Those are really good points, Cintra. Wish you could have been on the call. Can NPOC and perhaps ALAC (and NCSG) collaborate on a strong statement with all the factors. There were some good points made on the call today. xx dd On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Cintra Sooknanan <[log in to unmask] > wrote: > Sorry to miss the call today. > > As Marie-laure mentioned the EWG did have a session with NPOC in Durban. > At that meeting I raised two issues relating to the jurisdictional facets > of personal data (proposed to be moved to and reposed in the database): > - the lack of user choice on the jurisdiction that their personal data is > held (as they may not even be aware of the location of the database or > applicable data protection laws) > - the inability of the user to recourse for misuse of or choice over the > level of protection of their data (as the data is held by a third party, > likely away from the jurisdiction of their local courts or laws, and > require prohibitively expensive costs and measures to be taken to > facilitate the user's choice). > > I think it is also important that we make the point that an independent > database does not circumvent the Registrar's duty to obtain and maintain > accurate records but rather acts as a redundancy to this system. > > It is absolutely crucial that we weigh in the impact of the EWG proposals > from different angles and I welcome further discussion on and off list. > > Regards > > Cintra Sooknanan > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Olivier Kouami <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I agree with most you that ICANN is an american-oriented organization; >> I'm adding. >> This matter has to change due to the internationalization process? >> I hope ... on day ... :-) >> cheers ! >> -Olevie- >> >> >> >> 2013/8/6 Magaly Pazello <[log in to unmask]> >> >>> +1 Rudi... >>> ICANN is an english-oriented organization... >>> Magaly >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Rudi Vansnick <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> > Just came back from Berlin, I jumped immediately on my laptop and >>> connected >>> > to the call. >>> > This type of call needs another context as we know most of the >>> intervenants >>> > are native English speakers and forget non-native are on the call. My >>> > concern is strait forward : shouldn't the end-user being the one >>> deciding >>> > what is made publicly available and at the other hand : is it ICANN's >>> > mandate to step into the validation of personal data usage ? >>> > >>> > My quick impression >>> > >>> > Rudi Vansnick >>> > >>> > Op 6-aug.-2013, om 16:00 heeft Marie-laure Lemineur < >>> [log in to unmask]> >>> > het volgende geschreven: >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > NPOC already met with the EWG in Durban and expressed its concerns >>> about >>> > specific aspects. But maybe some of our members will participate to the >>> > call. Personally, I will attend the Thick Whois WG weekly call >>> scheduled >>> > right now at the same time as the EWG one. >>> > >>> > Good luck with the call! >>> > >>> > Marie-laure >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPad >>> > >>> > On 06/08/2013, at 07:44, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Call starts in 15 minutes with EWG. All are encouraged to join. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Aug 5, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Robin Gross wrote: >>> > >>> > Reminder: Call set for Tuesday 6 August 2013 at 14:00 - 15:00 UTC. >>> > >>> > NCSG members are invited to meet with members of ICANN's Expert Working >>> > Group (EWG) on Directory Services (aka whois) to discuss the group's >>> work >>> > including its final report to the board. This is the group ICANN staff >>> > pulled together to "solve" the whois problem. All NCSG members are >>> welcome >>> > and encouraged to participate in the call and ask questions of the EWG >>> > members and give them your comments on the report. So please read the >>> > report and participate in the call. Call details are below. 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