The rights of registrant issue interests me. I always feel that 'rights' usually show up itself when someone wants to 'control' something. Poomjit Sirawongprasert (Moui) ภูมิจิต ศิระวงศ์ประเสริฐ (หมวย) twitter: @Moui <http://twitter.com/moui> facebook: PoomjitS <http://facebook.com/PoomjitS> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi, > > > I don't think anything is announced yet, but I understand this is just a > pre-release draft. > I can't see them avoiding a comment period on it. > > Now, will they pay attention to any comments we, or any part of civil > society, may make? > Well .... > > avri > McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning > This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: > http://www.enigmail.net/- [image: more info...]<https://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/http%3A//www.enigmail.net/-?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1882215760&client_ver=3.6.0.187&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_au&ui=1&os_ver=6.1.1.0> > > > On 7 Mar 2013, at 10:17, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > > Are they asking for public comment on this? > > > > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Robin Gross > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:23 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Draft Registrant Rights & Responsibilities > > > > Thanks, Joy. I share your concerns about ICANN calling these "rights", > which really does imply something much broader than what they really mean, > which perhaps is something like "rights provided by the ICANN contracts". > Perhaps ICANN would simply be willing to re-title their document to > clarify that point since it is misleading and creating confusion about the > extent of rights a person might have with respect their domain name? > > > > Thanks, > > Robin > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 7:01 PM, joy wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Thanks Robin - I think calling these "rights" is somewhat misleading- > > they are a small set consumer related contractual rights ... and not > > particularly strong ones at that. The concept of "registrants rights" > > and "responsibilities" in relation to domain names are referred to in > > a variety of RFCs (eg 1591) - might be worth considering whether any > > of these are relevant > > So far as human rights obligations go (due process, privacy, freedom > > of association, non-discrimination and so on) - I'm not entirely sure > > about relegating these to contractual terms and conditions since my > > understanding is that these are obligations which pertain regardless > > of private contract via ICANN. I wouldn't want to see these somehow > > curtailed or read down by only partial reference or inclusion (as I > > have seen happen in other non-ICANN contractual contexts). > > Has there been any previous work in NCSG around "registrants rights" > > that might help? > > Cheers > > Joy > > > > > > > > On 6/03/2013 9:21 a.m., Robin Gross wrote: > > Below is a draft of what is said to be a near-final version of a > > 'domain name registrant's rights and responsibilities' (according > > to ICANN staff). > > > > Unfortunately it doesn't include rights like due process of law > > and gives short shrift to registrants' privacy rights. It might > > be worthwhile to draft our own version of registrant rights and > > responsibilities or an official comment on the deficits in the > > staff-drafted version. It would be great if we could encourage > > staff to come up with a final version that describes the fuller > > range of rights available to registrants. > > > > Best, Robin > > > > > > > http://domainincite.com/12025-icann-to-reveal-registrant-rights-responsibilities-and-heres-a-draft-copy > > > > Registrants' Rights and Responsibilities > > > > Domain Name Registrants' Rights: > > > > 1. Your domain name registration and any privacy services you may > > use in conjunction with it must be subject to a Registration > > Agreement with an ICANN Accredited Registrar. * You are entitled to > > review this Registration Agreement at any time, and download a copy > > for your records. 2. You are entitled to accurate and accessible > > information about: * The identity of your ICANN Accredited > > Registrar; * The identity of any privacy service provider > > affiliated with your Registrar; * Your Registrar's terms and > > conditions, including pricing information, applicable to domain > > name registrations; * The terms and conditions, including pricing > > information, applicable to any privacy services offered by your > > Registrar; * The customer support services offered by your > > Registrar and the privacy services provider, and how to access > > them; * How to raise concerns and resolve disputes with your > > Registrar and any privacy services offered by them; and * > > Instructions that explain your Registrar's processes for > > registering, managing, transferring, renewing, and restoring your > > domain name registrations, including through any privacy services > > made available by your Registrar. 3. You shall not be subject to > > false advertising or deceptive practices by your Registrar or > > though any privacy services made available by your Registrar. This > > includes deceptive notices, hidden fees, and any practices that are > > illegal under the consumer protection law of your residence. > > > > Domain Name Registrants' Responsibilities: > > > > 1. You must comply with the terms and conditions posted by your > > Registrar, including applicable policies from your Registrar, the > > Registry and ICANN. 2. You must review your Registrar's current > > Registration Agreement, along with any updates. 3. You will assume > > sole responsibility for the registration and use of your domain > > name. 4. You must provide accurate information for publication in > > directories such as WHOIS, and promptly update this to reflect any > > changes. 5. You must respond to inquiries from your Registrar > > within fifteen (15) days, and keep your Registrar account data > > current. If you choose to have your domain name registration renew > > automatically, you must also keep your payment information > > current. > > > > > > > > > > IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San > > Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRNrGhAAoJEA9zUGgfM+bqPu8H/2NHHtdR8b1S+z4iVHOGGCRz > > 8K447Ua2xatWIpYenCOXb+FlhsNEAzNmv5lDGnUWINyvK6BwDsxk4eYZ2NSEYexY > > DVX1XugyMBuj8vKYoFRgrrexbr4Q8tD8hx5ZRQMDGmyzmRRk8TO/4itASne3qck0 > > L3TXFughPoOm/Be5iYQ/nVoXtl9EYZtxyHFgLRyv6cljvKAMpyhUldjU9gwpPBhl > > 2lY04X0UPbhQSrdulTAnAaP+Q9RD3sPH+GRyjfZ3p6HHzG2zPD6qweR3wxMxtDj1 > > 0wr8U/fu50znEeMVtI3ktyCuzm3TfzlG+HuikhpVUmX27W1vw00nCgyjWBP4llI= > > =KpQL > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > IP JUSTICE > > Robin Gross, Executive Director > > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: [log in to unmask] > > > > >