Hello all, If you have time and are interested in data protection I recommend you read this factsheet from the European Commission on international cooperation and the new data protection rules to be approved. europa.eu/justice/data-protection/document/review2012/factsheets/5_en.pdf I have already mentioned at some point that one of the new challenges for the new WHois system will be that in a near future, from a legal perspective, there will be EU data protection standards applied independently of the location where the data of the European citizens is processed outside or inside the EU. It seems to me that the EWG missed this key aspect. As far as data protection for EU registrants are concerned, it will be somewhat irrelevant where the central database or the registrar or registry will be located. It will be relevant for other reasons ( security, etc.). We are heading towards a dual data protection system for registrants, it looks like it will soon be a EU registrants versus non-EU registrants system which of course will probably have a lot of consecuences ( business impact, consumer protection, etc.) Best, Marie-laure Sent from my iPad On 06/08/2013, at 18:37, Cintra Sooknanan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Sorry to miss the call today. > > As Marie-laure mentioned the EWG did have a session with NPOC in Durban. At that meeting I raised two issues relating to the jurisdictional facets of personal data (proposed to be moved to and reposed in the database): > - the lack of user choice on the jurisdiction that their personal data is held (as they may not even be aware of the location of the database or applicable data protection laws) > - the inability of the user to recourse for misuse of or choice over the level of protection of their data (as the data is held by a third party, likely away from the jurisdiction of their local courts or laws, and require prohibitively expensive costs and measures to be taken to facilitate the user's choice). > > I think it is also important that we make the point that an independent database does not circumvent the Registrar's duty to obtain and maintain accurate records but rather acts as a redundancy to this system. > > It is absolutely crucial that we weigh in the impact of the EWG proposals from different angles and I welcome further discussion on and off list. > > Regards > > Cintra Sooknanan > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Olivier Kouami <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I agree with most you that ICANN is an american-oriented organization; I'm adding. >> This matter has to change due to the internationalization process? >> I hope ... on day ... :-) >> cheers ! >> -Olevie- >> >> >> >> 2013/8/6 Magaly Pazello <[log in to unmask]> >>> +1 Rudi... >>> ICANN is an english-oriented organization... >>> Magaly >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Rudi Vansnick <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> > Just came back from Berlin, I jumped immediately on my laptop and connected >>> > to the call. >>> > This type of call needs another context as we know most of the intervenants >>> > are native English speakers and forget non-native are on the call. My >>> > concern is strait forward : shouldn't the end-user being the one deciding >>> > what is made publicly available and at the other hand : is it ICANN's >>> > mandate to step into the validation of personal data usage ? >>> > >>> > My quick impression >>> > >>> > Rudi Vansnick >>> > >>> > Op 6-aug.-2013, om 16:00 heeft Marie-laure Lemineur <[log in to unmask]> >>> > het volgende geschreven: >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > NPOC already met with the EWG in Durban and expressed its concerns about >>> > specific aspects. But maybe some of our members will participate to the >>> > call. Personally, I will attend the Thick Whois WG weekly call scheduled >>> > right now at the same time as the EWG one. >>> > >>> > Good luck with the call! >>> > >>> > Marie-laure >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPad >>> > >>> > On 06/08/2013, at 07:44, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Call starts in 15 minutes with EWG. All are encouraged to join. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Aug 5, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Robin Gross wrote: >>> > >>> > Reminder: Call set for Tuesday 6 August 2013 at 14:00 - 15:00 UTC. >>> > >>> > NCSG members are invited to meet with members of ICANN's Expert Working >>> > Group (EWG) on Directory Services (aka whois) to discuss the group's work >>> > including its final report to the board. This is the group ICANN staff >>> > pulled together to "solve" the whois problem. All NCSG members are welcome >>> > and encouraged to participate in the call and ask questions of the EWG >>> > members and give them your comments on the report. So please read the >>> > report and participate in the call. Call details are below. Thank you! - >>> > Robin >>> > >>> > EWG Durban Public Report: >>> > >>> > >>> > https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/41892060/EWG-Durban-Public-Final.pdf >>> > >>> > Begin forwarded message: >>> > >>> > From: Charla Shambley <[log in to unmask]> >>> > Subject: EWG Call with NCSG >>> > Date: July 30, 2013 11:41:11 AM PDT >>> > To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>, >>> > "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> >>> > >>> > Dear Expert Working Group and NCSG Members: >>> > >>> > Your conference call is scheduled for: >>> > >>> > **Tuesday, 6 August 2013** >>> > 14:00-15:00 UTC >>> > >>> > Please check your local time at: >>> > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EWG+-+Call+with+NCSG&iso=20130806T07&p1=137&ah=1 >>> > >>> > Link to Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/expertworkinggroup/ >>> > >>> > CONFERENCE ID: 14864161 >>> > >>> > Dial-in numbers are listed below according to your country of residence. >>> > Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list available at: >>> > http://adigo.com/icann/ >>> > Should you require a dial-out, please provide us with your phone number. >>> > >>> > Australia >>> > 1 800 009 820 >>> > 1 800 036 775 >>> > Sydney – T - +61 290 372 962 >>> > Melbourne – T – +61 399 996 500 >>> > Brisbane – T – +61 731 777 546 >>> > >>> > Belgium >>> > L - 0800 79210 >>> > M - 0800 79218 >>> > T- +32 78 480 286 >>> > >>> > Canada >>> > 1 800 550 6865 >>> > T - +1 213 233 3193 >>> > >>> > China >>> > North - 10 800 712 1212 >>> > South - 10 800 120 1212 >>> > All - 400 120 0691 >>> > >>> > Finland >>> > 0 800 116 319 >>> > 800 552 040 >>> > >>> > Hong-Kong >>> > 800 965184 >>> > T + - 852 58 080 242 >>> > >>> > Ireland >>> > 1 800 684 009 >>> > >>> > Jamaica >>> > 1 800 250 1668 >>> > >>> > Nigeria >>> > No dial-in number available – please provide us with you phone number. >>> > >>> > United Kingdom >>> > 0800 056 9431 >>> > 0800 032 6646 >>> > T - +44 207 099 0867 >>> > >>> > United States >>> > 1 800 550 6865 >>> > T - +1 213 233 3193 >>> > >>> > >>> > Charla K. 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