out the NPOC list, and I have not felt envy at NCUC not having such a list.
>
> As for the dotgay LLC party, it wasn't that I invited NCUC and NPOC, it was that I invited a few friends. And they spread the word to others - nothing to do with constituencies or SGs.  In fact most of the gatherings at ICANN are just groups of friends aggregating.  I have noticed that NPOC members do seem to have a affinity group mostly centered around the IPC and others.  I am happy for you all, we all need affinity groups to belong to.  Had I noticed people being all alone and forlorn, I am sure my caretaker instincts would have kicked in and I would have tried to include them in some activities.  I just don't see that; since the beginning of NPOC, its members have always seemed to have good relationship with various groups in CSG, so I never really worried about it.  If anything I might have been somewhat envious of that, as CSG has never reached out to the NCUC in that manner.  I think in all my years at ICANN, even the 5 years when I was a nomcom appointee, before I committed the sin of joining the NCUC  (well documented in the archives of the g-council), I have never once been invited to an IPC event.  I guess we just hang with different groups.
>
> Not that I am NCUC or NCSG social secretary, in fact that is a role I would be terrible at.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 4 Jul 2012, at 02:34, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
> > Hi Avri,
> >
> > It is clear to me too that NCUC/pre NPOC NCSG is a community of some kind - I just don't quite grasp its essence yet, but what is sure is that I don't yet feel part of it.
> >
> >  Looking back to Prague, at no times were any of the 5 NPOC members there made to feel full members of that community. For instance, at your own dot gay event at the sky bar, all NCUC members present were invited, but not a single NPOC member was invited. When NCSG EC had informal gatherings, never once were NPOC members included. That said, NPOC members there did not lack social interaction with other Constituencies.
> >
> > Yes Avri, you and I agree on the need for an NCUC email list for the NCUC community.. Keeping NCSG list for building the new NCSG community made out of both NCUC and NPOC members.
> >
> > Alain
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry to hear that.
> > It is part of what makes us a community instead of just a SG.
> >
> > Would have enjoyed hearing your voice as well.
> > Though I guess I just did.
> >
> > BTW:  I still think we need an announce list of the news and only the news for those members whole don't like all the touchy feely group, aka unprofessional, participation.  I would like the NCSG EC to reconsider its decision from last year not to create such a list.
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 3 Jul 2012, at 11:13, Michael Carson wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,