It has larger impact, but it's the US government that's doing the deed.  The USG is what needs feedback.

It's not an ICANN issue.  We deal with DNS name policy and assignments of various numbers.  How some holders use them is not our concern, except when the use impacts the stability or security of the internet.  This does not.  It's a government and it's agents and courts applying laws to its corporations and people.  They are not (at least under what we know of this program) launching denial of service attacks, attacking the network infrastructure, or interfering with the completion of connections to the intended host(s).

That doesn't mean I approve.  But the right forum is not ICANN.  It may be the UN, communicating with congress, the ACLU and international human rights/privacy rights groups.

That many members share concerns about this issue doesn't make it an ICANN issue.  Any more than the the fact that a U.S. school board's  members' concern about factory conditions in, say, bangalore means that the school board is empowered to act on them.  They might as individuals choose to join or form another group for that.  But the board has a charter and members are appointed/elected for a purpose.

Likewise, our charter is not to right or take positions on all the wrongs of the world.  Just those of ICANN - which is mission enough! 

If we dilute that, we will lose effectiveness for our core mission.  If we try to force ICANN into a larger role, the unintended consequences will make us very, very sorry.

I'm not saying that the issue is unimportant.  Just that this is not the forum for it.
Timothe Litt
ACM Distinguished Engineer
--------------------------
This communication may not represent the ACM or my employer's views,
if any, on the matters discussed.
On 08-Jun-13 20:38, TXVB wrote:
[log in to unmask]" type="cite">

Given that US companies are dealing with international outage over this ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/08/what_about_a_us_tech_boycott/)
Many of the companies involved host servers in the US & there is legitimate concern over privacy rights (listed as a basic right by the UN) I see this as larger than just a US issue.

On Jun 8, 2013 7:21 PM, "Timothe Litt" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
iven the chilling effect the revelations of the NSA's conduct may have regarding personal liberties on the internet, should we look to issue a statement on this type of behavior by governments?
No.  It's not an ICANN issue.  It's purely a US government issue.  That some of the data originates on the internet is not the core issue. 

If NCUC wants to be effective, we should be careful about which battles we take on.  Otherwise we risk being marginalized as complainers about everything.  Or we try to push ICANN into a governmental role - which it is singularly unsuited for.

By all means take it up with civil liberties groups that you belong to, and if you're in the US, your congress-people.  (Who, by the way, wrote the enabling legislation, were all briefed on the programs - and only now, when it came to light, are 'shocked, truly shocked' by the consequences.  That however, is politics.  Not in NCUC's domain.)

Timothe Litt
ACM Distinguished Engineer
--------------------------
This communication may not represent the ACM or my employer's views,
if any, on the matters discussed. 

This communication may not represent my employer's views,
if any, on the matters discussed.
On 08-Jun-13 20:08, Michael Haffely wrote:

Given the chilling effect the revelations of the NSA's conduct may have regarding personal liberties on the internet, should we look to issue a statement on this type of behavior by governments?

On Jun 5, 2013 7:59 AM, "William Drake" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hello

At the ICANN meeting in Durban, NCUC

1.  will do an outreach event in the context of the African School on Internet Governance on the afternoon of Friday 12 July.

2.  will sponsor a reception/dinner after the school.  This will be organized by the Association for Progressive Communications, and I guess be like the APC parties held at the annual global IGF meetings, maybe @ 50-60 people milling around eating and drinking at a restaurant near the school event.  

3.  has applied to organize a workshop on closed generics within the main ICANN program.

4.  is talking to some government representatives, as well at the ATRT team, about meeting with us on Constituency Day, Tuesday 16th.

It would help a great deal in deciding how to take these activities forward if I knew who from NCUC will be able to attend in Durban.  In particular, I really need an accurate head count to give the restaurant for the reception/dinner.  I would therefore greatly appreciate it if people could be in touch and let me know if they are coming to Durban, and if so on what date and whether they can attend the Friday events.

Thanks much,

Bill


On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:45 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi

Further to my previous messages, this is the event at which NCUC will be doing an outreach session & reception.  NCUC members from Africa may wish to consider applying…

Best,

Bill

Begin forwarded message:

From: Anriette Esterhuysen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [governance] African School on IG: call for applications
Date: June 3, 2013 11:27:33 AM GMT+02:00
Reply-To: [log in to unmask],Anriette Esterhuysen <[log in to unmask]>

Dear all

I am very pleased to be announcing the call for applications for the
first African School on Internet Governance (ASIG) scheduled to take
place from 10-12 July, immediately prior to the ICANN meeting in Durban
South Africa. Thanks to the many people - including those on on this
list - who have contributed the input and support that managed to get us
to the point of being able to launch ASIG next month.

Details below and in the attached PDF. Please distribute widely.

Anriette

*Call for Applications to Participate in the First African School on
Internet Governance in Durban South Africa, July 2013*

The Association for Progressive Communications (APC) and the NEPAD
Planning and Coordinating Agency–e-Africa Programme are pleased to
announce the call for applications for the first African School on
Internet Governance to be held in Durban, South Africa, from 10-12 July
2013.

Internet Governance (IG) is usually defined as the development and
application, by governments, the private sector, and civil society of
principles, policies, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and
programmes that shape the evolution and use of the internet. While few
contest the definition itself, the respective roles, responsibility,
power and influence of various stakeholder groups continue to be the
subject of intense debate. Also contested is the institutional ecosystem
within which decisions that impact on the internet are being made, as
well as the principles on which such governance should be based.

What is not contested is that (a) IG is complex and and participating
effectively in IG processes is not easy, (b) African participation in
IG, be it in technical, social or political spheres, is insufficient and
(b) few African countries have established sustainable open and
inclusive policy discussion forums where government, civil society,
businesses and technical people are able to interact effectively and
collaborate to develop consistent national and institutional strategies
aimed at mobilising the internet for economic, social, political and
cultural development.

The first Summer School on IG <http://www.euro-ssig.eu/> (SSIG) was held
in Europe in Meissen in July 2007. It has become an annual event and has
given rise to the South School on IG
<http://www.gobernanzainternet.org/> held annually in Latin America for
the last four years and an Asia Pacific school that took place in 2011.
The African School on IG will build on their experience but customise
session content to meet the needs of African IG interest groups. We will
utilise the expertise that exists within the continent as well as that
of international academics and practitioners in the field. Topics to be
covered include:

 *

   History and overview of IG

 *

   Policy, development and human rights

 *

   Regulation and management: standards, protocols, gTLDs, ccTLDs,
   internet intermediaries

 *

   Multi-stakeholder approaches to IG: roles and processes, challenges
   and opportunities


APC/NPCA can support two groups of successful applicants:

 *

   Those who are already planning to come to ICANN47
   <http://meetings.icann.org/ICANN47> but who would need to arrive
   earlier to attend the School (accommodation and meals)

 *

   Those who are not currently planning to come to ICANN47 but who want
   to participate in the school (travel, visas and meals and
   accommodation for the duration of the School)

The organisers of the School are not able to support accommodation and
other costs for particpation in ICANN47, only for participation in the
African School on IG.


To apply please fill in the form at *http://tw.gs/Q7uehW*by *12 June
2013*. For more information contact *[log in to unmask]*


--
------------------------------------------------------
anriette esterhuysen [log in to unmask]
executive director, association for progressive communications
www.apc.org
po box 29755, melville 2109
south africa
tel/fax +27 11 726 1692

<Call for Applications AfriIG_31052013.pdf>
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
    [log in to unmask]
To be removed from the list, visit:
    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing

For all other list information and functions, see:
    http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
    http://www.igcaucus.org/

Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t

**********************************************************
William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
  Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
  University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
  ICANN, www.ncuc.org
[log in to unmask]  
www.williamdrake.org
***********************************************************

_______________________________________________
Ncuc-discuss mailing list
[log in to unmask]
http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss

**********************************************************
William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
  Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
  University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
  ICANN, www.ncuc.org
[log in to unmask]  
www.williamdrake.org
***********************************************************


_______________________________________________
Ncuc-discuss mailing list
[log in to unmask]
http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss



_______________________________________________
Ncuc-discuss mailing list
[log in to unmask]
http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss


_______________________________________________
Ncuc-discuss mailing list
[log in to unmask]
http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss