Hi

I too support Avri and the rest supporting this letter. 

Siim Tuisk
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On 10.05.2013, at 15:16, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I think the letter is good.
> 
> As for the amazon and patagonia statement, I think the way it is outlined is neutral in the sense to whether they ought to be approved or not - let the objections/replies run their course.  Perhaps it can be even more neutral. 
> 
> Perhaps adding a lead-in that say something like:
> 
> Without taking a position on the objections against .amazon and .patagonia which are in the dispute resolution process we criticize the GAC communique on this subject because of ...
> 
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 10 May 2013, at 07:01, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> 
>> We are not commenting on the Amazon or Patagonia applications. We are commenting on the GAC advice.
>> I can add a line stating that many organizations from LA oppose the applications, but the point about the GAC acting extra-legally _must_ be made if we are to be taken seriously as a principled voice. 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>> Flávio Rech Wagner
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:00 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] GAC comments - and a note on my rhetorical
>>> excesses
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen any statements from civil society organizations from
>>> South America supporting the approval of the .amazon and .patagonia
>>> applications. Exact on the contrary. Civil society in South America is
>>> definitely against the approval of these applications, as you can see,
>>> for example, from the list of organizations signing the document sent by
>>> Carlos Afonso in a previous message. Let's stop assuming that this is
>>> just a matter of governments and "empty political statements".
>>> 
>>> In a few cases, governments may reflect the position of the civil
>>> society ...
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Flavio
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I've not seen yet any valid argument or study from the Argentinean
>>>> government why .patagonia should not be approved, not that I'm in
>>>> favor but claiming ownership or sovereignty with empty political
>>>> statements IMHO has no weight in the evaluation process and the
>>>> board can disregard the GAC advice.
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with Milton that because government X say so is not a solid
>>>> argument to deny an application.
>>>> 
>>>> -Jorge
>>>> 
>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> While I agree with most of the doc, I do not agree (along with many
>>>>> civil society orgs & movements) with the arguments in the paragraph
>>>>> mentioning .amazon and .patagonia. Please leave these arguments to
>>>>> the commercial interest groups.
>>>>> 
>>>>> fraternal regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> --c.a.
>>>>> 
>>>>> sent from a dumbphone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9 May 2013, at 14:18, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree.  These are solid comments and NCSG should endorse them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks very much, Milton, for the difficult work of drafting and
>>>>>> re-drafting to incorporate the views of others.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 10:49 AM, McTim wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Today in domain incite the writer starts his blog post with:
>>>>>>>> " For the last few weeks I've been attempting to write a
>>>>>>>> sensible analysis of the Governmental Advisory Committee's
>>>>>>>> advice on new gTLDs without resorting to incredulity, hyperbole
>>>>>>>> or sarcasm"
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Exactly what I felt when I took on the task!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So it took him a few weeks to work it out of his system. Can you
>>>>>>>> all forgive me - or perhaps respect me - for taking only one week?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have revised the GAC comments. They are tamer. They eliminated
>>>>>>>> one mistake that Kathy pointed out to me. the bow to division
>>>>>>>> within NCSG regarding closed generics. But they still drive home
>>>>>>>> what are absolutely essential points that MUST be made, and made
>>>>>>>> strongly, in this important comment period. Please take a fresh
>>>>>>>> look.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d6GT0zqLjU6e7Js-TE2Gjlm_-B5xvh
>>>>>>>> E5CrRPZSV3oV4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am happy with the re-write in terms of tone and substance.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is important that we make a solid statement about this to the
>>>>>>> Board, as it gives them political "cover" to say no to the GAC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> McTim
>>>>>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
>>>>>>> A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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