A lex, isn't that already happening in Iran, or at least they're trying to make it happen? *Andrei Barburas* CRSO/IO International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD) P.O. Box 11586, 2502 AN The Hague, The Netherlands NPOC, ICANN member M: +31 62 928 2879 T: +31 70 311 7311 | F: +31 70 311 7322 Website: iicd.org <http://www.iicd.org/> | Check out our Annual Report for 2012; We reached one million beneficiaries in Health.. Imagine that!<http://annualreport.iicd.org> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Wildly thinking... > > This development could, at some point in future, be used to justify a need > for different "Internet Layers" arguably to fix emergent single points of > failure. They may be "InterNet","RegNet" and "NatNet". Users could choose > which network the wish to login to. International, Regional or National. Of > course, one would expect "internet fragmentation" counter argument. I am > just thinking out loud here... > > [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or > unintended typos] > On Jul 3, 2013 12:03 PM, "Klaus Stoll" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Dear Friends >> >> I think it is just a matter of very short time until someone will connect >> ICANN in some way to this. Even if ICANN has nothing to do with anything, >> it is a god send for the UN and ITU, they just need to mention ICANNs >> status as a US foundation. >> >> We can see it as a problem or I think here is a opportunity. The root of >> all these problems is still the fact that the general public depends on the >> Internet, but does not know anything about how it is governed and run. >> ICANN suddenly looks a very very old organization because it is not capable >> to address the real issues of the time and is stuck in the past. What is >> needed now is a big push towards true democratization of the Internet, as >> awareness and involvement by all is the only way to govern the beast. It is >> the general ignorance that lets those in power get away with it. If I know >> that and how things are done I can try to control them, if I don’t even >> know the basics I am just condemned to ignorance and in this case ignorance >> is NOT bliss. (When, oh when will we finally accept that the Internet is a >> common good and can and should not be in parts or as a whole be owned by >> anybody. We need a universal declaration of Internet rights NOW!). You >> might have seen the emails and activities regarding this topic in the last >> month and weeks, (I-Inform alliance), so you will know the tools and >> concepts are in place, what is missing is the will and effort to do it now! >> >> Yours >> >> Klaus >> >> (Those who want to know more about the I-Inform Alliance can send me an >> email and I will forward more info). >> >> *From:* Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:23 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: ICANN Paranoia >> >> >> I suspect that many people remain silent on this -- perhaps still stuck >> at the "Denial" stage on the Kübler-Ross model ? >> >> [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or >> unintended typos] >> On Jul 3, 2013 10:54 AM, "Andrei Barburas" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> And personally, I am still not sure why everyone was/is surprised >>> about the tapping and the surveillance.. >>> >>> What Snowden did, was just confirm the "theory". At the end of the day, >>> just because you don't know about something, that doesn't mean that it's >>> not happening. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Andrei Barburas* >>> >>> CRSO/IO >>> >>> >>> >>> International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD) >>> >>> P.O. Box 11586, 2502 AN The Hague, The Netherlands >>> >>> NPOC, ICANN member >>> >>> >>> M: +31 62 928 2879 >>> >>> T: +31 70 311 7311 | F: +31 70 311 7322 >>> Website: iicd.org <http://www.iicd.org/> | Check out our Annual Report >>> for 2012; We reached one million beneficiaries in Health.. Imagine that!<http://annualreport.iicd.org> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Adam Peake <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:13 PM, William Drake wrote: >>>> >>>> > On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Marc Perkel <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Considering the NSA and PRISM stuff and that they are into >>>> Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, etc - shouldn't we assume that ICANN >>>> has been compromised? Considering everything else they are into how can >>>> they not be into ICANN? >>>> >> >>>> >> Having said that - what does that mean to our trip? >>>> > >>>> > Maybe that we should have all worried less about having our computers >>>> compromised at the Beijing meeting? Or, worried more broadly... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>