On 01/14/2013 01:33 PM, Robin Gross wrote: > Thanks, Amr. FYI: It is the NCSG Policy Committee, which decides to > endorse statements on behalf of NCSG. It would be great if the NCSG-PC > could agree to endorse this statement before the deadline (or suggest > any changes to it). I support this statement. Thanks Amr, Kathy, and Roy for your work. --Wendy > > Thanks again! > Robin > > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > >> Thanks Kathy and Roy. If there are any more comments that members >> would like included, please post them today. The next Thick Whois WG >> call is scheduled for tomorrow at 15:00 UTC (right before the NCSG >> Policy meeting). We will need to submit our response to the WG prior >> to this call. >> >> It would also be great if NPOC could endorse the response, making it a >> response by NCSG instead of NCUC. As far as I know, NPOC has not >> submitted anything so far. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >> On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> Kathy was kind enough to unify all responses so far, I have (with her >>> consent) unified mine with all others. >>> Please find attached. >>> >>> Roy Balleste, J.S.D. >>> Professor of Law >>> Law Library Director >>> St. Thomas University >>> 16401 NW 37th Avenue >>> Miami Gardens, FL 33054 USA >>> 1-305-623-2341 >>> >>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf >>> Of Kathy Kleiman >>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:05 PM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed >>> edits >>> >>> Hi All, >>> Great thanks to Amr for the first draft of comments to the Thick >>> Whois PDP Working Group. As you know, the question on the table is >>> whether a “thick Whois model” – one in which all Whois data is held >>> and made available by the Registry (e.g., Verisign) and not the >>> Registrar – should be the model for all existing and all new gTLDs. >>> For .COM, it's a huge issue. It is a “thin” registry, and 100 >>> million+ Whois records are stored by the registrar pursuant to local >>> laws (including local privacy and free speech laws). Whether we can >>> convert these 100 million+ records to a single database – and whether >>> we want to – are questions for this group. >>> Further, the issue of “Whois” data, service and protocol are all up >>> in the air. If someday we reach agreement that this very personal >>> data – that can expose individuals and organizations to threat for >>> what they say and share online (including political, religious and >>> ethnic minority views and dissent, including non-commercial activity) >>> – should be private, then a single centralized Registry Whois >>> database creates a single point of access. That means that should >>> Registries be cozy with their local governments, all of this data may >>> be relinquished without due process, or even subject to criminal laws >>> that are non-standard in the world (e.g., Syria, N.Korea, China). >>> The fact is that registrants know their registrars and it is to their >>> registrars that the Whois information is provided. Most registrants >>> will think they are protected under those rules. Despite the fact >>> that New gTLDs (for this round, at least) require a centralized Whois >>> – with the Registry – I remain deeply concerned about the >>> consolidation of the massive .COM Whois (if it's even legal – see >>> below) and the standard set for all future registries and TLDs – >>> regardless of their political, social, or religious uses. >>> >>> If NPOC shares these concerns, I urge you to sign on – with thanks! >>> >>> Best, Kathy Kleiman (veteran of far too many Whois task forces and >>> review teams...) >>> p.s. All of Amr's comments kept, and I added on and filled in some >>> sections... >>> <Edits to Thick Whois PDP WG Initial Comments.2.doc> >> > > > > > IP JUSTICE > Robin Gross, Executive Director > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > [log in to unmask] > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > -- Wendy Seltzer -- [log in to unmask] +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/