Shouldn't the ISP constituency be involved in this discussion? From the application documents, looks like they are trying to create an association, rather than being an already established group. Perhaps as a member of NPOC rather than a new constituency? Adam On Thursday, October 11, 2012, Marc Perkel wrote: > I agree - Non-Commercial means non-commercial. So the for profit can go > somewhere else. > > On 10/10/2012 8:42 PM, Andrew A. Adams wrote: > >> ICANN's Silo model indeed produces a problem for this group. I think what >> they really need to do is split themselves for the purposes of ICANN >> formal >> structures into two groups: "non-profit Public Internet Access" and >> "Cyber-cafes and other commercial shared computer access providers", apply >> for NCSG/CSG group membership but agree amongst themselves that they will >> coordinate strongly between them on promoting the clear common interests >> such >> a group has. >> >> I'm afraid I could not support the inclusion of for-profit access >> providers >> in an NCSG constituency as it violates the non-commercial principle of SG >> membership. >> >>