Doing (lots) of catch-up with large numbers of unread, but man Jorge, 
I've been buying your .02 for this whole discussion.

Thanks for sharing.

Nicolas


On 2013-04-09 04:52, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
> The claims about .PATAGONIA are borderline silly and with total lack 
> of arguments, and what is funny is that Patagonia is also a registered 
> trademark in Argentina.
>
> HA ! like the "us vs. them" excuse comment, I'm sick tired of that, in 
> particular the derogatory comments about "imperialist yankees" and 
> such, where some references to Patagonia, Inc. are made as "an 
> american company," what if the company was from Finland, or even 
> Argentina ! would the application be OK then ?
>
> And about the HR, is the same stupid line of argument being used by 
> the ITU where ironically the issue is being raised by countries that 
> do not give a squat for Human Rights ...
>
> In the Multistakeholder model, some "hold" more than others .... and 
> IGF, sigh, one more travelling circus to feed the trolls that keep 
> milking the Internet Governance theme ... quite interesting that now 
> we have schools about that too !! ... what a waste of time and 
> resources when we have so many more critical issues to take care of if 
> we really believe in Human Rights.
>
> -J
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>     The identity of the nations and the cultural heritage (also the
>     natural heritage) is part of the human rights. You are agree with
>     that?
>
>     *//*
>
>     */[Milton L Mueller] No, I do not. Identity of nations is not a
>     human right that supersedes all other rights, and one could argue
>     that it is not a right at all, as such rights adhere to
>     individuals not arbitrarily constructed groups. /*
>
>     *//*
>
>     */On the contrary, appeals to the nation, national interest, and
>     national identity are often used to override human rights and are
>     probably responsible for more human rights violations than any
>     other force in modern human history. /*
>
>     *//*
>
>     */Even if you believe that collections of people have some kind of
>     “rights” relative to their identity, which is not reducible to
>     their individual rights to expression and association, I fail to
>     see how the registration a top level domain violates any right,
>     whereas putting the name on sports equipment does not. Can you
>     explain it to me? In other words, if you are asserting a strong,
>     exclusive property right over the string “Patagonia” why confine
>     your concern to the domain name registration? Shouldn’t you also
>     be on the march against the brand? Would you like to reclaim
>     Amazon.com? Should it be illegal for me to name a book Patagonia
>     if I wish to write one? /*
>
>     *//*
>
>     */Or is it simply that this Patagonia application provides a
>     convenient excuse for politicians to create an “us vs. them”
>     dynamic, which can be exploited, and which the current Argentine
>     government seems to specialize in as its economy deteriorates and
>     political support for it wanes./*
>
>     *//*
>
>     In that way of ideas, yes of course ICANN is a private
>     organization based in US with an agreement with the DoC, so for
>     what reason have the GAC? only to advice and comments?.
>
>     *//*
>
>     */[Milton L Mueller] Advice and comment are indeed GAC’s role
>     within ICANN. Are you now saying that GAC should run the show?/*
>
>     Maybe the declaration of Montevideo is only the point to change
>     the view of what is exactly the role of the GAC (including if they
>     need to be in that place or accept be in that place).
>
>     pd. Peru (represent by Ambassador Palomino) will be the president
>     of the team to review the "enhanced cooperation" in IGF, he was
>     one of the more clear (and with a strong position) in have the
>     Montevideo Declaration position.
>
>     */[Milton L Mueller] wonderful. Lots of people jumping off the
>     Multistakeholder ship now. /*
>
>