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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:28:24 -0400
Reply-To: Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 2013 NCSG Annual Election Results
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Hi,
Thanks Robin, and thanks to those who checked in and voted.
I look forward to the challenge of doing my best to represent the =
diverse views of the NCSG in the Council - never done that before. =20
Thanks for the opportunity.
avri
On 15 Oct 2013, at 11:17, Robin Gross wrote:
> Dear NCSG Members:
>=20
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>=20
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's =
3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and =
Amr Elsadr. =20
>=20
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone =
who voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election =
without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>=20
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN =
meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>=20
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes =
cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>=20
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> =20
> <NCSG Election results October 2013.pdf>
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:32:33 +0100
Reply-To: Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 2013 NCSG Annual Election Results
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Wow, congratulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the
candidates who put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a
deep field.
Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors!
Best wishes, Maria
On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
> Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without
> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting
> in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast
> (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>
>
>
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<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =A0 Als=
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+1 Roy Congratulations!!!!
Roy Balleste
Law Library Director &
Professor of Law
St. Thomas University Law Library
16401 NW 37th Avenue
Miami Gardens, FL 33054
305-623-2341
From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mari=
a Farrell
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] 2013 NCSG Annual Election Results
Wow, congratulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the ca=
ndidates who put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a de=
ep field.
Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors!
Best wishes, Maria
On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]<mailto:robin@ipj=
ustice.org>> wrote:
Dear NCSG Members:
The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3 new=
ly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsa=
dr.
A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who vot=
ed in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without th=
e tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting =
in Buenos Aires (22 November).
Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast =
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
Thank you all!
Robin
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Maria Farrell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] 2013 NCSG Annual Election Results<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Wow, congratulations =
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</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! A=
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</div>
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</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominator=
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held the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery fro=
m ICANN staff.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The term for these positions begins at the conclusio=
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</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Voters can check their individual ballot ID against =
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</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you all!<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Robin<o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:56:10 +0200
Reply-To: Amr Elsadr <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Amr Elsadr <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 2013 NCSG Annual Election Results
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Same sentiments here. Thanks to everyone who voted. I look forward to =
working with everyone here and serving the NCSG on the GNSO Council. I =
appreciate the confidence that has been shown in my ability to do so, =
and promise to do my best to live up to expectations.
Thanks again.
Amr
On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Thanks Robin, and thanks to those who checked in and voted.
>=20
> I look forward to the challenge of doing my best to represent the =
diverse views of the NCSG in the Council - never done that before. =20
>=20
> Thanks for the opportunity.
>=20
> avri
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 15 Oct 2013, at 11:17, Robin Gross wrote:
>=20
>> Dear NCSG Members:
>>=20
>> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>>=20
>> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's =
3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and =
Amr Elsadr. =20
>>=20
>> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone =
who voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election =
without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>>=20
>> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN =
meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>>=20
>> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes =
cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>>=20
>> Thank you all!
>> Robin
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>> <NCSG Election results October 2013.pdf>
>>=20
>=20
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:56:40 +0200
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From: Baudouin SCHOMBE <[log in to unmask]>
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congratulations to all.
*SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN*
*REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE@FRICA/RDC*
*COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC
COORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC*
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2013/10/15 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
> Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election witho=
ut
> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meetin=
g
> in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cas=
t
> (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>
>
>
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>
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>
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ce.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dear NCSG Members:</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this em=
ail.</div><div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Damma=
k! =A0 Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgan=
g Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, =
and everyone who voted in the election. =A0And also we couldn't have he=
ld the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from =
ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
e:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
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Congratulations to all.
Thierry
2013/10/15 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
> Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without
> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting
> in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast
> (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>
>
>
> ** **
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Congratulations to all. <br><br></div>Thierry<br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2013/10/15 =
Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dea=
r NCSG Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results a=
re back and attached to this email.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =A0 Als=
o congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwac=
hter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div><div><br></div><div>A deep thank=
s to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who voted in the el=
ection. =A0And also we couldn't have held the election without the tire=
less assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
e:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
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<div><div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-b=
ottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u>=
</u></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></div><br><div style=3D"wor=
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ear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Thierry <br>+ 221 77 565 64 11 <br><br><br>
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Hello,
Thanks to everybody who participated in this process from NCSG membership a=
s voters and candidates , also to Glen who assisted for the voting process. I=
also want to thanks Robin , our current chair , it won't be easy to be your=
successor !
I am happy to serve again NCSG , in different role, with different challenge=
s and ready to cooperate with everybody , there are already many ongoing cha=
nges and we have to handle them.
Thanks again.
Best,
Rafik
Le 16 Oct 2013 =C3=A0 00:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> a =C3=A9crit :=
> Dear NCSG Members:
>=20
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>=20
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3 ne=
wly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsa=
dr. =20
>=20
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who vo=
ted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without th=
e tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>=20
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting=
in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>=20
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>=20
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>=20
>=20
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> <NCSG Election results October 2013.pdf>
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div=
><div>Thanks to everybody who participated in this process from NCSG m=
embership as voters and candidates , also to Glen who assisted for the votin=
g process. I also want to thanks Robin , our current chair , it won't be eas=
y to be your successor !</div><div>I am happy to serve again NCSG , in diffe=
rent role, with different challenges and ready to cooperate with everybody ,=
there are already many ongoing changes and we have to handle them.</div><di=
v>Thanks again.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafi=
k<br><br><div><br></div></div><div><br>Le 16 Oct 2013 =C3=A0 00:17, Robin Gr=
oss <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> a=
=C3=A9crit :<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><b=
ase href=3D"x-msg://27/"><div>Dear NCSG Members:</div><div><br></div><div>Th=
e NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also con=
grats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri=
Doria, and Amr Elsadr. </div><div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the=
other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who voted in the election. &=
nbsp;And also we couldn't have held the election without the tireless assist=
ance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div><div><br></div><div>The te=
rm for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting in Buen=
os Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div>Voters can check their indi=
vidual ballot ID against the list of votes cast (attached) to verify that th=
eir vote was counted correctly.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div=
><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; f=
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gin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; f=
ont-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></span=
></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><NC=
SG Election results October 2013.pdf></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div><Bass href=3D"x-msg://27/"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span c=
lass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: H=
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Congrats and looking forward to working with you!
Regards
Cintra
On Oct 15, 2013 11:18 AM, "Robin Gross" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
> Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without
> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting
> in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast
> (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>
>
>
> ** **
>
>
>
>
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<p>Congrats and looking forward to working with you!</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Cintra</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2013 11:18 AM, "Robin Gross"=
; <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wr=
ote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dear NCSG Members:</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this em=
ail.</div><div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Damma=
k! =A0 Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgan=
g Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, =
and everyone who voted in the election. =A0And also we couldn't have he=
ld the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from =
ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
e:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
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Hi
+1 Congrats to Rafik and the Council 3, and thanks to the departing =
Councilors as well.
Best,
Bill
On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> Wow, congratulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all =
the candidates who put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had =
such a deep field.
>=20
> Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors!
>=20
> Best wishes, Maria
>=20
>=20
> On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear NCSG Members:
>=20
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>=20
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's =
3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and =
Amr Elsadr. =20
>=20
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone =
who voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election =
without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>=20
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN =
meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>=20
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes =
cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>=20
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>=20
>=20
>=20
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William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,=20
ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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">Hi<div><br></div><div>+1 Congrats to Rafik and the Council 3, and =
thanks to the departing Councilors as =
well.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><d=
iv><br><div><div>On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Wow, congratulations to =
Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the candidates who put =
their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a deep =
field.<br><br></div>Looking forward to working with our new and =
returning Councillors!<br>
<br></div>Best wishes, Maria<br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 15 October =
2013 16:17, Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dear NCSG =
Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results are =
back and attached to this email.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =
Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang =
Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =
</div><div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, =
the nominators, and everyone who voted in the election. And also =
we couldn't have held the election without the tireless assistance of =
Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the =
conclusion of the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 =
November).</div><div><br></div><div>Voters can check their individual =
ballot ID against the list of votes cast (attached) to verify that their =
vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you =
all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><blockquo=
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Reply-To: Walid AL-SAQAF <[log in to unmask]>
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+1 Congrats indeed and we will be supporting you all the way for the
non-commercial cause!
Walid Al-Saqaf
On Oct 15, 2013 8:14 PM, "William Drake" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> +1 Congrats to Rafik and the Council 3, and thanks to the departing
> Councilors as well.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
> On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Wow, congratulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the
> candidates who put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a
> deep field.
>
> Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors!
>
> Best wishes, Maria
>
>
> On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear NCSG Members:
>>
>> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>>
>> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
>> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
>> Elsadr.
>>
>> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
>> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without
>> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>>
>> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN
>> meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>>
>> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes
>> cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>>
>> Thank you all!
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
> www.williamdrake.org
> ***********************************************************
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">+1 Congrats indeed and we will be supporting you all the way=
for the non-commercial cause! </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Walid Al-Saqaf<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2013 8:14 PM, "William Drake&quo=
t; <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>>=
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi<div><br></div><div>+1 Congrats to Ra=
fik and the Council 3, and thanks to the departing Councilors as well.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br><div=
>
<div>On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <<a href=3D"mailto:maria=
[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote=
:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Wow, congra=
tulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the candidates wh=
o put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a deep field.<b=
r>
<br></div>Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors=
!<br>
<br></div>Best wishes, Maria<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <span dir=3D=
"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">robin@ip=
justice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dea=
r NCSG Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results a=
re back and attached to this email.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =C2=A0 =
Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Klein=
wachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>A deep=
thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who voted in =
the election. =C2=A0And also we couldn't have held the election without=
the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
e:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
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ake<br>International Fellow &=C2=A0Lecturer<br>=C2=A0 Media Change &=
;=C2=A0Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>=C2=A0 University of Zurich,=C2=A0Switz=
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=C2=A0 ICANN, <a href=3D"http://www.ncuc.org" target=3D"_blank">www.ncuc.or=
g</a><br><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">william.=
[log in to unmask]</a> (w),=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_=
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A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and
Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the
hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable,
unfathomable and uncountable.
To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing,
dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through
the turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New
gTLD Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and
inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!
All the best,
Kathy
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Hopefully
the work will continue for ensuring Internet ownership in our area.
Looking to talk to you in our monthly call!
Best regards!
________________________
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Regional Coordinator of REPAOC
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The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
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newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and =
Amr
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=20
A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election =
without
the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
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The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN =
meeting
in Buenos Aires (22 November).
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2013 15:17<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>=C0 :</span></b>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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12.0pt'>The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this =
email.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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to
NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri =
Doria, and
Amr Elsadr. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and =
everyone who
voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election
without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN =
staff.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
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ICANN
meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of =
votes
cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted =
correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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From: Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]>
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A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!
Maria
On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and
> Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the hours
> from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, unfathomable
> and uncountable.
>
> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing,
> dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the
> turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD
> Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
>
> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and
> inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!
>
> All the best,
> Kathy
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!<br><br></div>M=
aria<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - o=
ur departing Chair and Councilmen! =A0The time you have spent, the care you=
have devoted, the hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is =
innumerable, unfathomable and uncountable.<br>
<br>
To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, dynam=
ic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the t=
urbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD Appli=
cant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.<br>
<br>
Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and inspirati=
ons. =A0We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Kathy<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+1 Congrats and thanks to all, incoming and outgoing.
Ginger
Ginger (Virginia) Paque
IG Programmes, DiploFoundation
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On 15 October 2013 12:13, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> +1 Congrats to Rafik and the Council 3, and thanks to the departing
> Councilors as well.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
> On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Wow, congratulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the
> candidates who put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a
> deep field.
>
> Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors!
>
> Best wishes, Maria
>
>
> On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear NCSG Members:
>>
>> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>>
>> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
>> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
>> Elsadr.
>>
>> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
>> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without
>> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>>
>> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN
>> meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>>
>> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes
>> cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>>
>> Thank you all!
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
> www.williamdrake.org
> ***********************************************************
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>+1 Congrats and thanks to all, incoming and outgoing.=
<br></div>Ginger<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans=
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yle=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></i></b></span></div></span></div></div></div=
>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 15 October 2013 12:13, William Drake =
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi<div><br></div><div>+1 Congrats to Ra=
fik and the Council 3, and thanks to the departing Councilors as well.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br><div=
>
<div>On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <<a href=3D"mailto:maria=
[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote=
:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Wow, congra=
tulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the candidates wh=
o put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a deep field.<b=
r>
<br></div>Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors=
!<br>
<br></div>Best wishes, Maria<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <span dir=3D=
"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">robin@ip=
justice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dea=
r NCSG Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results a=
re back and attached to this email.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =A0 Als=
o congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwac=
hter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div><div><br></div><div>A deep thank=
s to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who voted in the el=
ection. =A0And also we couldn't have held the election without the tire=
less assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
e:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
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ake<br>International Fellow &=A0Lecturer<br>=A0 Media Change &=A0In=
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, Noncommercial=A0Users Constituency,=A0<br>
=A0 ICANN, <a href=3D"http://www.ncuc.org" target=3D"_blank">www.ncuc.org</=
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Reply-To: Walid AL-SAQAF <[log in to unmask]>
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+1 with thanks.
Walid
On Oct 15, 2013 8:36 PM, "Maria Farrell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!
>
> Maria
>
>
> On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and
>> Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the hours
>> from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, unfathomable
>> and uncountable.
>>
>> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing,
>> dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the
>> turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD
>> Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
>>
>> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and
>> inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Kathy
>>
>
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">+1 with thanks.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Walid</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2013 8:36 PM, "Maria Farrell&quo=
t; <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</=
a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!<br><br></div>M=
aria<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - o=
ur departing Chair and Councilmen! =C2=A0The time you have spent, the care =
you have devoted, the hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated =
is innumerable, unfathomable and uncountable.<br>
<br>
To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, dynam=
ic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the t=
urbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD Appli=
cant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.<br>
<br>
Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and inspirati=
ons. =C2=A0We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Kathy<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
</blockquote></div>
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From: Patricia Gnilane Senghor <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 2013 NCSG Annual Election Results
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Congratulations to you all.
Patricia
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thierry Sanzhie Bokally <[log in to unmask]
> wrote:
> Congratulations to all.
>
> Thierry
>
>
> 2013/10/15 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> Dear NCSG Members:
>>
>> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>>
>> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
>> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
>> Elsadr.
>>
>> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
>> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without
>> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>>
>> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN
>> meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>>
>> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes
>> cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>>
>> Thank you all!
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> ** **
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> --
> Thierry
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Congratulations to you all.<br><br></div>Patricia<br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,=
Oct 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thierry Sanzhie Bokally <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>=
></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Congratulations to all=
. <br><br></div>Thierry<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div class=
=3D"h5">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2013/10/15 Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">robin@ipjusti=
ce.org</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dea=
r NCSG Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results a=
re back and attached to this email.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =A0 Als=
o congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwac=
hter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div><div><br></div><div>A deep thank=
s to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who voted in the el=
ection. =A0And also we couldn't have held the election without the tire=
less assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
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Absolutely. Three exceptional champions of the NCSG. You've been nothing =
short of inspirational.
Thank you so much.
Amr
On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!
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> Maria
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> On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and =
Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the =
hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, =
unfathomable and uncountable.
>=20
> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, =
dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through =
the turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New =
gTLD Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
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> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and =
inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years =
ahead!
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> All the best,
> Kathy
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Absolutely. Three exceptional champions of the NCSG. You've been nothing short of inspirational.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you so much.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr</div><br><div><div>On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Maria Farrell <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!<br><br></div>Maria<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, unfathomable and uncountable.<br>
<br>
To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.<br>
<br>
Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Kathy<br>
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+1 Thanks-a-Million!!! Robin, Wendy and Joy.
Roy
From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amr =
Elsadr
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:21 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Three cheers for Robin, Wendy and Joy!!!
Absolutely. Three exceptional champions of the NCSG. You've been nothing sh=
ort of inspirational.
Thank you so much.
Amr
On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]<mailto:=
[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!
Maria
On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]<mailto:kath=
[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and Councilm=
en! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the hours from wor=
k, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, unfathomable and unc=
ountable.
To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, dynam=
ic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the turbu=
lent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD Applicant=
Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and inspirati=
ons. We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!
All the best,
Kathy
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our depar=
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<br>
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lent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD Applicant=
Guidebook at all is a tribute to
your leadership.<br>
<br>
Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and inspirati=
ons. We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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Welcome to our new Chair and congratulations to the successful
candidates - and also to all those who stood for Council - it was really
great to see a good selection of strong candidates and supporters of
non-commercial users
Best wishes
Joy
On 16/10/2013 4:17 a.m., Robin Gross wrote:
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's
3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and
Amr Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone
who voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election
without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN
meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes
cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>
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>
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supporters of non-commercial users<br>
Best wishes<br>
<br>
Joy<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 16/10/2013 4:17 a.m., Robin Gross wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> Dear NCSG Members:<br>
><br>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to
this email.<br>
><br>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats
to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter,
Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. <br>
><br>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and
everyone who voted in the election. And also we couldn't have
held the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint
Gery from ICANN staff.<br>
><br>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the
ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).<br>
><br>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list
of votes cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted
correctly.<br>
><br>
> Thank you all!<br>
> Robin<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> <br>
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Reply-To: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <[log in to unmask]>
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From: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <[log in to unmask]>
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Congratulations are in order. All the best to the new team!
2013/10/15, joy <[log in to unmask]>:
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> Welcome to our new Chair and congratulations to the successful
> candidates - and also to all those who stood for Council - it was really
> great to see a good selection of strong candidates and supporters of
> non-commercial users
> Best wishes
>
> Joy
>
>
>
> On 16/10/2013 4:17 a.m., Robin Gross wrote:
>> Dear NCSG Members:
>>
>> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>>
>> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's
> 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and
> Amr Elsadr.
>>
>> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone
> who voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election
> without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>>
>> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN
> meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>>
>> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes
> cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>>
>> Thank you all!
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Kenya
Skype: gracebomu
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Website: http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:16:39 +0400
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Rafik Dammak, Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, Amr Elsadr -
congratulations and best wishes in this very important mission!
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:33:58 +0100
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Thanks Robin
As much as I appreciate all the efforts, its really unfortunate that
despite the reminders, my tally could not be sent by Glen.
Congrats to all the winners.
Remmy Nweke
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
> Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election witho=
ut
> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meetin=
g
> in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cas=
t
> (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>
>
>
> ** **
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Thanks Robin<br></div>As much as I apprecia=
te all the efforts, its really unfortunate that despite the reminders, my t=
ally could not be sent by Glen.<br><br></div>Congrats to all the winners.<b=
r>
</div>Remmy Nweke<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr=
"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">robin@ipjust=
ice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dea=
r NCSG Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results a=
re back and attached to this email.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =A0 Als=
o congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwac=
hter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div><div><br></div><div>A deep thank=
s to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who voted in the el=
ection. =A0And also we couldn't have held the election without the tire=
less assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
e:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-=
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ear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>REMMY NWEKE, <br>Member, NIRA Executive Board<br>Lea=
d Strategist/Group Executive Editor, <br>DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd <br>
(publishers of) DigitalSENSE News <<a href=3D"http://www.digitalsensenew=
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From: marie-laure Lemineur <[log in to unmask]>
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Congratulations to Rafik, Avri, Amr and Wolfgang! I also would like to
thank all the candidates who participated in the elections. When, some of
us, are about to speak at the IGF on the contribution of civil society to
the GNSO, I am pleased to observe that one of these contributions, is that
we are promoting global participation (diversity) in the ICANN/GNSO by
nominating candidates, and now having newly-elected councillors and a
Chair, who represent regions of the world which are under- represented on
the current GNSO Council.
Finally, a big thank you to Robin, Joy and Wendy for all the hard work.
Best,
Marie-laure
Enviado desde mi iPhone.
Favor disculpar errores ortogr=E1ficos.
Sent from my IPhone.
Please excuse any spelling errors.
El 15/10/2013, a las 09:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> escribi=F3:
Dear NCSG Members:
The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
Elsadr.
A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election without
the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting
in Buenos Aires (22 November).
Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
Thank you all!
Robin
** **
<NCSG Election results October 2013.pdf>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><br></div><div>Congratulations to R=
afik, Avri, Amr and Wolfgang! I also would like to thank all the candidates=
who participated in the elections. When, some of us, =A0are about to speak=
at the IGF on the contribution of civil society to the GNSO, I am pleased =
to =A0observe that one of these contributions, is that we are promoting glo=
bal participation (diversity) in the ICANN/GNSO by nominating candidates, a=
nd now having newly-elected councillors and a Chair, who represent regions =
of the world which are under- represented on the current GNSO Council.=A0</=
div>
<div><br></div><div>Finally, a big thank you to Robin, Joy and Wendy for al=
l the hard work.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div=
>Marie-laure<br><br>Enviado desde mi iPhone.<div>Favor disculpar errores or=
togr=E1ficos.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Sent from my IPhone.</div><div>Please excuse any spelli=
ng errors.=A0</div></div><div><br>El 15/10/2013, a las 09:17, Robin Gross &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">robin@IPJUSTICE=
.ORG</a>> escribi=F3:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Dear NCSG Members:</div><div>=
<br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to th=
is email.</div><div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik =
Dammak! =A0 Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wo=
lfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, =
and everyone who voted in the election. =A0And also we couldn't have he=
ld the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from =
ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
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</u></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">
<div><NCSG Election results October 2013.pdf></div></blockquote><bloc=
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Subject: Re: Three cheers for Robin, Wendy and Joy!!!
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Dear Kathy and All,
A very heartfelt thank YOU for your kind words of support! It has been =
my honor and privilege to serve as NCSG Chair for the last 2 years. =20
And don't worry about me going anywhere, I'm just getting warmed up... =
;-)
Thanks again,
Robin
On Oct 15, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Balleste, Roy wrote:
> +1 Thanks-a-Million!!! Robin, Wendy and Joy.
> =20
> Roy
> =20
> =20
> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =
Amr Elsadr
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:21 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Three cheers for Robin, Wendy and Joy!!!
> =20
> Absolutely. Three exceptional champions of the NCSG. You've been =
nothing short of inspirational.
> =20
> Thank you so much.
> =20
> Amr
> =20
> On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
> A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!
>=20
> Maria
> =20
>=20
> On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and =
Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the =
hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, =
unfathomable and uncountable.
>=20
> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, =
dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through =
the turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New =
gTLD Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
>=20
> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and =
inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years =
ahead!
>=20
> All the best,
> Kathy
> =20
> =20
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after-white-space; ">Dear Kathy and All,<div><br></div><div>A very =
heartfelt thank YOU for your kind words of support! It has been my =
honor and privilege to serve as NCSG Chair for the last 2 years. =
</div><div><br></div><div>And don't worry about me going anywhere, =
I'm just getting warmed up... ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks =
again,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 15, 2013, at 11:35 =
AM, Balleste, Roy wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">+1 Thanks-a-Million!!!<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Robin, Wendy =
and Joy.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Roy<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"border-right-style: =
none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: =
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Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>NCSG-Discuss =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amr =
Elsadr<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, October 15, 2013 =
2:21 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">[log in to unmask]</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Three =
cheers for Robin, Wendy and =
Joy!!!<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Absolutely. Three =
exceptional champions of the NCSG. You've been nothing short of =
inspirational.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thank you so =
much.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Amr<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:36 =
PM, Maria Farrell <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; ">A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">Maria<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 15 October 2013 18:27, =
Kathy Kleiman <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our =
departing Chair and Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care =
you have devoted, the hours from work, family and sleep you have =
dedicated is innumerable, unfathomable and uncountable.<br><br>To Robin, =
in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, dynamic and =
unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the turbulent =
times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD Applicant =
Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.<br><br>Hopefully, you =
will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and inspirations. =
We need your leadership in the days, months and years =
ahead!<br><br>All the best,<br>Kathy<o:p></o:p></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div><=
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:02:08 -0400
Reply-To: "Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google" <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: "Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 2013 NCSG Annual Election Results
X-To: marie-laure Lemineur <[log in to unmask]>
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Congratulations to all who participated - welcome and best wishes to the
incoming - sincerest thanks to the outgoing.
/t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:05 PM, marie-laure Lemineur
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
> Congratulations to Rafik, Avri, Amr and Wolfgang! I also would like to
> thank all the candidates who participated in the elections. When, some of
> us, are about to speak at the IGF on the contribution of civil society t=
o
> the GNSO, I am pleased to observe that one of these contributions, is th=
at
> we are promoting global participation (diversity) in the ICANN/GNSO by
> nominating candidates, and now having newly-elected councillors and a
> Chair, who represent regions of the world which are under- represented on
> the current GNSO Council.
>
> Finally, a big thank you to Robin, Joy and Wendy for all the hard work.
>
> Best,
>
> Marie-laure
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone.
> Favor disculpar errores ortogr=E1ficos.
>
> Sent from my IPhone.
> Please excuse any spelling errors.
>
> El 15/10/2013, a las 09:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> escribi=F3:
>
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
> Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election witho=
ut
> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meetin=
g
> in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cas=
t
> (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
>
>
>
> ** **
>
> <NCSG Election results October 2013.pdf>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Congratulations to all who participated - welcome and best=
wishes to the incoming - sincerest thanks to the outgoing.=A0<div><br></di=
v><div>/t<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br>
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:05 PM,=
marie-laure Lemineur <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mllemineur@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><br></div><div>Congratulations to R=
afik, Avri, Amr and Wolfgang! I also would like to thank all the candidates=
who participated in the elections. When, some of us, =A0are about to speak=
at the IGF on the contribution of civil society to the GNSO, I am pleased =
to =A0observe that one of these contributions, is that we are promoting glo=
bal participation (diversity) in the ICANN/GNSO by nominating candidates, a=
nd now having newly-elected councillors and a Chair, who represent regions =
of the world which are under- represented on the current GNSO Council.=A0</=
div>
<div><br></div><div>Finally, a big thank you to Robin, Joy and Wendy for al=
l the hard work.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div=
>Marie-laure<br><br>Enviado desde mi iPhone.<div>Favor disculpar errores or=
togr=E1ficos.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Sent from my IPhone.</div><div>Please excuse any spelli=
ng errors.=A0</div></div><div><br>El 15/10/2013, a las 09:17, Robin Gross &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">robin@IPJUSTICE=
.ORG</a>> escribi=F3:<br>
<br></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Dear N=
CSG Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results are =
back and attached to this email.</div><div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG&=
#39;s new chair, Rafik Dammak! =A0 Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elec=
ted GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, =
and everyone who voted in the election. =A0And also we couldn't have he=
ld the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from =
ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:14:06 -0400
Reply-To: Wendy Seltzer <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Wendy Seltzer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Three cheers for Robin, Wendy and Joy!!!
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Thanks Kathy and all for your support over the years for NCSG work.
Like Robin, I doubt I'll escape far!
- --Wendy
On 10/15/2013 05:18 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Dear Kathy and All,
>
> A very heartfelt thank YOU for your kind words of support! It has
> been my honor and privilege to serve as NCSG Chair for the last 2
> years.
>
> And don't worry about me going anywhere, I'm just getting warmed
> up... ;-)
>
> Thanks again, Robin
>
> On Oct 15, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Balleste, Roy wrote:
>
>> +1 Thanks-a-Million!!! Robin, Wendy and Joy.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>>
>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Amr Elsadr Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:21 PM To:
>> [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Three
>> cheers for Robin, Wendy and Joy!!!
>>
>> Absolutely. Three exceptional champions of the NCSG. You've been
>> nothing short of inspirational.
>>
>> Thank you so much.
>>
>> Amr
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Maria Farrell
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> A huge plus one to Kathy's thanks!
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>> On 15 October 2013 18:27, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote: A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing
>> Chair and Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have
>> devoted, the hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated
>> is innumerable, unfathomable and uncountable.
>>
>> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing,
>> unceasing, dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have
>> made it through the turbulent times without you. That there is
>> any balance in the New gTLD Applicant Guidebook at all is a
>> tribute to your leadership.
>>
>> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and
>> inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and
>> years ahead!
>>
>> All the best, Kathy
>>
>>
>
>
- --
Wendy Seltzer -- [log in to unmask] +1 617.863.0613
Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project
http://wendy.seltzer.org/
https://www.chillingeffects.org/
https://www.torproject.org/
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:35:28 +1100
Reply-To: David Cake <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: David Cake <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Three cheers for Robin, Wendy and Joy!!!
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It has been a pleasure and a privilege to work with Robin and Wendy and =
Joy, and I'm proud to call them friends as well as colleagues.=20
I certainly hope we will see a lot more of all three of them in some =
capacity or other.=20
Cheers
David
On 16/10/2013, at 4:27 AM, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and =
Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the =
hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, =
unfathomable and uncountable.
>=20
> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, =
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the turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New =
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>=20
> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and =
inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years =
ahead!
>=20
> All the best,
> Kathy
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They have been beacons of hope in an otherwise desparate world.
Salute yee our champions!
[Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or
unintended typos]
On Oct 15, 2013 8:27 PM, "Kathy Kleiman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and
> Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the hours
> from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, unfathomable
> and uncountable.
>
> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing,
> dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the
> turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD
> Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
>
> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and
> inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!
>
> All the best,
> Kathy
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<p>They have been beacons of hope in an otherwise desparate world.</p>
<p>Salute yee our champions!</p>
<p>[Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or =
unintended typos]</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2013 8:27 PM, "Kathy Kleiman&quo=
t; <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=
> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and Councilm=
en! =A0The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the hours from w=
ork, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, unfathomable and u=
ncountable.<br>
<br>
To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, dynam=
ic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through the t=
urbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New gTLD Appli=
cant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.<br>
<br>
Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and inspirati=
ons. =A0We need your leadership in the days, months and years ahead!<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Kathy<br>
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Typing fast, I of course meant also to say thanks to Robin as well!
BD
On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:13 PM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi
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> +1 Congrats to Rafik and the Council 3, and thanks to the departing =
Councilors as well.
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> Best,
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> Bill
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> On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
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>> Wow, congratulations to Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all =
the candidates who put their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had =
such a deep field.
>>=20
>> Looking forward to working with our new and returning Councillors!
>>=20
>> Best wishes, Maria
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 15 October 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Dear NCSG Members:
>>=20
>> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>>=20
>> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's =
3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and =
Amr Elsadr. =20
>>=20
>> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone =
who voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election =
without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>>=20
>> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN =
meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>>=20
>> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes =
cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>>=20
>> Thank you all!
>> Robin
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> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,=20
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
> www.williamdrake.org
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Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
University of Zurich, Switzerland
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">Typing fast, I of course meant also to say thanks to Robin as =
well!<div><br></div><div>BD</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 15, 2013, at =
7:13 PM, William Drake <<a =
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">Hi<div><br></div><div>+1 Congrats to Rafik and the Council 3, and =
thanks to the departing Councilors as =
well.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><d=
iv><br><div><div>On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Wow, congratulations to =
Wolfgang, Avri and Amr and big thanks to all the candidates who put =
their hats in the ring. We are lucky to have had such a deep =
field.<br><br></div>Looking forward to working with our new and =
returning Councillors!<br>
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2013 16:17, Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dear NCSG =
Members:</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG annual election results are =
back and attached to this email.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! =
Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang =
Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =
</div><div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, =
the nominators, and everyone who voted in the election. And also =
we couldn't have held the election without the tireless assistance of =
Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the =
conclusion of the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 =
November).</div><div><br></div><div>Voters can check their individual =
ballot ID against the list of votes cast (attached) to verify that their =
vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you =
all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><blockquo=
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Reply-To: Tamir Israel <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Three cheers for Robin, Wendy and Joy!!!
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Hi,
As a lurker, I'd like to add my hearty thanks to Robin, Wendy and Joy as
well for all their hard work and dedication. Look forward to
(hopefully!) working more with each of you in the future!
Best,
Tamir
On 10/15/2013 1:27 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and
> Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the
> hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable,
> unfathomable and uncountable.
>
> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing,
> dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through
> the turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New
> gTLD Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
>
> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and
> inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years
> ahead!
>
> All the best,
> Kathy
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nt; font-style: normal;"><span>Thanks</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(=
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ica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-sty=
le: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font=
-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luci=
da Grande,Sans-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><=
span>Hago Dafalla</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:=
16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Gra=
nde,Sans-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>S=
udan<br></span></div><div style=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted">=
<br> <br> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvet=
ica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div
style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Luc=
ida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"=
Arial" size=3D"2"> On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:18, William Drake <=
[log in to unmask]> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_con=
tainer"><div id=3D"yiv9174574057"><div>Typing fast, I of course meant also =
to say thanks to Robin as well!<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>BD</div><=
div class=3D"yiv9174574057yqt4358726843" id=3D"yiv9174574057yqt38933"><div>=
<br clear=3D"none"><div><div>On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:13 PM, William Drake <=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"=
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
h</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv9174574057Apple-interchange-newline" =
clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite"></blockquote></div></div></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"yiv9174574057yqt4358726843" id=3D"yiv9174574057yqt76124"><=
div><div
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">Hi<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>+1 Co=
ngrats to Rafik and the Council 3, and thanks to the departing Councilors a=
s well.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Best,</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>Bill</div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div>On Oct 15,=
2013, at 5:32 PM, Maria Farrell <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:ma=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:</div><br clas=
s=3D"yiv9174574057Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none"><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Wow, congratulations to Wolfgang, Avr=
i and Amr and big thanks to all the candidates who put their hats in the ri=
ng. We are lucky to have had such a deep field.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div>Looking forward to working with our new and returning Counc=
illors!<br clear=3D"none">=0A<br clear=3D"none"></div>Best wishes, Maria<br=
clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv9174574057gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9174574057gmail_quote">On 15 Octo=
ber 2013 16:17, Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br cl=
ear=3D"none">=0A<blockquote class=3D"yiv9174574057gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style=3D"=
word-wrap:break-word;"><div>Dear NCSG Members:</div><div><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div>The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this =
email.</div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new ch=
air, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Coun=
cilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. </div><div=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the n=
ominators, and everyone who voted in the election. And also we couldn=
't have held the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint =
Gery from ICANN staff.</div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>The term =
for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meeting in Buenos=
Aires (22 November).</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Voters can ch=
eck their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast (attached) to=
verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br clear=3D"none">=
</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none"><div><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma=
l;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal=
;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"></span><div lang=3D"FR-BE">=0A<div><di=
v style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.=
0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u=
></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">=0A<div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D=
"border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-vari=
ant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-si=
ze:medium;"></span><div lang=3D"FR-BE">=0A</div></blockquote></div><br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div>=0A</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"none"><div>=0A<div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Palatino;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-w=
eight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent=
:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;word-=
wrap:break-word;"><div style=3D"font-family:Palatino;font-size:medium;font-=
style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;l=
ine-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space=
:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;"><div style=3D"font=
-family:Palatino;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;fon=
t-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-ind=
ent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;wo=
rd-wrap:break-word;">******************************************************=
****<br clear=3D"none">William J. Drake<br clear=3D"none">International Fel=
low & Lecturer<br clear=3D"none"> Media
Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br clear=3D"none"> Unive=
rsity of Zurich, Switzerland<br clear=3D"none">Chair, Noncommercial&nb=
sp;Users Constituency, <br clear=3D"none"> ICANN, <a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ncuc.org/">www.nc=
uc.org</a><br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:william.drake=
@uzh.ch">[log in to unmask]</a> (w), <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:w=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> (h),<br clear=3D"none"> <a re=
l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.williamd=
rake.org/">www.williamdrake.org</a><br clear=3D"none">*********************=
**************************************</div></div></div>=0A</div>=0A<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div>=0A<div style=3D"color:rgb(=
0, 0, 0);font-family:Palatino;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orpha=
ns:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-s=
pacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;"><div style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-fam=
ily:Palatino;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-we=
ight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:=
0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;word-w=
rap:break-word;"><div style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Palatino;font=
-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;lette=
r-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transfor=
m:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;">=
**********************************************************<br clear=3D"none=
">William J. Drake<br clear=3D"none">International
Fellow & Lecturer<br clear=3D"none"> Media Change &&nbs=
p;Innovation Division, IPMZ<br clear=3D"none"> University of Zurich,&=
nbsp;Switzerland<br clear=3D"none">Chair, Noncommercial Users Constitu=
ency, <br clear=3D"none"> ICANN, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"re=
ct" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ncuc.org/">www.ncuc.org</a><br cle=
ar=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:william.dr=
[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">william.=
[log in to unmask]</a> (w), <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"=
>[log in to unmask]</a> (h),<br clear=3D"none"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.williamdrake.org/">www.wi=
lliamdrake.org</a><br clear=3D"none">**************************************=
*********************</div></div></div>=0A</div>=0A<br clear=3D"none"></div=
></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>
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@Moui via Tab=99
On Oct 15, 2013 10:23 PM, "Robin Gross" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear NCSG Members:
>
> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>
> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr
> Elsadr.
>
> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election witho=
ut
> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>
> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN meetin=
g
> in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>
> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cas=
t
> (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>
> Thank you all!
> Robin
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Congrats to all</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">@Moui via Tab=99</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2013 10:23 PM, "Robin Gross"=
; <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wr=
ote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dear NCSG Members:</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this em=
ail.</div><div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Damma=
k! =A0 Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgan=
g Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, =
and everyone who voted in the election. =A0And also we couldn't have he=
ld the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from =
ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
host world event on Internet governance in 2014
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Hello,
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Mawaki Chango <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
<snip>
>
> 4. Lastly, please note that a more substantive document (including CS
> proposed agenda) coming out of Bali should be addressed to both President
> Rousseff and Chair & CEO Chehade.
>
>
Apologies for the cross-post.
I'll take no position on the IGC crafting a letter. But moving beyond
asserting civ soc's intention to shape the agenda of the Rio event and to
Mawaki's last point, the IGP has posted some ideas for a proposed agenda.
It includes specific, executable steps that can be taken to move ICANN away
from unilateral oversight:
http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/16/a-blueprint-for-the-future-ove=
rsight-of-icann/
---------------------------------------
Brenden Kuerbis
Internet Governance Project
http://internetgovernance.org
> Thanks,
>
> Mawaki
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Anja Kovacs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > I do want to
>> > make it explicit, however, that this has not changed my stance and
>> > that I remain as unconvinced of these arguments as before.
>>
>> *nod* You have made your view on this abundantly clear.
>>
>> > Let me maybe use this opportunity, though, to add two more points
>> > about the process. Many might decide to keep quiet on the consensus
>> > call for the proposed statement, but as so many people have expressed
>> > discomfort about the statement during the past two days, I think it
>> > would be quite the fallacy to think that 'consensus' has ever been
>> > reached on this even if nobody stops this initiative.
>>
>> The precise definition of =E2=80=9Cconsensus=E2=80=9D is =E2=80=9Clack o=
f sustained opposition=E2=80=9D.
>> That is what it means, not more, not less. If some people are strongly
>> in favor and no-one is sufficiently strongly opposed to sustain
>> opposition (and depending on the circumstances possibly spend political
>> capital in doing so), in a consensus process that results in a decision
>> in favor.
>>
>> Expressions of discomfort are politically safe, in the sense of not
>> expending political capital, precisely because they don't prevent a
>> consensus decision from being reached.
>>
>> If =E2=80=9Cconsensus=E2=80=9D meant that every single person has to be =
in favor, most
>> organizations that use consensus-based decision processes would never
>> reach any decisions.
>>
>> > we are effectively working against each other here.
>>
>> Unless you mean what may possibly have been an implied demand in some of
>> the postings, that IGC should shut up because BestBits is going to
>> discuss the topic at the upcoming meeting and then take some action, I
>> strongly disagree with the view that =E2=80=9Cwe are effectively working
>> against each other here=E2=80=9D.
>>
>> In my view, the proposed letter of IGC and whoever else will co-sign it
>> does not in any way reduce the effectiveness of the planned BestBits
>> action. Quite on the contrary, in my view, without the first letter it
>> could very easily be the case that by the time of the BestBits letter it
>> could be too late and the entire action might be ineffective. I do
>> understand that you see and/or weigh the risks differently.
>>
>> > I wanted to thank Mawaki, therefore, for his efforts to find an
>> > alternative. If that could be a solution for all
>>
>> No, that is not a solution at all from my perspective, and since I've
>> already explained the reasons in detail why I think that the present
>> letter needs to be addressed to President Rousseff, I'll not repeat
>> them again.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Norbert
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Hello,<br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Mawaki Chango <span dir=3D"ltr">=
<<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]
com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><snip>=C2=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;b=
order-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<div><br></div><div>4. Lastly, please note that a more substantive document=
(including CS proposed agenda) coming out of Bali should be addressed to b=
oth President Rousseff and=C2=A0Chair & CEO Chehade.</div><div><br></di=
v>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>Apologies for the cross-p=
ost.</div><div><br></div>I'll take no position on the IGC crafting a le=
tter. But moving beyond asserting civ soc's intention to shape the agen=
da of the Rio event and to Mawaki's last point, the IGP has posted some=
ideas for a proposed agenda. It includes specific, executable steps that c=
an be taken to move ICANN away from unilateral oversight:</div>
<div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/=
10/16/a-blueprint-for-the-future-oversight-of-icann/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/16/a-blueprint-for-the-future-oversi=
ght-of-icann/</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div>-----------=
----------------------------<br>Brenden Kuerbis<br>Internet Governance Proj=
ect<br><a href=3D"http://internetgovernance.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://=
internetgovernance.org</a></div>
</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v><div>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Mawaki =C2=A0</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">=
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> w=
rote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-s=
tyle:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>Anja Kovacs <<a=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">anja@internetd=
emocracy.in</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I do want to<br>
> make it explicit, however, that this has not changed my stance and<br>
> that I remain as unconvinced of these arguments as before.<br>
<br>
</div>*nod* You have made your view on this abundantly clear.<br>
<div><br>
> Let me maybe use this opportunity, though, to add two more points<br>
> about the process. Many might decide to keep quiet on the consensus<br=
>
> call for the proposed statement, but as so many people have expressed<=
br>
> discomfort about the statement during the past two days, I think it<br=
>
> would be quite the fallacy to think that 'consensus' has ever =
been<br>
> reached on this even if nobody stops this initiative.<br>
<br>
</div>The precise definition of =E2=80=9Cconsensus=E2=80=9D is =E2=80=9Clac=
k of sustained opposition=E2=80=9D.<br>
That is what it means, not more, not less. If some people are strongly<br>
in favor and no-one is sufficiently strongly opposed to sustain<br>
opposition (and depending on the circumstances possibly spend political<br>
capital in doing so), in a consensus process that results in a decision<br>
in favor.<br>
<br>
Expressions of discomfort are politically safe, in the sense of not<br>
expending political capital, precisely because they don't prevent a<br>
consensus decision from being reached.<br>
<br>
If =E2=80=9Cconsensus=E2=80=9D meant that every single person has to be in =
favor, most<br>
organizations that use consensus-based decision processes would never<br>
reach any decisions.<br>
<div><br>
> we are effectively working against each other here.<br>
<br>
</div>Unless you mean what may possibly have been an implied demand in some=
of<br>
the postings, that IGC should shut up because BestBits is going to<br>
discuss the topic at the upcoming meeting and then take some action, I<br>
strongly disagree with the view that =E2=80=9Cwe are effectively working<br=
>
against each other here=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
In my view, the proposed letter of IGC and whoever else will co-sign it<br>
does not in any way reduce the effectiveness of the planned BestBits<br>
action. Quite on the contrary, in my view, without the first letter it<br>
could very easily be the case that by the time of the BestBits letter it<br=
>
could be too late and the entire action might be ineffective. I do<br>
understand that you see and/or weigh the risks differently.<br>
<div><br>
> I wanted to thank Mawaki, therefore, for his efforts to find an<br>
> alternative. If that could be a solution for all<br>
<br>
</div>No, that is not a solution at all from my perspective, and since I=
9;ve<br>
already explained the reasons in detail why I think that the present<br>
letter needs to be addressed to President Rousseff, I'll not repeat<br>
them again.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
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Big thank you for all your dedication and work!
Des
--
On 16 Oct 2013, at 06:35, David Cake wrote:
> It has been a pleasure and a privilege to work with Robin and Wendy =
and Joy, and I'm proud to call them friends as well as colleagues.=20
> I certainly hope we will see a lot more of all three of them in some =
capacity or other.=20
>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> David
>=20
> On 16/10/2013, at 4:27 AM, Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
>=20
>> A huge thank you to Robin, Wendy and Joy - our departing Chair and =
Councilmen! The time you have spent, the care you have devoted, the =
hours from work, family and sleep you have dedicated is innumerable, =
unfathomable and uncountable.
>>=20
>> To Robin, in particular, your leadership has been amazing, unceasing, =
dynamic and unyielding. I don't know how we would have made it through =
the turbulent times without you. That there is any balance in the New =
gTLD Applicant Guidebook at all is a tribute to your leadership.
>>=20
>> Hopefully, you will all remain as advisers, guides, advocates and =
inspirations. We need your leadership in the days, months and years =
ahead!
>>=20
>> All the best,
>> Kathy
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Subject: Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event
on Internet governance in 2014
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I'm glad to see Fadi interested in IG in light of NSA spying. I'm still=20
predicting that world givernment is going to arise out of ICANN.
On 10/9/2013 3:08 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> Dear Avri, see for yourself -- watch the video with Fadi's interview
> minutes after his meeting with the Presidenta:
>
> http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-go=
vernanca-da-internet-em-2014/
>
> [] fraterno
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 10/09/2013 07:02 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN ha=
s just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed =
other organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, j=
ust as long as it is multistakeholder?
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Oct 2013, at 17:46, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>
>>> [sorry for possible duplicate posts]
>>>
>>> Dear people
>>>
>>> Here is the Google Translate English version (I did some editing) of =
the
>>> official report on the meeting between President Rousseff and ICANN's
>>> President and CEO Fadi Chehad=E9, which just happened.
>>>
>>> The original version in Brazilian Portuguese is at the end.
>>>
>>> fraternal regards
>>>
>>> --c.a.
>>>
>>> http://convergenciadigital.uol.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?in=
foid=3D35107&sid=3D4&utm_source=3Dtwitterfeed&utm_medium=3Dtwitter#.UlXEb=
bOm1q8
>>>
>>> Brazil will host world event on Internet governance
>>>
>>> From the editor :: Converg=EAncia Digital :: 09/10/2013
>>>
>>> Brazil will host the meeting in 2014 to discuss the necessary changes=
to
>>> Internet governance. After meeting with the president of the Internet
>>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann, its acronym in
>>> English), Fadi Chehad=E9, President Dilma Rousseff agreed to meet glo=
bal
>>> leaders from different sectors interested in the topic.
>>>
>>> According to Chehad=E9, the world counts on Brazil's leadership on th=
is
>>> issue, after President Dilma Rousseff spoke at the opening of the 68t=
h
>>> UN General Assembly, held in September in the United States. "The wor=
ld
>>> heard the Brazilian president, who spoke with deep conviction, with
>>> great courage, and expressed the frustration that many people around =
the
>>> world feel about the fact that the trust relationship we have with th=
e
>>> Internet had been broken,"said, revealing that the speech by Dilma wa=
s
>>> the motivation of his proposal for their meeting.
>>>
>>> Chehad=E9 cited allegations of espionage involving the communication =
of
>>> Brazilian authorities and citizens, among them the very president,
>>> Petrobras and the Ministry of Mines and Energy. "I came to ask the
>>> president to elevate her leadership to a new level, to ensure that we
>>> can all get together around a new model of governance in which all ar=
e
>>> equal," he said. The president of Icann said that future decisions on
>>> how leaders can manage the internet should be based on the principles=
of
>>> the Civil Rights Framework for the Internet in Brazil which is going
>>> through the National Congress.
>>>
>>> Fadi Chehad=E9 was yesterday (Oct.7th) with Communications Minister P=
aulo
>>> Bernardo, to ask for help from Brazil to start discussions about chan=
ges
>>> in the governance of the Internet, and said that the arrangements sho=
uld
>>> begin this year. According to him, the need for a new governing body =
of
>>> the Internet requires the involvement of multiple actors, not just th=
e
>>> government.
>>>
>>> "I understand that the internet has a new feature that requires activ=
e
>>> participation by governments, their respective agencies within the
>>> United Nations, but also in the context of users, civil society, the
>>> technicians, who after all make the Internet work," Chehad=E9 defende=
d.
>>> For the president of the corporation, academics and industrialists ne=
ed
>>> to participate in the debate, as they reflect on rights and carry out
>>> the management of the Internet infrastructure.
>>>
>>> The president of Icann said telecommunications companies must also
>>> attend the conference."They are integral part of the family with whic=
h
>>> we must work," he said. According to Paulo Bernardo, President Dilma
>>> agreed that changes in network governance must occur multilaterally a=
nd
>>> with the participation of all actors who engage the internet, and sai=
d
>>> that "we must not allow economic, political and religious interests t=
o
>>> interfere in the free circulation of ideas." The minister said that t=
he
>>> suggestion of the president is that the event be held in April 2014 i=
n
>>> Rio de Janeiro.
>>>
>>> Source : Ag=EAncia Brazil
>>>
>>> -------- original in pt-br -------------
>>>
>>> O Brasil vai sediar em 2014 o encontro para discutir as mudan=E7as
>>> necess=E1rias para a governan=E7a da internet. Ap=F3s se encontrar co=
m o
>>> presidente da Corpora=E7=E3o da Internet para Atribui=E7=E3o de Nomes=
e N=FAmeros
>>> (Icann, na sigla em ingl=EAs), Fadi Chehad=E9, a presidenta Dilma Rou=
sseff
>>> concordou em reunir l=EDderes globais de diferentes setores interessa=
dos
>>> no tema.
>>>
>>> De acordo com Chehad=E9, o mundo conta com a lideran=E7a brasileira n=
esta
>>> quest=E3o, depois que a Presidenta Dilma Rousseff discursou na abertu=
ra da
>>> 68=AA Assembleia Geral da ONU, ocorrida em setembro nos Estados Unido=
s. =93O
>>> mundo ouviu a Presidenta brasileira, que falou com profunda convic=E7=
=E3o,
>>> com muita coragem, e externou a frustra=E7=E3o que muitas pessoas, em=
todo
>>> mundo, sentiam com o fato de que a confian=E7a havia sido quebrada qu=
e
>>> temos com rela=E7=E3o =E0 internet=94, disse, revelando que o discurs=
o de Dilma
>>> foi a motiva=E7=E3o da sua proposta para o encontro.
>>>
>>> Chehad=E9 citou as den=FAncias de espionagem envolvendo a comunica=E7=
=E3o de
>>> autoridades e cidad=E3os brasileiros, dentre eles a pr=F3pria preside=
nta, a
>>> Petrobras e o Minist=E9rio de Minas e Energia. =93Vim solicitar =E0 p=
residenta
>>> que elevasse sua lideran=E7a a um novo n=EDvel, de modo a assegurar q=
ue
>>> todos possamos nos reunir em torno de um novo modelo de governan=E7a,=
em
>>> que todos sejamos iguais=94, afirmou. O presidente da Icann disse que=
as
>>> futuras decis=F5es sobre como os l=EDderes poder=E3o gerir a internet=
devem
>>> ter como base os princ=EDpios do marco civil brasileiro, que tramita =
no
>>> Congresso Nacional.
>>>
>>> Fadi Chehad=E9 esteve anteontem (7) com o ministro das Comunica=E7=F5=
es, Paulo
>>> Bernardo, a fim de pedir ajuda do Brasil para iniciar os debates sobr=
e
>>> mudan=E7as na governan=E7a da internet, e disse que as articula=E7=F5=
es devem
>>> come=E7ar este ano. Segundo ele, a necessidade de um novo =F3rg=E3o g=
estor da
>>> internet passa pela participa=E7=E3o de m=FAltiplos atores, n=E3o s=F3=
do governo.
>>>
>>> =93Entendo que a internet tem um novo recurso, que exige participa=E7=
=E3o
>>> ativa por parte dos governos, dos seus respectivos =F3rg=E3os no =E2m=
bito das
>>> Na=E7=F5es Unidas, mas tamb=E9m no =E2mbito dos usu=E1rios, da socied=
ade civil,
>>> dos t=E9cnicos, que afinal de contas fazem a internet funcionar=94, d=
efendeu
>>> Chehad=E9. Para o presidente da corpora=E7=E3o, os acad=EAmicos e ind=
ustriais
>>> precisam participar do debate, pois refletem sobre o direito e fazem =
a
>>> gest=E3o da infraestrutura da internet.
>>>
>>> O presidente da Icann disse que as empresas de telecomunica=E7=F5es d=
evem
>>> tamb=E9m participar da confer=EAncia. =93Elas s=E3o parte integrante =
da fam=EDlia
>>> com a qual precisamos trabalhar=94, afirmou. Segundo Paulo Bernardo, =
a
>>> presidenta Dilma concordou que as mudan=E7as na governan=E7a da rede =
devem
>>> ocorrer de forma multilateral e com a participa=E7=E3o de todos os at=
ores
>>> que se envolvem a internet, e disse que n=E3o se pode =93permitir que
>>> interesses econ=F4micos, pol=EDticos e religiosos interfiram na livre
>>> circula=E7=E3o das ideias=94. O ministro informou que a sugest=E3o da=
presidenta
>>> =E9 que o evento ocorra em abril de 2014 no Rio de Janeiro.
>>>
>>> fonte: Ag=EAncia Brasil
>>>
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Excellent joke !
-Jorge
> On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Marc Perkel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:=
>=20
> I'm glad to see Fadi interested in IG in light of NSA spying. I'm still pr=
edicting that world givernment is going to arise out of ICANN.
>=20
>> On 10/9/2013 3:08 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>> Dear Avri, see for yourself -- watch the video with Fadi's interview
>> minutes after his meeting with the Presidenta:
>>=20
>> http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-gove=
rnanca-da-internet-em-2014/
>>=20
>> [] fraterno
>>=20
>> --c.a.
>>=20
>>> On 10/09/2013 07:02 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has j=
ust agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other o=
rganizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as lon=
g as it is multistakeholder?
>>>=20
>>> Wow!
>>>=20
>>> avri
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On 9 Oct 2013, at 17:46, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> [sorry for possible duplicate posts]
>>>>=20
>>>> Dear people
>>>>=20
>>>> Here is the Google Translate English version (I did some editing) of th=
e
>>>> official report on the meeting between President Rousseff and ICANN's
>>>> President and CEO Fadi Chehad=C3=A9, which just happened.
>>>>=20
>>>> The original version in Brazilian Portuguese is at the end.
>>>>=20
>>>> fraternal regards
>>>>=20
>>>> --c.a.
>>>>=20
>>>> http://convergenciadigital.uol.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?info=
id=3D35107&sid=3D4&utm_source=3Dtwitterfeed&utm_medium=3Dtwitter#.UlXEbbOm1q=
8
>>>>=20
>>>> Brazil will host world event on Internet governance
>>>>=20
>>>> =46rom the editor :: Converg=C3=AAncia Digital :: 09/10/2013
>>>>=20
>>>> Brazil will host the meeting in 2014 to discuss the necessary changes t=
o
>>>> Internet governance. After meeting with the president of the Internet
>>>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann, its acronym in
>>>> English), Fadi Chehad=C3=A9, President Dilma Rousseff agreed to meet gl=
obal
>>>> leaders from different sectors interested in the topic.
>>>>=20
>>>> According to Chehad=C3=A9, the world counts on Brazil's leadership on t=
his
>>>> issue, after President Dilma Rousseff spoke at the opening of the 68th
>>>> UN General Assembly, held in September in the United States. "The world=
>>>> heard the Brazilian president, who spoke with deep conviction, with
>>>> great courage, and expressed the frustration that many people around th=
e
>>>> world feel about the fact that the trust relationship we have with the
>>>> Internet had been broken,"said, revealing that the speech by Dilma was
>>>> the motivation of his proposal for their meeting.
>>>>=20
>>>> Chehad=C3=A9 cited allegations of espionage involving the communication=
of
>>>> Brazilian authorities and citizens, among them the very president,
>>>> Petrobras and the Ministry of Mines and Energy. "I came to ask the
>>>> president to elevate her leadership to a new level, to ensure that we
>>>> can all get together around a new model of governance in which all are
>>>> equal," he said. The president of Icann said that future decisions on
>>>> how leaders can manage the internet should be based on the principles o=
f
>>>> the Civil Rights Framework for the Internet in Brazil which is going
>>>> through the National Congress.
>>>>=20
>>>> Fadi Chehad=C3=A9 was yesterday (Oct.7th) with Communications Minister P=
aulo
>>>> Bernardo, to ask for help from Brazil to start discussions about change=
s
>>>> in the governance of the Internet, and said that the arrangements shoul=
d
>>>> begin this year. According to him, the need for a new governing body of=
>>>> the Internet requires the involvement of multiple actors, not just the
>>>> government.
>>>>=20
>>>> "I understand that the internet has a new feature that requires active
>>>> participation by governments, their respective agencies within the
>>>> United Nations, but also in the context of users, civil society, the
>>>> technicians, who after all make the Internet work," Chehad=C3=A9 defend=
ed.
>>>> For the president of the corporation, academics and industrialists need=
>>>> to participate in the debate, as they reflect on rights and carry out
>>>> the management of the Internet infrastructure.
>>>>=20
>>>> The president of Icann said telecommunications companies must also
>>>> attend the conference."They are integral part of the family with which
>>>> we must work," he said. According to Paulo Bernardo, President Dilma
>>>> agreed that changes in network governance must occur multilaterally and=
>>>> with the participation of all actors who engage the internet, and said
>>>> that "we must not allow economic, political and religious interests to
>>>> interfere in the free circulation of ideas." The minister said that the=
>>>> suggestion of the president is that the event be held in April 2014 in
>>>> Rio de Janeiro.
>>>>=20
>>>> Source : Ag=C3=AAncia Brazil
>>>>=20
>>>> -------- original in pt-br -------------
>>>>=20
>>>> O Brasil vai sediar em 2014 o encontro para discutir as mudan=C3=A7as
>>>> necess=C3=A1rias para a governan=C3=A7a da internet. Ap=C3=B3s se encon=
trar com o
>>>> presidente da Corpora=C3=A7=C3=A3o da Internet para Atribui=C3=A7=C3=A3=
o de Nomes e N=C3=BAmeros
>>>> (Icann, na sigla em ingl=C3=AAs), Fadi Chehad=C3=A9, a presidenta Dilma=
Rousseff
>>>> concordou em reunir l=C3=ADderes globais de diferentes setores interess=
ados
>>>> no tema.
>>>>=20
>>>> De acordo com Chehad=C3=A9, o mundo conta com a lideran=C3=A7a brasilei=
ra nesta
>>>> quest=C3=A3o, depois que a Presidenta Dilma Rousseff discursou na abert=
ura da
>>>> 68=C2=AA Assembleia Geral da ONU, ocorrida em setembro nos Estados Unid=
os. =E2=80=9CO
>>>> mundo ouviu a Presidenta brasileira, que falou com profunda convic=C3=A7=
=C3=A3o,
>>>> com muita coragem, e externou a frustra=C3=A7=C3=A3o que muitas pessoas=
, em todo
>>>> mundo, sentiam com o fato de que a confian=C3=A7a havia sido quebrada q=
ue
>>>> temos com rela=C3=A7=C3=A3o =C3=A0 internet=E2=80=9D, disse, revelando q=
ue o discurso de Dilma
>>>> foi a motiva=C3=A7=C3=A3o da sua proposta para o encontro.
>>>>=20
>>>> Chehad=C3=A9 citou as den=C3=BAncias de espionagem envolvendo a comunic=
a=C3=A7=C3=A3o de
>>>> autoridades e cidad=C3=A3os brasileiros, dentre eles a pr=C3=B3pria pre=
sidenta, a
>>>> Petrobras e o Minist=C3=A9rio de Minas e Energia. =E2=80=9CVim solicita=
r =C3=A0 presidenta
>>>> que elevasse sua lideran=C3=A7a a um novo n=C3=ADvel, de modo a assegur=
ar que
>>>> todos possamos nos reunir em torno de um novo modelo de governan=C3=A7a=
, em
>>>> que todos sejamos iguais=E2=80=9D, afirmou. O presidente da Icann disse=
que as
>>>> futuras decis=C3=B5es sobre como os l=C3=ADderes poder=C3=A3o gerir a i=
nternet devem
>>>> ter como base os princ=C3=ADpios do marco civil brasileiro, que tramita=
no
>>>> Congresso Nacional.
>>>>=20
>>>> Fadi Chehad=C3=A9 esteve anteontem (7) com o ministro das Comunica=C3=A7=
=C3=B5es, Paulo
>>>> Bernardo, a fim de pedir ajuda do Brasil para iniciar os debates sobre
>>>> mudan=C3=A7as na governan=C3=A7a da internet, e disse que as articula=C3=
=A7=C3=B5es devem
>>>> come=C3=A7ar este ano. Segundo ele, a necessidade de um novo =C3=B3rg=C3=
=A3o gestor da
>>>> internet passa pela participa=C3=A7=C3=A3o de m=C3=BAltiplos atores, n=C3=
=A3o s=C3=B3 do governo.
>>>>=20
>>>> =E2=80=9CEntendo que a internet tem um novo recurso, que exige particip=
a=C3=A7=C3=A3o
>>>> ativa por parte dos governos, dos seus respectivos =C3=B3rg=C3=A3os no =C3=
=A2mbito das
>>>> Na=C3=A7=C3=B5es Unidas, mas tamb=C3=A9m no =C3=A2mbito dos usu=C3=A1ri=
os, da sociedade civil,
>>>> dos t=C3=A9cnicos, que afinal de contas fazem a internet funcionar=E2=80=
=9D, defendeu
>>>> Chehad=C3=A9. Para o presidente da corpora=C3=A7=C3=A3o, os acad=C3=AAm=
icos e industriais
>>>> precisam participar do debate, pois refletem sobre o direito e fazem a
>>>> gest=C3=A3o da infraestrutura da internet.
>>>>=20
>>>> O presidente da Icann disse que as empresas de telecomunica=C3=A7=C3=B5=
es devem
>>>> tamb=C3=A9m participar da confer=C3=AAncia. =E2=80=9CElas s=C3=A3o part=
e integrante da fam=C3=ADlia
>>>> com a qual precisamos trabalhar=E2=80=9D, afirmou. Segundo Paulo Bernar=
do, a
>>>> presidenta Dilma concordou que as mudan=C3=A7as na governan=C3=A7a da r=
ede devem
>>>> ocorrer de forma multilateral e com a participa=C3=A7=C3=A3o de todos o=
s atores
>>>> que se envolvem a internet, e disse que n=C3=A3o se pode =E2=80=9Cpermi=
tir que
>>>> interesses econ=C3=B4micos, pol=C3=ADticos e religiosos interfiram na l=
ivre
>>>> circula=C3=A7=C3=A3o das ideias=E2=80=9D. O ministro informou que a sug=
est=C3=A3o da presidenta
>>>> =C3=A9 que o evento ocorra em abril de 2014 no Rio de Janeiro.
>>>>=20
>>>> fonte: Ag=C3=AAncia Brasil
>>>>=20
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Congratulations to the winners.
Looking forward to work with al of you.
Cheers !
-Olevie-
2013/10/16 Poomjit Sirawongprasert <[log in to unmask]>
> Congrats to all
>
> @Moui via Tab=99
> On Oct 15, 2013 10:23 PM, "Robin Gross" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear NCSG Members:
>>
>> The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this email.
>>
>> Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Dammak! Also congrats to NCSG's 3
>> newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Am=
r
>> Elsadr.
>>
>> A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, and everyone who
>> voted in the election. And also we couldn't have held the election with=
out
>> the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from ICANN staff.
>>
>> The term for these positions begins at the conclusion of the ICANN
>> meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).
>>
>> Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes
>> cast (attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.
>>
>> Thank you all!
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> ** **
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Congratulations to the winners.<div style>Looking forward =
to work with al of you.</div><div style>Cheers !</div><div style>-Olevie-</=
div><div style><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">
2013/10/16 Poomjit Sirawongprasert <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span><br><b=
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir=3D"ltr">Congrats to all</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">@Moui via Tab=99</p><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2013 10:23 PM, "Robin Gross"=
; <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">robin@ipjust=
ice.org</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dear NCSG Members:</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The NCSG annual election results are back and attached to this em=
ail.</div><div><br></div><div>Congrats to NCSG's new chair, Rafik Damma=
k! =A0 Also congrats to NCSG's 3 newly elected GNSO Councilors: Wolfgan=
g Kleinwachter, Avri Doria, and Amr Elsadr. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>A deep thanks to the other candidates, the nominators, =
and everyone who voted in the election. =A0And also we couldn't have he=
ld the election without the tireless assistance of Glen de Saint Gery from =
ICANN staff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The term for these positions begins at the conclusion o=
f the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires (22 November).</div><div><br></div><div=
>Voters can check their individual ballot ID against the list of votes cast=
(attached) to verify that their vote was counted correctly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collaps=
e:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Ol=E9vi=E9 (Olivier) A. A. KOUAMI<br>Membre de ISoc (<a hr=
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:19:45 -0300
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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
host world event on Internet governance in 2014
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Hi, this will not be true at all. The main topic of the meeting will
probably be something like the forms and ways to achieve
pluriparticipative international Internet governance, including, as the
Presidenta said, "an international framework of civil rights for the
Internet".
The "phone list" of the Internet is just a relatively small part of this
huge challenge. If the Icann people think otherwise, they will be in for
a surprise very soon. :)
fraternal regards
--c.a.
On 10/17/2013 02:17 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
> Hi Brenden, read with interest. I particularly noted =E2=80=9CLet us al=
so not
> forget that ICANN and its oversight are the main topic of the meeting=E2=
=80=9D.
> =20
> Is there some specific background to this claim? Is this really a
> conference specifically about ICANN oversight (and if it is, do we
> really think that is a good idea given other current issues?)
> =20
> Ian Peter
> =20
> *From:* Brenden Kuerbis <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:20 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ; [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ; Mawaki Chango
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> *Cc:* mailto:[log in to unmask] ; Norbert Bollow
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ; Anja Kovacs <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil
> will host world event on Internet governance in 2014
> =20
> Hello,
>=20
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Mawaki Chango <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> <snip>
>=20
> =20
> 4. Lastly, please note that a more substantive document (including
> CS proposed agenda) coming out of Bali should be addressed to both
> President Rousseff and Chair & CEO Chehade.
> =20
>=20
> =20
> Apologies for the cross-post.
> =20
> I'll take no position on the IGC crafting a letter. But moving beyond
> asserting civ soc's intention to shape the agenda of the Rio event and
> to Mawaki's last point, the IGP has posted some ideas for a proposed
> agenda. It includes specific, executable steps that can be taken to mov=
e
> ICANN away from unilateral oversight:
> =20
> http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/16/a-blueprint-for-the-future=
-oversight-of-icann/=20
>=20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> ---------------------------------------
> Brenden Kuerbis
> Internet Governance Project
> http://internetgovernance.org <http://internetgovernance.org/>
> =20
> =20
>=20
> Thanks,
> =20
> Mawaki=20
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>=20
> Anja Kovacs <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>=20
> > I do want to
> > make it explicit, however, that this has not changed my stanc=
e and
> > that I remain as unconvinced of these arguments as before.
>=20
> *nod* You have made your view on this abundantly clear.
>=20
> > Let me maybe use this opportunity, though, to add two more po=
ints
> > about the process. Many might decide to keep quiet on the
> consensus
> > call for the proposed statement, but as so many people have
> expressed
> > discomfort about the statement during the past two days, I
> think it
> > would be quite the fallacy to think that 'consensus' has ever=
been
> > reached on this even if nobody stops this initiative.
>=20
> The precise definition of =E2=80=9Cconsensus=E2=80=9D is =E2=80=
=9Clack of sustained
> opposition=E2=80=9D.
> That is what it means, not more, not less. If some people are
> strongly
> in favor and no-one is sufficiently strongly opposed to sustain
> opposition (and depending on the circumstances possibly spend
> political
> capital in doing so), in a consensus process that results in a
> decision
> in favor.
>=20
> Expressions of discomfort are politically safe, in the sense of=
not
> expending political capital, precisely because they don't preve=
nt a
> consensus decision from being reached.
>=20
> If =E2=80=9Cconsensus=E2=80=9D meant that every single person h=
as to be in
> favor, most
> organizations that use consensus-based decision processes would
> never
> reach any decisions.
>=20
> > we are effectively working against each other here.
>=20
> Unless you mean what may possibly have been an implied demand i=
n
> some of
> the postings, that IGC should shut up because BestBits is going=
to
> discuss the topic at the upcoming meeting and then take some
> action, I
> strongly disagree with the view that =E2=80=9Cwe are effectivel=
y working
> against each other here=E2=80=9D.
>=20
> In my view, the proposed letter of IGC and whoever else will
> co-sign it
> does not in any way reduce the effectiveness of the planned Bes=
tBits
> action. Quite on the contrary, in my view, without the first
> letter it
> could very easily be the case that by the time of the BestBits
> letter it
> could be too late and the entire action might be ineffective. I=
do
> understand that you see and/or weigh the risks differently.
>=20
> > I wanted to thank Mawaki, therefore, for his efforts to find =
an
> > alternative. If that could be a solution for all
>=20
> No, that is not a solution at all from my perspective, and sinc=
e
> I've
> already explained the reasons in detail why I think that the pr=
esent
> letter needs to be addressed to President Rousseff, I'll not re=
peat
> them again.
>=20
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>=20
>=20
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:39:30 -0300
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Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host
world event on Internet governance in 2014
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Actually, no one knows details of the agenda so far, of course (and the
IGF might be a good opportunity to advance on this) -- we know only the
scope from the point of view of the BR gov as expressed by Rousseff.
frt rgds
--c.a.
On 10/17/2013 11:22 AM, John Curran wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi, this will not be true at all. The main topic of the meeting will
>> probably be something like the forms and ways to achieve
>> pluriparticipative international Internet governance, including, as the
>> Presidenta said, "an international framework of civil rights for the
>> Internet".
>>
>> The "phone list" of the Internet is just a relatively small part of this
>> huge challenge. If the Icann people think otherwise, they will be in for
>> a surprise very soon. :)
>
> I have no knowledge of what the agenda for the Rio meeting will be, but
> note that these are two distinct items in the Montevideo Statement -
>
> (1) - They identified the need for ongoing effort to address Internet Governance challenges, and agreed to catalyze community-wide efforts towards the evolution of global multistakeholder Internet cooperation.
>
> This would appear to be similar to "forms and ways to achieve
> pluriparticipative international Internet governance"
>
> (2) They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and IANA functions, towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including all governments, participate on an equal footing.
>
> This would appear to be similar to moving "ICANN away from
> unilateral oversight", as noted by Brenden.
>
> I imagine that both topics will enjoy significant discussion at
> the meeting.
>
> /John
>
> Disclaimer: My views alone. Absence of an agenda does not equate
> to lack of an agenda...
>
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At 16:22 17/10/2013, John Curran wrote:
>I have no knowledge of what the agenda for the Rio meeting will be,
>but note that these are two distinct items in the Montevideo Statement -
Dear John,
there are always two faces to a coin. I am quite glad to hear an USSH
participative opinon, our eventual decision being to join forces or not.
>(1) - They identified the need for ongoing effort to address
>Internet Governance challenges, and agreed to catalyze
>community-wide efforts towards the evolution of global
>multistakeholder Internet cooperation.
> This would appear to be similar to "forms and ways to achieve
> pluriparticipative international Internet governance"
If I had to define myself as an IUser, I would say that I am
multistakeholderist and anti-pluriparticipativist, as far as I
understand those terms. Also, I understand the concepts of the WSIS
and accept that one may lobby to refine a favorably brain washed
understanding (in keeping in mind the non-English binding versions)
but I have not the singlest idea of what "the community" may be
(except the USSH Inc.: the US StakeHolders Incorporated in Montevideo?).
A common polynym vocabulary would be of the essence for our global
world (or is it the total world? what is the adjective for "whole" as
in "the whole is larger than the sum of its parts"?)
This should be the first task for an international meeting.
>(2) They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and IANA
>functions, towards an environment in which all stakeholders,
>including all governments, participate on an equal footing.
> This would appear to be similar to moving "ICANN away from
> unilateral oversight", as noted by Brenden.
Correct:
- What USSH wants for three decades (our 1984 opposing agreement, cf.
RFC 921) is the IANA under multistakeholder cooperation on an equal
footing for every government and ... US coordinated. You know centers
in LA and Turkey and Singapore. Everyone can participate ("Public
comment periods are provided before final standards approval and
adoption" ... by USSH without appeal procedure):
pluriparticipatism!=multistakeholderism !!!
- ITU wants every Telcos too within the equal footing. Never mind, in
case we really get a conflict, the real emergency back-up root is at
Public DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4). I am ready to the end of the years
old "IANA war": http://googliana.org.
- What we want is the IANA to be under concerted multistakeholdership
on an equal footing for everyone, including you and me.
>I imagine that both topics will enjoy significant discussion at the meeting.
Be sure discussions will start before the meeting. Actually, they
have started (http://bramsummit.org).
jfc
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May I ask what part of the Internet under control of the Evil Empire is not
forwarding/routing packets and what part of the DNS is not resolving
queries ?
-J
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:33 PM, JFC Morfin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> At 16:22 17/10/2013, John Curran wrote:
>
>> I have no knowledge of what the agenda for the Rio meeting will be, but
>> note that these are two distinct items in the Montevideo Statement -
>>
>
> Dear John,
> there are always two faces to a coin. I am quite glad to hear an USSH
> participative opinon, our eventual decision being to join forces or not.
>
> (1) - They identified the need for ongoing effort to address Internet
>> Governance challenges, and agreed to catalyze community-wide efforts
>> towards the evolution of global multistakeholder Internet cooperation.
>> This would appear to be similar to "forms and ways to achieve
>> pluriparticipative international Internet governance"
>>
>
> If I had to define myself as an IUser, I would say that I am
> multistakeholderist and anti-pluriparticipativist, as far as I understand
> those terms. Also, I understand the concepts of the WSIS and accept that
> one may lobby to refine a favorably brain washed understanding (in keeping
> in mind the non-English binding versions) but I have not the singlest idea
> of what "the community" may be (except the USSH Inc.: the US StakeHolders
> Incorporated in Montevideo?).
>
> A common polynym vocabulary would be of the essence for our global world
> (or is it the total world? what is the adjective for "whole" as in "the
> whole is larger than the sum of its parts"?)
> This should be the first task for an international meeting.
>
> (2) They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and IANA
>> functions, towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including all
>> governments, participate on an equal footing.
>> This would appear to be similar to moving "ICANN away from unilateral
>> oversight", as noted by Brenden.
>>
>
> Correct:
>
> - What USSH wants for three decades (our 1984 opposing agreement, cf. RFC
> 921) is the IANA under multistakeholder cooperation on an equal footing for
> every government and ... US coordinated. You know centers in LA and Turkey
> and Singapore. Everyone can participate ("Public comment periods are
> provided before final standards approval and adoption" ... by USSH without
> appeal procedure): pluriparticipatism!=**multistakeholderism !!!
>
> - ITU wants every Telcos too within the equal footing. Never mind, in case
> we really get a conflict, the real emergency back-up root is at Public DNS
> (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4). I am ready to the end of the years old "IANA war":
> http://googliana.org.
>
> - What we want is the IANA to be under concerted multistakeholdership on
> an equal footing for everyone, including you and me.
>
> I imagine that both topics will enjoy significant discussion at the
>> meeting.
>>
>
> Be sure discussions will start before the meeting. Actually, they have
> started (http://bramsummit.org).
> jfc
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>May I ask what part of the Internet under control=
of the Evil Empire is not forwarding/routing packets and what part of the =
DNS is not resolving queries ?</div><div><br></div><div>-J</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:33 PM, JFC Mo=
rfin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_=
blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">
At 16:22 17/10/2013, John Curran wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I have no knowledge of what the agenda for the Rio meeting will be, but =A0=
note that these are two distinct items in the Montevideo Statement -<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Dear John,<br>
there are always two faces to a coin. I am quite glad to hear an USSH parti=
cipative opinon, our eventual decision being to join forces or not.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(1) =A0- They identified the need for ongoing effort to address Internet Go=
vernance challenges, and agreed to catalyze community-wide efforts towards =
the evolution of global multistakeholder Internet cooperation.<br>
=A0 =A0 This would appear to be similar to "forms and ways to achieve =
pluriparticipative international Internet governance"<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If I had to define myself as an IUser, I would say that I am multistakehold=
erist and anti-pluriparticipativist, as far as I understand those terms. Al=
so, I understand the concepts of the WSIS and accept that one may lobby to =
refine a favorably brain washed understanding (in keeping in mind the non-E=
nglish binding versions) but I have not the singlest idea of what "the=
community" may be (except the USSH Inc.: the US StakeHolders Incorpor=
ated in Montevideo?).<br>
<br>
A common polynym vocabulary would be of the essence for our global world (o=
r is it the total world? what is the adjective for "whole" as in =
"the whole is larger than the sum of its parts"?)<br>
This should be the first task for an international meeting.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(2) They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and IANA functi=
ons, towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including all govern=
ments, participate on an equal footing.<br>
=A0 =A0 This would appear to be similar to moving "ICANN away from uni=
lateral oversight", as noted by Brenden.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Correct:<br>
<br>
- What USSH wants for three decades (our 1984 opposing agreement, cf. RFC 9=
21) is the IANA under multistakeholder cooperation on an equal footing for =
every government and ... US coordinated. You know centers in LA and Turkey =
and Singapore. Everyone can participate ("Public comment periods are p=
rovided before final standards approval and adoption" ... by USSH with=
out appeal procedure): pluriparticipatism!=3D<u></u>multistakeholderism !!!=
<br>
<br>
- ITU wants every Telcos too within the equal footing. Never mind, in case =
we really get a conflict, the real emergency back-up root is at Public DNS =
(8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4). I am ready to the end of the years old "IANA wa=
r": <a href=3D"http://googliana.org" target=3D"_blank">http://googlian=
a.org</a>.<br>
<br>
- What we want is the IANA to be under concerted multistakeholdership on an=
equal footing for everyone, including you and me.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I imagine that both topics will enjoy significant discussion at the meeting=
.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Be sure discussions will start before the meeting. Actually, they have star=
ted (<a href=3D"http://bramsummit.org" target=3D"_blank">http://bramsummit.=
org</a>).<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
jfc<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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At 20:20 17/10/2013, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>May I ask what part of the Internet under control of the Evil Empire
>is not forwarding/routing packets and what part of the DNS is not
>resolving queries ?
The missing ones?
jfc
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On Thursday 17 October 2013 05:49 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:=0A=
> Hi, this will not be true at all. The main topic of the meeting will=0A=
> probably be something like the forms and ways to achieve=0A=
> pluriparticipative international Internet governance, including, as the=
=0A=
> Presidenta said, "an international framework of civil rights for the=0A=
> Internet".=0A=
>=0A=
> The "phone list" of the Internet is just a relatively small part of this=
=0A=
> huge challenge. If the Icann people think otherwise, they will be in for=
=0A=
> a surprise very soon. :)=0A=
=0A=
Yes, Carlos, but....if the community cannot come together on agreed mechani=
sms and institutions for global governance of the so-called "phone list" (r=
eally bad metaphor, by the way) how is it able to take on larger problems? =
=0A=
=0A=
In other words, if we can't do ICANN right, why should anyone think we can =
do anything else?=0A=
=0A=
I have always viewed ICANN as a test case of our capabilities for global go=
vernance, not as intrinsically interesting in itself.=0A=
=0A=
Therefore, I do not agree with more ambitious agendas - or at least, the mo=
re ambitious issues might be discussed, but only if we are able to develop =
and apply a workable solution to the more immediate and simpler problem (IC=
ANN).=0A=
=0A=
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> In other words, if we can't do ICANN right, why should anyone think we ca=
n
> do anything else?
>
> Because sobre Governan=E7a da Internet Brasil tem a maior do mundo
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At 19:09 18/10/2013, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>Yes, Carlos, but....if the community cannot come together on agreed
>mechanisms and institutions for global governance of the so-called
>"phone list" (really bad metaphor, by the way) how is it able to
>take on larger problems?
>In other words, if we can't do ICANN right, why should anyone think
>we can do anything else?
>I have always viewed ICANN as a test case of our capabilities for
>global governance, not as intrinsically interesting in itself.
Milton,
I see and agree with your point. This is precisely why the statUS-quo
is much needed: it represents an "afforable" and organized emergence
of the cyberspace intricacy for all. However, an emergence is a
dynamic form of ballance and there are two big architectonic forces
that oppose it:
1. when we designed it, the root was not to be managed that way. When
Postel and Mokapetris used it to specify and design the DNS they
known that its was an heterarchy inherited from the real world (the
then existing data neworks and monopolies) and not a hierarchy as was
their local initial NIC. This why they designed the DNS to support
35,635 roots.
2. the convenient stability provided by the status-quo was only
initially convenient. Further on it was constrain by the US
coordination. This helped the US industry but flavored it as
resulting from US influence, imposing an US vision of the network,
subject to US laws. This necessarily indusced centripetal forces.
>Therefore, I do not agree with more ambitious agendas - or at least,
>the more ambitious issues might be discussed, but only if we are
>able to develop and apply a workable solution to the more immediate
>and simpler problem (ICANN).
We all know there are alternative technically workable solutions, but
nobody knows where their work would politically lead us. As I said a
legal, political, economical, military status-quo could satisfy
everyone, but (1) it being US coordinated is an increasing problem
(2) we do not know how long the US centralizing umbrella is going to
protect us from the Internet intrinsicaly distributed architecture
and (3) if the USG reduces its centralization constraints we have no
experience of the consquences and of the alternative centralization
forces (copyrights, Google, regional interests).
This means two main questions:
- how long do we have to prepare a transition?
- a transition to what?
What I presently observe is that is precisely the time when IAB
removed itself from the responsibility of an architectural guidance
toward a better internet. As an alternative the OpenUse Montevidean
alliance (ICANN, ISOC, IETF, IAB, W3C, RIRs) adheres to a market
driven innovation (RFC 6852) without obsoleting RFC 3869 and 3935.
This can only mean one thing: an USCF leadership (or who ever manages
the US Cyber Command budget). This resumes the initial ARPA
sponsorship. Things are more complex than in 1972 or 1983, howver the
Snowden clarification show came just in time to lift some
inhibitions, confirm the dual R&D with Google and unit the OECD
Now, time has come, I think, to completely reread the Internet RFCs
from a different and more mature architectonical point of view. The
coming months are interesting as it seems that this reread will be
military based, with a focus on the security of the cyber operations theater.
This is why I would be interested in having an-online full copy of
the NATO's Tallin manual.
jfc
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Hi Milton
On Oct 19, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Therefore, I do not agree with more ambitious agendas - or at least, =
the more ambitious issues might be discussed, but only if we are able to =
develop and apply a workable solution to the more immediate and simpler =
problem (ICANN)
There's two problems with this. First, Dilma wants to talk about a =
broader agenda, and many other governments have said the same for years =
in different ways. Second, Fadi and the coalition he's coordinating =
with wants to talk about a broader agenda. Both sides have made that =
clear recently, and are unlikely to be persuaded to the contrary ex ante =
by blogs etc. Maybe if efforts to discuss the broader issues=97=97the =
holes in the gov architecture that CS has been noting since 2003=97hit a =
road block they'll collapse back to something narrowly focused on ICANN, =
but I wouldn't presume it a this point.
We're all in blue skies guessing land as to where this will go, and =
absent clear info a number of folks have been projecting their preferred =
narratives onto the space. So I will too. I start from the assumption =
we should listen to what the powers that be have been saying for quite =
some time. And what I've heard for quite some time now, is
1. A change in the AoC that removes or alters the USG roles to be at =
best a 'first among equals' in some sense, with greater encouragement to =
the GAC to step up. This has been US policy, so its adoption is not =
quite "the world turns its back on USG" and so. Question of timing and =
dynamics=97Snowden revelations obviously accelerated things in a wild =
card way that was not envisioned or desired.
2. A parallel change to the USG role in the IANA contract cutting ICANN =
looser and spinning toward GAC oversight.
3. Consideration of some sort of new multistakeholder process for =
orphaned issues etc. This could prove the hardest, as one assumes G77 =
and China will still want a UN basis, which wouldn't be congenial to =
I-orgs et al. =20
The first two pieces are easy enough to imagine, although they will be =
difficult for the USG to sell domestically. Obama hardly needs the Tea =
Party and libertarian/conservative think tanks running around =
hyperventilating about him being the "man who gave away the Internet" at =
this moment, especially before the mid-term elections. And there'd have =
to be a lot of hand holding viz. Versign and other contracted parties, =
major corporate users, US agencies, and nervous allies, to assure them =
nothing's seriously changed re: stability and security.
The third one's anyone's guess. No new IGOs has been the mantra. CSTD =
is obviously too feeble to be of any use. So something else that can =
pass muster with governments=97? And obviously, there can't be ICANN =
mission creep here, although there will probably be Fadi creep=85ICANN =
will have to be a supportive partner in some manner. I'd have preferred =
appending a working group mechanism to the IGF to strengthen its' role, =
but a lot of people remain fixed on preserving its pristine status as a =
dialogue space full stop given the no-membership problem etc.
There's also talk, e.g. Dilma, about some new multilateral overlay on =
certain issues. That too would run into standard UN divisions unless =
it's a pretty generic statement of principles. This could make =
Wolfgang's Focus Session on Principles, as well as the first FC led by =
Brazil, particularly interesting.
Cheers
Bill=
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<br><div><div>On Oct 19, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Milton L Mueller <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; =
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0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
display: inline !important; float: none; ">Therefore, I do not agree =
with more ambitious agendas - or at least, the more ambitious issues =
might be discussed, but only if we are able to develop and apply a =
workable solution to the more immediate and simpler problem =
(ICANN)</span></blockquote></div><br><div>There's two problems with =
this. First, Dilma wants to talk about a broader agenda, and many =
other governments have said the same for years in different ways. =
Second, Fadi and the coalition he's coordinating with wants to =
talk about a broader agenda. Both sides have made that clear =
recently, and are unlikely to be persuaded to the contrary ex ante by =
blogs etc. Maybe if efforts to discuss the broader issues=97=97the =
holes in the gov architecture that CS has been noting since 2003=97hit a =
road block they'll collapse back to something narrowly focused on ICANN, =
but I wouldn't presume it a this point.</div><div><br></div><div>We're =
all in blue skies guessing land as to where this will go, and absent =
clear info a number of folks have been projecting their preferred =
narratives onto the space. So I will too. I start from the =
assumption we should listen to what the powers that be have been saying =
for quite some time. And what I've heard for quite some time now, =
is</div><div><br></div><div>1. A change in the AoC that removes or =
alters the USG roles to be at best a 'first among equals' in some =
sense, with greater encouragement to the GAC to step up. This has =
been US policy, so its adoption is not quite "the world turns its back =
on USG" and so. Question of timing and dynamics=97Snowden =
revelations obviously accelerated things in a wild card way that was not =
envisioned or desired.</div><div><br></div><div>2. A parallel change to =
the USG role in the IANA contract cutting ICANN looser and spinning =
toward GAC oversight.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Consideration of =
some sort of new multistakeholder process for orphaned issues etc. =
This could prove the hardest, as one assumes G77 and China will =
still want a UN basis, which wouldn't be congenial to I-orgs et al. =
</div><div><br></div><div>The first two pieces are easy enough to =
imagine, although they will be difficult for the USG to sell =
domestically. Obama hardly needs the Tea Party and =
libertarian/conservative think tanks running around hyperventilating =
about him being the "man who gave away the Internet" at this moment, =
especially before the mid-term elections. And there'd have to be a =
lot of hand holding viz. Versign and other contracted parties, major =
corporate users, US agencies, and nervous allies, to assure them =
nothing's seriously changed re: stability and =
security.</div><div><br></div><div>The third one's anyone's guess. =
No new IGOs has been the mantra. CSTD is obviously too =
feeble to be of any use. So something else that can pass muster =
with governments=97? And obviously, there can't be ICANN mission =
creep here, although there will probably be Fadi creep=85ICANN will have =
to be a supportive partner in some manner. I'd have preferred =
appending a working group mechanism to the IGF to strengthen its' role, =
but a lot of people remain fixed on preserving its pristine status as a =
dialogue space full stop given the no-membership problem =
etc.</div><div><br></div><div>There's also talk, e.g. Dilma, about some =
new multilateral overlay on certain issues. That too would run =
into standard UN divisions unless it's a pretty generic statement of =
principles. This could make Wolfgang's Focus Session on =
Principles, as well as the first FC led by Brazil, particularly =
interesting.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>Bill=
</div></body></html>=
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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
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Bill:
This is not the time to act as the privileged insider dealing in inside bas=
eball, or as a weatherman telling us which way the prevailing winds in Gene=
va and Marina del Rey are blowing. It is an opportunity to forge our own ag=
enda.
> There's two problems with this. First, Dilma wants to talk about a broad=
er agenda, and many
> other governments have said the same for years in different ways.
> Second, Fadi and the coalition he's coordinating
I understand that the politicians involved have their own agenda, one that =
serves their interests as...politicians.
As someone with an agenda that relates more to the quality of IG institutio=
ns, I know perfectly well that it does not mesh well with what they are con=
cocting. That is precisely my point. We need to create pressure to alter th=
eir agenda in a way that can actually solve real problems and make things b=
etter, not worse.
Governments and Parminderites who think the UN or some multistakeholder ste=
w can serve as a supranational telecom regulator, security regulator, IPR r=
egulator, antitrust regulator, and regulator of any industry sector invoked=
by a domain name are frigging out of their mind. Please think seriously ab=
out what a "larger agenda" actually means.
> Maybe if efforts to discuss the broader issues--the holes in the gov arch=
itecture that
> CS has been noting since 2003
Huh? What "holes" specifically are you referring to? What you call holes so=
me of us call "freedom." And will another big confab in Rio fill those hole=
s, or dig new ones? Those are the questions we should be asking. Otherwise =
we get WSIS 2.
> I start from the assumption we should listen to what the powers that be h=
ave been
> saying for quite some time.
I most emphatically do not start from that assumption. Listening to the "po=
wers that be" and letting them set the agenda is exactly what we should NOT=
be doing.
Anyway, this didn't start from complaints from the powers that be. It start=
ed with NSA revelations and the break from USG by the I* organizations.
> And what I've heard for quite some time now, is
>
> 1. A change in the AoC that removes or alters the USG roles to be at best
> a 'first among equals' in some sense, with greater encouragement to the G=
AC to step up.
I'm astounded. Are you serious? So you are not seeking liberation from the =
dead hand of political oversight but an intensification of it?
The GAC has been 'stepping up' for the past 4 years and it has been an unmi=
tigated disaster. Even people in government are saying that. Can't name nam=
es here, but believe me, they are. They realize that arbitrary, untimely in=
terventions by a bunch of mid-level government reps who lock themselves up =
in a room and attempt to redesign bottom up-developed policy without seriou=
s interaction with CS and industry has failed miserably. And yet you call f=
or more of the same?
> 2. A parallel change to the USG role in the IANA contract cutting ICANN l=
ooser and spinning
> toward GAC oversight.
No, no, no. Who in this constituency wants "GAC oversight?" See point previ=
ous to this. How can any reasonable person call for greater GAC oversight g=
iven its record? And tell me, how is GAC oversight different from UN contro=
l or more intergovernmental control?
> 3. Consideration of some sort of new multistakeholder process for orphan=
ed issues etc.
Right, you are admitting that the "larger agenda" involves greater intergov=
ernmental control of a broader set of issues. Only you say it will be "mult=
istakeholder" - which means either amorphous talk shops a la IGF, or ITU-li=
ke interventions with desultory consultations from the rest of us.
I guess it is because the states have done such a wonderful job in the mult=
istakeholder domain name space that we would now entrust them to protect fr=
eedom of expression, network operations, network security, search engine re=
gulation, privacy regulation, etc.
> This could prove the hardest, as one assumes G77 and China will still wan=
t a UN basis, which
> wouldn't be congenial to I-orgs et al.
Understatement of the decade.
> Obama hardly needs the Tea Party and libertarian/conservative think tanks=
running
> around hyperventilating about him being the "man who gave away the Intern=
et"
> at this moment, especially before the mid-term elections.
You're out of touch with real US politics. First, you'll find more support =
for detaching USG from ICANN among libertarians than among Obama dems. Seco=
nd, tea-party nationalists are not libertarians. Third, they are focused mo=
stly on domestic issues, where they've soiled themselves badly, and insofar=
as they care about these issues, they oppose UN control, which I thought w=
e did, too. Or have you changed your mind about that? Fourth, thanks in par=
t to the blogs you dismiss and the Montevideo statement, it is becoming set=
tled wisdom that the US role needs to change. This has opened up a space th=
at we can do something with. Why would we let the "powers that be" define o=
ur agenda at this time?
> And there'd have to be a lot of hand holding viz. Versign and other contr=
acted parties,
> major corporate users, US agencies, and nervous allies, to assure them no=
thing's
> seriously changed re: stability and security.
As there should be. If you think "getting the GAC to step up" is going to f=
ly among private sector parties, you're wrong. And they are rightly suspic=
ious, as we should be, of ICANN's long-term persistent attempt to free itse=
lf of all accountability.
> The third one's anyone's guess. No new IGOs has been the mantra.
> CSTD is obviously too feeble to be of any use. So something else that ca=
n pass
> muster with governments-?
So, passing muster with governments is what defines your agenda?
I am not sure how much you are advocating a position and how much you are t=
rying to temper my proposed agenda with what you consider to be "realism" b=
ut let's decide what we think should happen first, and talk about tactics s=
econd.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size=
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D">Bill:<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is not the time to a=
ct as the privileged insider dealing in inside baseball, or as a weatherman=
telling us which way the prevailing winds in Geneva and
Marina del Rey are blowing. It is an opportunity to forge our own agenda. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>There's tw=
o problems with this. First, Dilma wants to talk about a broader agen=
da, and many
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>other gove=
rnments have said the same for years in different ways. <o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>Second, Fadi and the coalition he's coordinating <span style=3D"colo=
r:#1F497D">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I understand that the pol=
iticians involved have their own agenda, one that serves their interests as=
…politicians.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As someone with an agenda=
that relates more to the quality of IG institutions, I know perfectly well=
that it does not mesh well with what they are concocting.
That is precisely my point. We need to create pressure to alter their agen=
da in a way that can actually solve real problems and make things better, n=
ot worse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Governments and Parminder=
ites who think the UN or some multistakeholder stew can serve as a supranat=
ional telecom regulator, security regulator, IPR regulator,
antitrust regulator, and regulator of any industry sector invoked by a dom=
ain name are frigging out of their mind. Please think seriously about what =
a “larger agenda” actually means.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>Maybe if e=
fforts to discuss the broader issues——the holes in the gov arch=
itecture that
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>CS has been noting since 2003<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Huh? What “holes=
221; specifically are you referring to? What you call holes some of us call=
“freedom.” And will another big confab in Rio fill those holes=
, or
dig new ones? Those are the questions we should be asking. Otherwise we ge=
t WSIS 2.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>I start fr=
om the assumption we should listen to what the powers that be have been
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>saying for quite some time. <span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I most emphatically do no=
t start from that assumption. Listening to the “powers that be”=
and letting them set the agenda is exactly what we should NOT be doing.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anyway, this didn’t=
start from complaints from the powers that be. It started with NSA revelat=
ions and the break from USG by the I* organizations.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>And what I=
've heard for quite some time now, is<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>1. A chang=
e in the AoC that removes or alters the USG roles to be at best
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>a 'first among equals' in some sense, with greater encouragemen=
t to the GAC to step up.<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m astounded. Are =
you serious? So you are not seeking liberation from the dead hand of politi=
cal oversight but an intensification of it?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The GAC has been ‘s=
tepping up’ for the past 4 years and it has been an unmitigated disas=
ter. Even people in government are saying that. Can’t name names here=
,
but believe me, they are. They realize that arbitrary, untimely interventi=
ons by a bunch of mid-level government reps who lock themselves up in a roo=
m and attempt to redesign bottom up–developed policy without serious =
interaction with CS and industry has failed
miserably. And yet you call for more of the same? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>2. A paral=
lel change to the USG role in the IANA contract cutting ICANN looser and sp=
inning
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>toward GAC=
oversight.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No, no, no. Who in this c=
onstituency wants “GAC oversight?” See point previous to this. =
How can any reasonable person call for greater GAC oversight given its
record? And tell me, how is GAC oversight different from UN control or mor=
e intergovernmental control?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>3. C=
onsideration of some sort of new multistakeholder process for orphaned issu=
es etc.
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Right, you are admitting =
that the “larger agenda” involves greater intergovernmental con=
trol of a broader set of issues. Only you say it will be “multistakeh=
older”
– which means either amorphous talk shops a la IGF, or ITU-like inte=
rventions with desultory consultations from the rest of us.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I guess it is because the=
states have done such a wonderful job in the multistakeholder domain name =
space that we would now entrust them to protect freedom
of expression, network operations, network security, search engine regulat=
ion, privacy regulation, etc.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>This could prove the hardest, as one assumes G77 and China will stil=
l want a UN basis, which
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>wouldn't b=
e congenial to I-orgs et al. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Understatement of the dec=
ade.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>Obama hard=
ly needs the Tea Party and libertarian/conservative think tanks running
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>around hyperventilating about him being the "man who gave away =
the Internet"
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>at this moment, especially before the mid-term elections.<span style=
=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You’re out of touch=
with real US politics. First, you’ll find more support for detaching=
USG from ICANN among libertarians than among Obama dems. Second, tea-party
nationalists are not libertarians. Third, they are focused mostly on domes=
tic issues, where they’ve soiled themselves badly, and insofar as the=
y care about these issues, they oppose UN control, which I thought we did, =
too. Or have you changed your mind about
that? Fourth, thanks in part to the blogs you dismiss and the Montevideo s=
tatement, it is becoming settled wisdom that the US role needs to change. T=
his has opened up a space that we can do something with. Why would we let t=
he “powers that be” define our agenda
at this time?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">></span> And there'=
d have to be a lot of hand holding viz. Versign and other contracted partie=
s,
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>major corporate users, US agencies, and nervous allies, to assure th=
em nothing's
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>seriously changed re: stability and security.<span style=3D"color:#1=
F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As there should be. If yo=
u think “getting the GAC to step up” is going to fly among priv=
ate sector parties, you’re wrong. And they are rightly suspicio=
us,
as we should be, of ICANN’s long-term persistent attempt to free its=
elf of all accountability.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">> </span>The third =
one's anyone's guess. No new IGOs has been the mantra. <span st=
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libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>
</span>CSTD is obviously too feeble to be of any use. So something el=
se that can pass
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span>muster with governments—? <span style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So, passing muster with g=
overnments is what defines your agenda?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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lor:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">I am not sure how much yo=
u are advocating a position and how much you are trying
to temper my proposed agenda with what you consider to be “realism&#=
8221; but let’s decide what we think should happen first, and talk ab=
out tactics second.
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:09:20 +0800
Reply-To: William Drake <[log in to unmask]>
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From: William Drake <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
host world event on Internet governance in 2014
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Hi MM
> I am not sure how much you are advocating a position and how much you =
are trying to temper my proposed agenda with what you consider to be =
=93realism=94 but let=92s decide what we think should happen first, and =
talk about tactics second.
Neither. I was speculating, based on conversations with those involved =
etc, about what seems most likely to be proposed and deemed possible by =
the actors that will shape this process. =20
On Oct 19, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> =20
> Bill:
> This is not the time to act as the privileged insider dealing in =
inside baseball, or as a weatherman telling us which way the prevailing =
winds in Geneva and Marina del Rey are blowing. It is an opportunity to =
forge our own agenda.
Ok, to the ramparts, citizens! That wasn't my purpose, but fine by me =
if it's yours.
> =20
> > There's two problems with this. First, Dilma wants to talk about a =
broader agenda, and many
> > other governments have said the same for years in different ways. =20=
> > Second, Fadi and the coalition he's coordinating
> =20
> I understand that the politicians involved have their own agenda, one =
that serves their interests as=85politicians.
> =20
> As someone with an agenda that relates more to the quality of IG =
institutions, I know perfectly well that it does not mesh well with what =
they are concocting. That is precisely my point. We need to create =
pressure to alter their agenda in a way that can actually solve real =
problems and make things better, not worse.
> =20
> Governments and Parminderites who think the UN or some =
multistakeholder stew can serve as a supranational telecom regulator, =
security regulator, IPR regulator, antitrust regulator, and regulator of =
any industry sector invoked by a domain name are frigging out of their =
mind. Please think seriously about what a =93larger agenda=94 actually =
means.
Sure=85but I wasn't talking about them. The I-orgs are talking about =
the need to address "the broader agenda", which certainly wasn't the =
case pre-Snowden. It's an interesting shift.
> =20
> > Maybe if efforts to discuss the broader issues=97=97the holes in the =
gov architecture that
> > CS has been noting since 2003
> =20
> Huh? What =93holes=94 specifically are you referring to? What you call =
holes some of us call =93freedom.=94 And will another big confab in Rio =
fill those holes, or dig new ones? Those are the questions we should be =
asking. Otherwise we get WSIS 2.
If libertarians equate trying to create a mechanism to address the =
absence of effective cross-border privacy protections with a violation =
of freedom, well then here's another reason I'm not a libertarian.
> =20
> > I start from the assumption we should listen to what the powers that =
be have been
> > saying for quite some time. =20
> =20
> I most emphatically do not start from that assumption. Listening to =
the =93powers that be=94 and letting them set the agenda is exactly what =
we should NOT be doing.
See above, describing, not advocating
> =20
> Anyway, this didn=92t start from complaints from the powers that be. =
It started with NSA revelations and the break from USG by the I* =
organizations.
I'm afraid that's a figment of your fervent imagination, which I see =
some 'journalists' have been propagating across the net. Back here on =
earth, the I-orgs have been and continue to work in close coordination =
with the USG.
> =20
> > And what I've heard for quite some time now, is
> >
> > 1. A change in the AoC that removes or alters the USG roles to be at =
best
> > a 'first among equals' in some sense, with greater encouragement to =
the GAC to step up.
> =20
> I=92m astounded. Are you serious? So you are not seeking liberation =
from the dead hand of political oversight but an intensification of it?
See above II
> =20
> The GAC has been =91stepping up=92 for the past 4 years and it has =
been an unmitigated disaster. Even people in government are saying that. =
Can=92t name names here, but believe me, they are. They realize that =
arbitrary, untimely interventions by a bunch of mid-level government =
reps who lock themselves up in a room and attempt to redesign bottom =
up=96developed policy without serious interaction with CS and industry =
has failed miserably. And yet you call for more of the same?
See above, III. 'Tis not I I was reporting on.
> =20
> > 2. A parallel change to the USG role in the IANA contract cutting =
ICANN looser and spinning
> > toward GAC oversight.
> =20
> No, no, no. Who in this constituency wants =93GAC oversight?=94 See =
point previous to this. How can any reasonable person call for greater =
GAC oversight given its record? And tell me, how is GAC oversight =
different from UN control or more intergovernmental control?
It's a bit different legally and institutionally, and probably what will =
be proposed. Baking them further into ICANN vs. having some sort of =
external intergovernmental basis is obviously not an attractive choice, =
but it is what it is. Feel free to rail against it, but don't shoot the =
piano player.
> =20
> > 3. Consideration of some sort of new multistakeholder process for =
orphaned issues etc.
> =20
> Right, you are admitting that the =93larger agenda=94 involves greater =
intergovernmental control of a broader set of issues. Only you say it =
will be =93multistakeholder=94 =96 which means either amorphous talk =
shops a la IGF, or ITU-like interventions with desultory consultations =
from the rest of us.
> =20
> I guess it is because the states have done such a wonderful job in the =
multistakeholder domain name space that we would now entrust them to =
protect freedom of expression, network operations, network security, =
search engine regulation, privacy regulation, etc.
Yes, and the private sector as well
> =20
> > This could prove the hardest, as one assumes G77 and China will =
still want a UN basis, which
> > wouldn't be congenial to I-orgs et al. =20
> =20
> Understatement of the decade.
> =20
> > Obama hardly needs the Tea Party and libertarian/conservative think =
tanks running
> > around hyperventilating about him being the "man who gave away the =
Internet"
> > at this moment, especially before the mid-term elections.
> =20
> You=92re out of touch with real US politics. First, you=92ll find more =
support for detaching USG from ICANN among libertarians than among Obama =
dems.
> Second, tea-party nationalists are not libertarians.
Many say they are. They just don't get to go to the same swanky thin air =
meetings as you :-) Maybe the CATO Institute should open branches in =
the 80 Congressional districts of these wankers and ask them to put down =
the guns and have a go at Hayek.
> Third, they are focused mostly on domestic issues, where they=92ve =
soiled themselves badly, and insofar as they care about these issues, =
they oppose UN control, which I thought we did, too. Or have you changed =
your mind about that?
You are in a rather rhetorical vein here. If I point out that "losing =
the Internet" could in some way be used against Obama, I'm for UN =
control? You taking debate points from Parminder now?
> Fourth, thanks in part to the blogs you dismiss and the Montevideo =
statement, it is becoming settled wisdom that the US role needs to =
change. This has opened up a space that we can do something with. Why =
would we let the =93powers that be=94 define our agenda at this time?
I admit that I don't share your conviction that a few bloggers are =
driving the agenda of the world's governments, transnational =
corporations, I-orgs, etc. And the Montevideo statement was not the =
stab in the US back that you insist it was.
> =20
> > And there'd have to be a lot of hand holding viz. Versign and other =
contracted parties,
> > major corporate users, US agencies, and nervous allies, to assure =
them nothing's
> > seriously changed re: stability and security.
> =20
> As there should be. If you think =93getting the GAC to step up=94 is =
going to fly among private sector parties, you=92re wrong. And they are =
rightly suspicious, as we should be, of ICANN=92s long-term persistent =
attempt to free itself of all accountability.
Nobody's happy about it, but I believe major players are acknowledging =
that governments will continue to demand a greater role and are trying =
to imagine the least threatening formulations.
> =20
> > The third one's anyone's guess. No new IGOs has been the mantra. =20=
> > CSTD is obviously too feeble to be of any use. So something else =
that can pass
> > muster with governments=97? =20
> =20
> So, passing muster with governments is what defines your agenda?
See above, IV
> =20
> I am not sure how much you are advocating a position and how much you =
are trying to temper my proposed agenda with what you consider to be =
=93realism=94 but let=92s decide what we think should happen first, and =
talk about tactics second.
So why fire off a heated rhetorical response rather than ask me first?
I'm just saying, this appears to be what is what's going on. Whether =
you like or don't, want to throw bombs, whatever, that's a separate =
matter. =20
Best,
Bill
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apple-content-edited=3D"true">Hi MM<br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" =
vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(46, 117, 182); ">I am not =
sure how much you are advocating a position and how much you are trying =
to temper my proposed agenda with what you consider to be =93realism=94 =
but let=92s decide what we think should happen first, and talk about =
tactics second.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(46, 117, 182); "><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; ">Neither. I was speculating, based on conversations =
with those involved etc, about what seems most likely to be proposed and =
deemed possible by the actors that will shape this process. =
</div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><font =
color=3D"#2e75b6" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size: =
15px;"><br></span></font></div></div></div></div><div><div>On Oct 19, =
2013, at 11:26 AM, Milton L Mueller <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: =
Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">Bill:<o:p></o:p></span></a></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">This is not the time to act as the privileged =
insider dealing in inside baseball, or as a weatherman telling us which =
way the prevailing winds in Geneva and Marina del Rey are blowing. It is =
an opportunity to forge our own =
agenda.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Ok, to the =
ramparts, citizens! That wasn't my purpose, but fine by me if it's =
yours.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" =
vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: =
-webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>There's two problems =
with this. First, Dilma wants to talk about a broader agenda, and =
many<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>other governments =
have said the same for years in different ways. =
<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Second, Fadi and the =
coalition he's coordinating<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I understand that the politicians involved =
have their own agenda, one that serves their interests =
as=85politicians.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As someone with an agenda that relates more =
to the quality of IG institutions, I know perfectly well that it does =
not mesh well with what they are concocting. That is precisely my point. =
We need to create pressure to alter their agenda in a way that can =
actually solve real problems and make things better, not =
worse.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Governments and Parminderites who think the =
UN or some multistakeholder stew can serve as a supranational telecom =
regulator, security regulator, IPR regulator, antitrust regulator, and =
regulator of any industry sector invoked by a domain name are frigging =
out of their mind. Please think seriously about what a =93larger agenda=94=
actually =
means.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Sure=85bu=
t I wasn't talking about them. The I-orgs are talking about the =
need to address "the broader agenda", which certainly wasn't the case =
pre-Snowden. It's an interesting shift.<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; =
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"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Maybe if efforts to =
discuss the broader issues=97=97the holes in the gov architecture =
that<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>CS has been noting =
since 2003<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Huh? What =93holes=94 specifically are you =
referring to? What you call holes some of us call =93freedom.=94 And =
will another big confab in Rio fill those holes, or dig new ones? Those =
are the questions we should be asking. Otherwise we get WSIS =
2.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If =
libertarians equate trying to create a mechanism to address the absence =
of effective cross-border privacy protections with a violation of =
freedom, well then here's another reason I'm not a =
libertarian.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>I start from the =
assumption we should listen to what the powers that be have been<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>saying for quite =
some time. <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I most emphatically do not start from that =
assumption. Listening to the =93powers that be=94 and letting them set =
the agenda is exactly what we should NOT be =
doing.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>See =
above, describing, not advocating<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: =
Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Anyway, this didn=92t start from complaints =
from the powers that be. It started with NSA revelations and the break =
from USG by the I* =
organizations.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I=
'm afraid that's a figment of your fervent imagination, which I see some =
'journalists' have been propagating across the net. Back here on =
earth, the I-orgs have been and continue to work in close coordination =
with the USG.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; =
font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>And what I've heard =
for quite some time now, is<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>1. A change in the =
AoC that removes or alters the USG roles to be at best<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>a 'first among =
equals' in some sense, with greater encouragement to the GAC to step =
up.<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I=92m astounded. Are you serious? So you are =
not seeking liberation from the dead hand of political oversight but an =
intensification of =
it?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>See above =
II<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" =
vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: =
-webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The GAC has been =
=91stepping up=92 for the past 4 years and it has been an unmitigated =
disaster. Even people in government are saying that. Can=92t name names =
here, but believe me, they are. They realize that arbitrary, untimely =
interventions by a bunch of mid-level government reps who lock =
themselves up in a room and attempt to redesign bottom up=96developed =
policy without serious interaction with CS and industry has failed =
miserably. And yet you call for more of the =
same?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>See =
above, III. 'Tis not I I was reporting on.<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>2. A parallel change =
to the USG role in the IANA contract cutting ICANN looser and =
spinning<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>toward GAC =
oversight.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">No, no, no. Who in this =
constituency wants =93GAC oversight?=94 See point previous to this. How =
can any reasonable person call for greater GAC oversight given its =
record? And tell me, how is GAC oversight different from UN control or =
more intergovernmental =
control?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>It's =
a bit different legally and institutionally, and probably what will be =
proposed. Baking them further into ICANN vs. having some sort of =
external intergovernmental basis is obviously not an attractive choice, =
but it is what it is. Feel free to rail against it, but don't =
shoot the piano player.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; =
font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>3. =
Consideration of some sort of new multistakeholder process for =
orphaned issues etc.<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Right, you are admitting that the =93larger =
agenda=94 involves greater intergovernmental control of a broader set of =
issues. Only you say it will be =93multistakeholder=94 =96 which means =
either amorphous talk shops a la IGF, or ITU-like interventions with =
desultory consultations from the rest of us.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I guess it is because =
the states have done such a wonderful job in the multistakeholder domain =
name space that we would now entrust them to protect freedom of =
expression, network operations, network security, search engine =
regulation, privacy regulation, =
etc.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Yes, and =
the private sector as well<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: =
Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>This could prove the =
hardest, as one assumes G77 and China will still want a UN basis, =
which<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>wouldn't be =
congenial to I-orgs et al. <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(68, 84, 106); ">Understatement of the =
decade.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Obama hardly needs =
the Tea Party and libertarian/conservative think tanks running<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>around =
hyperventilating about him being the "man who gave away the =
Internet"<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>at this moment, =
especially before the mid-term elections.<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">You=92re out of touch with real US politics. =
First, you=92ll find more support for detaching USG from ICANN among =
libertarians than among Obama =
dems.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Second, tea-party =
nationalists are not libertarians. =
</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Many say they =
are. They just don't get to go to the same swanky thin air meetings as =
you :-) Maybe the CATO Institute should open branches in the 80 =
Congressional districts of these wankers and ask them to put down the =
guns and have a go at Hayek.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: =
Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Third, they are focused =
mostly on domestic issues, where they=92ve soiled themselves badly, and =
insofar as they care about these issues, they oppose UN control, which I =
thought we did, too. Or have you changed your mind about =
that?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>You are =
in a rather rhetorical vein here. If I point out that "losing the =
Internet" could in some way be used against Obama, I'm for UN control? =
You taking debate points from Parminder =
now?</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; =
font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> Fourth, thanks in part =
to the blogs you dismiss and the Montevideo statement, it is becoming =
settled wisdom that the US role needs to change. This has opened up a =
space that we can do something with. Why would we let the =93powers that =
be=94 define our agenda at this =
time?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I admit =
that I don't share your conviction that a few bloggers are driving the =
agenda of the world's governments, transnational corporations, I-orgs, =
etc. And the Montevideo statement was not the stab in the US back =
that you insist it was.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; =
font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>And there'd have to be a =
lot of hand holding viz. Versign and other contracted parties,<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>major corporate =
users, US agencies, and nervous allies, to assure them nothing's<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>seriously changed =
re: stability and security.<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As there should be. If you think =93getting =
the GAC to step up=94 is going to fly among private sector =
parties, you=92re wrong. And they are rightly suspicious, as we =
should be, of ICANN=92s long-term persistent attempt to free itself of =
all =
accountability.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
Nobody's happy about it, but I believe major players are acknowledging =
that governments will continue to demand a greater role and are trying =
to imagine the least threatening formulations.<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
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0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The third one's =
anyone's guess. No new IGOs has been the mantra. <span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>CSTD is obviously =
too feeble to be of any use. So something else that can pass<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>muster with =
governments=97? <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">So, passing muster with governments is what =
defines your =
agenda?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>See =
above, IV<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" =
vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: =
-webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"> </span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(46, 117, 182); ">I am not sure how much you are advocating a =
position and how much you are trying to temper my proposed agenda with =
what you consider to be =93realism=94 but let=92s decide what we think =
should happen first, and talk about tactics =
second.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>So why =
fire off a heated rhetorical response rather than ask me =
first?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm just saying, this appears to be what =
is what's going on. Whether you like or don't, want to throw =
bombs, whatever, that's a separate matter. =
</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><=
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:09:32 -0500
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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
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I second 100% Milton's comments and opinion on this matter.
-J
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div>I second 100% Milton's comments and opinion on this matter.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>-J</div></div>
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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
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On Oct 19, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I agree the agenda may be quite ambitious. But I think BR is aiming =
high.
As was made clear yesterday during a 2 =BD hour meeting with Fadi and =
others, inter alia global principles & new institutional mechanisms for =
orphaned issues. Not just about ICANN. Late April / early May, so as to =
not conflict with football.
Best
Bill
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask]>=20
> Date: 18-10-2013 14:09 (GMT-03:00)=20
> To: [log in to unmask],parminder =
<[log in to unmask]>,"Carlos A. Afonso" <[log in to unmask]>=20
> Cc: Ian Peter <[log in to unmask]>,Brenden Kuerbis =
<[log in to unmask]>,[log in to unmask],bestbits@l=
ists.bestbits.net=20
> Subject: RE: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil =
will host world event on Internet governance in 2014=20
>=20
>=20
> On Thursday 17 October 2013 05:49 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> > Hi, this will not be true at all. The main topic of the meeting will
> > probably be something like the forms and ways to achieve
> > pluriparticipative international Internet governance, including, as =
the
> > Presidenta said, "an international framework of civil rights for the
> > Internet".
> >
> > The "phone list" of the Internet is just a relatively small part of =
this
> > huge challenge. If the Icann people think otherwise, they will be in =
for
> > a surprise very soon. :)
>=20
> Yes, Carlos, but....if the community cannot come together on agreed =
mechanisms and institutions for global governance of the so-called =
"phone list" (really bad metaphor, by the way) how is it able to take on =
larger problems?=20
>=20
> In other words, if we can't do ICANN right, why should anyone think we =
can do anything else?
>=20
> I have always viewed ICANN as a test case of our capabilities for =
global governance, not as intrinsically interesting in itself.
>=20
> Therefore, I do not agree with more ambitious agendas - or at least, =
the more ambitious issues might be discussed, but only if we are able to =
develop and apply a workable solution to the more immediate and simpler =
problem (ICANN).
>=20
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Hello,
The IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and =
a lot of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. IGF's =
remote participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members =
around the world will be able to join us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 =
hours, so adjust the times below accordingly]
Here's what I know about. =20
Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2
WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case =
[joint between NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D249
NCUC also has two other workshops:
Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6
WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top Level Domains=20
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.=
php?xpsltipq_je=3D253
Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7
WS 282 Internet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet Governance=20=
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D282=20
In addition, Robin has this one of particular relevance
Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3
No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D129
I'm also speaking in these
Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3
WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression=20
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D357=20
Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7
WS 210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG=20
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D210=20
Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2
WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development=20
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D324=20
Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1=20
WS 212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism=20
=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D212=20
and probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops =
and focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with =
everything, perhaps those folks could share any details here=85.
Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali you can still =
participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid when you step =
out the door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, too. So I =
hope to 'see' some folks online=85
Best,
Bill
**********************************************************
William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,=20
ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>The IGF has begun here in Bali, =
and we have a pretty good contingent and a lot of stuff on the program =
that would be worth checking out. IGF's remote participation is =
always pretty good, so I hope some members around the world will be able =
to join us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 hours, so adjust =
the times below accordingly]</div><div><br></div><div>Here's what I know =
about. </div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, =
16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2<br><b>WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s =
Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case [joint between NCSG, NCUC and =
NPOC]</b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249</a><br><br><br>NCUC also =
has two other workshops:<br><br>Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room =
10, Kintamani 6<br><b>WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top =
Level =
Domains</b> <br>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_=
accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253<br><br><br>Friday October 25, =
11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 282 Internet/Telecom =
=91Convergence=92 and Global Internet =
Governance </b><br>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_20=
13_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282 </div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>In addition, Robin has this one of particular =
relevance</div><div><br></div><div>Friday October =
25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3</div><div><b>No. =
129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN =
Experience</b></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129</a></div><br><div><br =
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these</div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room =
#3 Nusa Dua Hall 3<br><b>WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free =
Expression </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357</a> <br><br><br>Thursday=
October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 210 The Technical =
Community Role in Global =
IG </b><br>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_statu=
s_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210 <br><br><br>Thursday October 24, =
16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2<br><b>WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation =
for Sustainable =
Development </b><br>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2=
013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324 <br><br><br>Friday =
October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1 <br><b>WS 212 Exploring =
the Dimensions of =
Multistakeholderism </b><br>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/wo=
rkshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212 <br><br></div><div=
>and probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops =
and focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with =
everything, perhaps those folks could share any details =
here=85.</div><div><br></div><div>Again, as with ICANN meetings, if =
you're not in Bali you can still participate=97and without being =
miserably hot and humid when you step out the door and freezing when you =
enter the convention hall, too. So I hope to 'see' some folks =
online=85</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</di=
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David,<br>
Sorry, I was traveling the last three days.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">At 04:50 19/10/2013, David
Conrad wrote:<br>
On Oct 19, 2013, at 2:00 AM, JFC Morfin <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:<br>
> 1. when we designed it,<br>
"We"?<b></b></blockquote> <br>
Those who chose the labels of the INTLFILE (now the =93root=94): Bob Treh=
in,
Joe Rinde, Mike Rude, Cees De Witt, Jim McDonald, Neil Sullivan, and me
(Oct. 1978/end 1980) plus Vida Stafford who maintained the validations
for the international network operations. Vint Cerf added others in the
ICANN/NTIA root in 2000+<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">> the root was not to b=
e
managed that way. When Postel and Mokapetris used it to specify and
design the DNS they known that its was an heterarchy inherited from the
real world (the then existing data neworks and monopolies) and not a
hierarchy as was their local initial NIC.<br>
<br>
Actually, exactly the opposite. From the introduction of RFC 819:<br>
"The intent is that the Internet names be used to form a<br>
tree-structured administrative dependent, rather than a
strictly<br>
topology dependent,
hierarchy."<b></b></blockquote> <br>
You refer yourself to the DNS and the Internet root-file, and not about
the dot-root architectonics (i.e. the =93.=94). The dot-root is a reality=
,
while the root-files are a concept. This is thirty years of confusion
with thirty five years of simplicity. Jon Postel's description of our
1984 consensus is in RF 921. It is incomplete but correct. However, the
ARPA 1972 architectonic model bug (cf. at the end) eventually led, from
1984 on, to the current misunderstanding in spite of the internet DNS
open design. T. Berner-Lee RFC 3986 (on URI) has unwillingly helped the
confusion as people keep assimilating DNS and URI.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">Until that time, Internet =
names
were indeed dependent upon "the then existing data networks"
("strictly topology dependent" hierarchy). What became the DNS
broke from that approach to create a "tree-structure administrative
dependent" with a "universal reference point" (described
in section 3 of RFC 819).<br>
<br>
> This why they designed the DNS to support 35,635 roots.<br>
Err, what?The DNS "supports" an infinite number of roots (and,
in fact, anyone who implements "split DNS" implements their own
root), however people have found that having a single consistent
namespace is the most useful for interoperability across administrative
domains. No idea where you came up with
35,635.<b></b></blockquote> <br>
A splitDNS is not the DNS.<br>
<br>
One of the typical architectonic problems of the statUS-quo followers is
to confuse what they have told one another for 40 years (here: the
"IN" "ICANN/NTIA" only class) with what they wrote
(RFCs) and developed (Bind, etc.). At the end of the day, you genuinely
believe that the former is reality and the later a bad dream.<br>
<br>
Today, the architectonical (network architecture, use, government,
economic, etc.) situation seems clear and able to be described (but not
easy to solve). The main possibilities seem to be:<br>
<br>
1. the technological status-quo is
maintained:<br>
- as the current statUS-quo:
Montevideo Statement, Keith Alexander takes R&D market lead through
the military budget - CS lip service has little influence.<br>
- as a multilateral status-quo
(ITU, Dubai signatories) - two main economic influence zones - no one
happy with it - degradation risks - CS punctual voice has no
influence.<br>
- as a conventional status-quo:
through enhanced cooperation specialized open conventions - CS may act as
an institutional moderator. NB: then multistakeholderism is
multilaterality extended to multilateral organizations and private
operators. The WSIS has extended it to the Civil Society but this one has
until now failed in contributing on the use and users=92 behalf. <br>
<br>
2. a new technological environment emerges. Up to
now, this was a per force school hypothesis due to a lack of public
awareness of the true situation. And an increasing risk of a
"Mafiosi" take-over or network balkanization as the technical
development is very limited (but beyond my own single time availability).
Snowden has helped already a lot, but we still blame those who protect us
rather than blaming our own vulnerability and stupidity (as people we
have never depended more on technology and be less interested in the way
it works and in its limitations and risks). The required =93OpenAccess=94
response to statUS-quo =93OpenStand=94 could only emerge from CS.<br>
<br>
This means that the Internet is a bomb in our common hands as Eugene
Kasperski warns us (cf. Ronald Deibert=92s paper). <br>
1. First possibility: you guys (US StakeHolders)
are confident that it is inert because you turned it off. However,
you are the first to call for an avolution of its mechanisms, in truly
substantial ways. <br>
2. Second possibility; we know but you do not
know that the switcher is obsolete, so we would like you to stay still,
but each one wants to help keep still in such a way that if it explodes
it does not harm them too much. In the process everyone more or less rock
the system.<br>
3. Third possibility: we give the system a full
restoration. However, there is a risk during the transition from the
big-data statUS-quo to an RFC enabled pig-data (protected/polluted by
information garbage-data) internet. <br>
<br>
The debate we had with Vint Cerf, John Klensin, etc. that led to Paul
Hoffman and Pete Resnick RFC 5895 on IDNA showed that restoring natural
catarchy (mutual auto-catalysis, the way nature works) instead of (US or
any multistakeholder) constrained hierarchy is not only possible, but
is:<br>
- the inner internet
architectonical nature (what might seem normal in a datagram based
environment) <br>
- the least cost/code
development path. <br>
<br>
The adapted vision of distributed security that Ronald Deibert calls for
would probably emerge from what could be called "tensecugrity"
(an horrendous portmanteau word, would you think of something better
:-)?) - to follow Buckminster Fuller's tensegrity concept. What
tensegrity computes in terms of constraints would be computed in terms of
dynamic security in tensecugrity. It could possibly be implemented via
capabilities? . This seems something equivalent to the use of the concept
of entropy by Shannon in his information/communication theory. (NB. for
those in intersem [semiotic internet] R&D: may-be this could be
directly extended to intellition for secure agoric diktyologies
syllodata?.).<br>
<br>
Now, everyone knows that the bomb's switcher is obsolete, that we should
not rock it too much, and that any time some investor, net-open-code
team, or country has the capacity to redirect our future. This
should changes "everyone"'s priorities. IMHO, these
priorities lead to (in using the currently deployed infrastructure,
protocols, and operations as much as possible) finding an architectonic
way:<br>
<br>
1. to correct the 1972 bug (no presentation layer).<br>
2. to clarify the 1984+ misunderstanding (centralization of the root and
IANA).<br>
3. to use Dr. Lessig's adage and RFC 1958 architectural rules to
neutralize the risks born from the transition (split between transport
consolidation and use development)<br>
4. before the whole thing collapses.<br>
<br>
I think it is doable. But we some people will have to speak the truth.
Otherwise I am afraid it will be achieved through self-organized
criticality at a global scale.<br>
jfc<br><br>
<br><br>
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Dear David,<br>
Let me first tease you a bit in my turn (you started it) :-). Then, I
will be very serious.<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">On 17:04 23/10/2013, David
Conrad said:<br>
Those who chose the labels of the INTLFILE (now the root): Never heard of
"INTLFILE". How surprising of Postel, Su, Mockapetris, et al.,
to not credit you and your compatriots with the design of the DNS. Oddly,
when I do a google search on "INTLFILE" with those names, I get
"Your search - <i>INTLFILE Bob Trehin Joe Rinde Mike Rude Cees De
Witt Jim McDonald Neil Sullivan</i> - did not match any
documents."</blockquote><b><br>
</b>I agree with you: I gather our educations were different. <br>
This was well before your time! <br>
Why do you want them to credit us? Who do you credit for "US"
or "China"?<br>
BTW, are you not American? Cees is Dutch, Bob and I are French, but all
the others are US citizens. I accept that most were distant foreigners to
you (offices in Bub Road, Cupertino), but Neil lived in Los Altos. <br>
In addition, I was sure that you made a difference between labels and
DNS? <br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">Vint Cerf added others in =
the
ICANN/NTIA root in 2000+</blockquote>You have an interesting view of
history.</blockquote><br>
I gather our auditions were also different that day?<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">The dot-root is a reality,=
while
the root-files are a concept. </blockquote>Again, you have it exactly
reversed. The root of the DNS is a concept, representing the
"universal reference point" that ensures naming uniqueness
within the context of a single namespace. It can be instantiated in
numerous ways. The way the IETF chose to implement that "universal
reference point" was via a single file managed by a single
administrative entity. There are obviously other ways of bringing the
"universal reference point" into "reality", some more
useful than others. The advantage of the approach the IETF took is
simplicity, with the obvious downside that it creates a single point of
interest that attracts politicians like moths to a flame (for good or
ill).</blockquote><br>
I know that I am as stupid as an internet wire, and that you enjoy
contradicting, but I would have bet that:<br>
- there was a single universal reference point in the universe, including
the internet, politicians or not. <br>
- the single file was for Jon Postel a way to manage the NIC more simply,
in order to control the bills of external use, and further on to ensure
scarcity when he had to charge for the names.<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">A splitDNS is not the DNS.=
<br>
If it walks like a duck... I'm sure DNS administrators around the
world running split DNS environments will be fascinated to know they
aren't running the DNS.</blockquote><br>
You are like me: I always thought that in an environment in which some
participants may not be that comfortable with some technical issues that
it is best to not ask for words to be overly accurate. <br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">(an horrendous portmanteau=
word,
would you think of something better :-)?)<br>
No thank you. I was always</blockquote><br>
You were always =85 ???<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">demonstrate one's vast
erudition.</blockquote><br>
This is why I do suggest we just keep talking about what we did, know,
checked, and work on, that could help in identifying and finding a
solution to our current problem.<br>
<br>
BTW, =93Erudition=94 means no divagation :-) <br><br>
----<br><br>
Break. <br><br>
----<br><br>
There are three post-Davis (and his packet) approaches of the network
technology: Pouzin with the datagram/Despr=E9s and X.25, etc. and Norman
Hardy with his agorics, etc. <br><br>
The historical staging and reciprocal ignorance/oppositions of these
three approaches and teams is quite interesting. It could actually pay
back forty years later on, especially in the Post-Snowden
context.<br><br>
I happened to:<br>
- belong to the (historically, commercially, and politically) "first
one" (Tymnet) that evaporated in the mid-1980s after being poorly
acquired.<br>
- have developed my own business' QNX based real-time interoperations
system for X.25. <br>
- stay/become friends with the French historic pioneers of the currently
"leading one" (I interconnected the Internet and X.75 to the
IRC/PTT international network). At that time, TCP/IP was technically
supported by BBN and Telenet (Larry Roberts and Barry Wessler). As the
two companies were IRCs (International Record Carriers) and domestically
competing VANs, we were not initially allowed to work together except
through third party operators (we interconnected Telenet in 84). This
gave us an interesting point of view on the other architectures (and on
operators and customers likes/dislikes).<br><br>
My belief is that the solution to the present situation that we face is
to be found in taking advantage from the best of these three approaches.
This was demonstrated by the consensus we eventually reached at the
IETF/WG-IDNAbis chaired by Vint Cerf, concerning IDNA, and exemplified by
RFC 5895. Today, the target should be a concerted lowest cost transition
scenario (it will probably take ten years) while avoiding technical,
societal, political, and most probably economic layer violations during
that period. <br><br>
Since I take that we are going to bet on the existing Internet (at least
initially), there two main types of problems that lie ahead. <br><br>
<br>
1. Those on my side of the history because they are related to layers
(Services and Intelligent Use [IUse]) that were familiar or approached by
Tymnet and my department, and outside of the end to end scope. They are
defined and located by RFC 1958: "Everything else should be done at
the fringes." This is why I embarked into the IUCG@IETF once the
Unicode semantic layer-violations issue was correctly addressed.<br><br>
Experience on both sides seems to have shown that things had to be
revamped:<br>
- cf. RFC 3869 on the end to end side; <br>
- cf. my practical inability in a foreign language (English, Internet)
and presentation (RFC working format) with no budget to raise a
grassroots interest on the fringe to fringe side. <br><br>
However, if we want to interoperate, <br>
- it must be in a multi-stakeholder manner, which is something that has
been partly addressed in Montevideo. Good.<br>
- it must be adapted to the 2013 Internet, something that RFC 6852 should
permit. However, it also prevents the multi-stakeholder approach.
Something that my ongoing appeal to ISOC should help address.
Pending.<br><br>
The task on the fringe to fringe IUCG side is:<br>
- to express our IUse needs through a robust model in Internet and 2013
terms; <br>
- to relate them to the Internet layers and to all of what has been
achieved by the IETF (network) and W3C (application). For example: works
such as OPES, DDDS, JSON, etc. might help a lot. <br><br>
After considering the whole thing, I feel that the best is to start again
from the beginning, starting from/with the initial pioneers, considering
all of what was learned in the last 35 years. The target is:<br>
- to focus on the common architectonical roots and lessons of the three
(and possibly more) architectures, <br>
- to look at the alternative or additional options that could emerge
<br>
- to word all of this as a transition from and based upon what does exist
and how end-users behave today. <br>
I just started this, chasing old documents. It will be located at
<a href=3D"http://iucg.org/wiki/TCP/IP:_origins">
http://iucg.org/wiki/TCP/IP:_origins</a> (everyone is welcome to
help).<br><br>
<br>
2. The main and key problem, however, falls on <b>your </b>personal lap.
It concerns the IANA globalization. <br><br>
The ICANN/IANA globalization is demanded by some. You certainly are the
person who can best help here, as a former and performing IANA manager
within the ICANN structure. Your experience and guidance are of major
interest to the Civil Society, OpenUse, FLOSS people, and all the
stakeholders. <br><br>
--- what does such an ICANN/IANA globalization mean for you (I have no
real idea, and the reasonable responses I get eventually look
flawed)<br>
--- what is the technical target? What are the procedures? Would you be
in charge (as the Civil Society should consider to propose) what would
you do? <br>
--- how to practically manage it? Who would be in charge?<br><br>
There are two (separate?) ways of considering the IANA:<br>
- as a presentation of the Internet as it is and operates (current
IANA)<br>
- as a guide to best use the Internet.<br><br>
Do you think they should be kept separate or united? If they are kept
separate, the guide to best use the Internet will engulf the current IANA
and will most probably circumvent it in the long term (single customized
windows effect). What do you think from that probable evolution?<br><br>
NB. My reading of the current situation is that they cannot be united,
since RFC 6852 implies the possibility of other standard sets, hence
other compatible IANA tables that ICANN would be allowed to support (RFC
2860).<br><br>
jfc <br><br>
<br><br>
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From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pre-Buenos Aires ICANN Policy Update Webinar Invitation - 7
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> Pre-Buenos Aires ICANN Policy Update Webinar Invitation
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> In order to participate, please RSVP via email to the GNSO Secretariat
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> Whether you plan to participate in the upcoming ICANN meeting in =
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> The ICANN Policy Staff will provide a briefing on:
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> Thursday 7 November at 12.00 UTC (for other places see: =
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> Thick Whois
> Protections of IGO/INGO Identifiers in gTLDs
> Policy & Implementation
> Draft Guidelines on ccTLD's Financial Contribution
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; =
">Whether you plan to participate in the upcoming ICANN meeting in =
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style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">current status of each major =
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0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">The ICANN =
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lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">for other =
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margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
color: black; ">summarizing policy issues across the different ICANN =
Supporting Organizations, namely the Generic Names Supporting =
Organization (GNSO), Country Code Names Supporting Organization (ccNSO) =
and Address Supporting Organization (ASO). Amongst other topics, updates =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
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sans-serif; color: black; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">Draft Guidelines on ccTLD's Financial =
Contribution<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
color: black; ">The two sessions are duplicates, scheduled to =
accommodate different time zones. Each session, scheduled to run for 90 =
minutes, will be conducted in English only. The meeting will be run in =
Adobe Connect with a slide presentation along with a dial-in conference =
bridge for audio.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
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at the end of each session. During the course of the webinar, questions =
may be submitted using the chat function of Adobe Connect. If you are =
not able to participate in either of the live sessions, the recording of =
the session will be made available shortly after the meeting. The policy =
staff is always available to answer any questions that you email =
to <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" style=3D"color: blue; =
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125); "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span> (for other =
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: Glen de Saint G=C3=A9ry <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [liaison6c] Request for comments: Second Accountability and =
Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2) Draft Report & Recommendations
> Date: October 24, 2013 2:23:48 AM PDT
> To: liaison6c <[log in to unmask]>
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> =
https://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-21oct13-en.htm
> Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2) Draft =
Report & Recommendations
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> Fran=C3=A7ais
> Espa=C3=B1ol
> =D0=A0=D1=83=D1=81=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9
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> =D8=A7=D9=84=D8=B9=D8=B1=D8=A8=D9=8A=D8=A9
> Comment / Reply Periods (*)
> Comment Open Date: 21 October 2013
> Comment Close Date: 22 November 2013 - 11:59 UTC
> Reply Open Date: 23 November 2013
> Reply Close Date: 13 December 2013 - 11:59 UTC
> Important Information Links
> Public Comment Announcement
> To Submit Your Comments (Forum)
> View Comments Submitted
> Brief Overview
> Originating Organization:=20
> Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2)
> Categories/Tags:=20
> AoC
> ATRT 2
> Policy Processes
> Reviews/Improvements
> Transparency/Accountability
> Purpose (Brief):=20
> To inform its work, ATRT 2 seeks input on its Draft Report & =
Recommendations.
> Current Status:=20
> ATRT 2 is completing its analysis and preparing to hold consultations =
with Community, staff and Board, with the goal of issuing final =
recommendations and report by 31 December 2013.
> Next Steps:=20
> ATRT 2 seeks public comments and will hold consultations during ICANN =
48 in Buenos Aires.
> Staff Contact:=20
> Alice Jansen (on behalf of ATRT2)
> Email Staff Contact
> Detailed Information
> Section I: Description, Explanation, and Purpose:=20
> With the goal of producing final recommendations by 31 December 2013, =
the Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2), =
mandated by paragraph 9.1 of the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC), is =
completing its analysis and holding consultations with Community, staff =
and Board. To inform its work, the ATRT 2 now seeks input from the =
Community on its Draft Report & Recommendations [PDF, 3.06 MB] compiled =
for the Community's consideration. Community participation is essential =
to the success of the review, and all input will be carefully =
considered. The ATRT 2 welcomes any additional feedback.
> Section II: Background:=20
> The Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT2) issues =
this request for Public Comment on a set of Draft Proposed =
Recommendations [PDF, 3.06 MB] that it has developed as part of its =
review of ICANN's execution of its commitments to accountability and =
transparency under the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC). The ATRT2 will =
provide final recommendations to the ICANN Board no later than December =
31, 2013.
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> ATRT 2, mandated by paragraph 9.1 of the Affirmation of Commitments =
(AoC), commenced its activities in February 2013. The Review Team has =
collected feedback from the Community by means of a questionnaire as =
well as numerous consultations during the past six months. ATRT 2 has =
considered this feedback carefully in drafting its preliminary =
recommendations. With the goal of producing final recommendations by 31 =
December 2013, the Review Team is currently in the process of completing =
its analysis and preparing to hold consultations with Community, staff =
and Board.
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> ATRT 2 has three fundamental tasks under the AoC:
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> to assess ICANN's implementation of Recommendations of the three prior =
AoC Review Teams;
> to offer new Recommendations to the ICANN Board to further improve =
ICANN's accountability and transparency ; and
> to offer Recommendations concerning improvements to the Review process =
itself.
> ATRT 2 has organized the work into four work streams:
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> ATRT1 =E2=80=93 review of implementation of ATRT1 Review Team =
recommendations and offer any follow-on recommendations =E2=80=93 AoC =
9.1 (a)-(e);
> Security, Stability and Resiliency =E2=80=93 review of implementation =
of SSR Review Team recommendations - AoC 9.2(a)-(c);
> WHOIS =E2=80=93 review of implementation of WHOIS Review Team =
recommendations AoC 9.3.1;
> Consider the extent to which assessments and actions undertaken by =
ICANN have been successful in ensuring that ICANN is acting =
transparently, is accountable for its decision-making, and acts in the =
public interest.
> To inform its work, the ATRT 2 now seeks input from the Community on =
Proposed Draft Recommendations [PDF, 3.06 MB] compiled for the =
Community's consideration. Community participation is essential to the =
success of the review, and all input will be carefully considered. The =
ATRT 2 welcomes any additional feedback.
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> Section III: Document and Resource Links:=20
> None
> Section IV: Additional Information:=20
> None
> (*) Comments submitted after the posted Close Date/Time are not =
guaranteed to be considered in any final summary, analysis, reporting, =
or decision-making that takes place once this period lapses.
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> Glen de Saint G=C3=A9ry
> GNSO Secretariat
> [log in to unmask]
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sans-serif; ">Policy Processes<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">Reviews/Improvements<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; =
">Transparency/Accountability<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; ">Purpose (Brief): <o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">To inform its work, ATRT 2 seeks input on its Draft =
Report & Recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">Current Status: <o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">ATRT 2 is completing its analysis and preparing to =
hold consultations with Community, staff and Board, with the goal of =
issuing final recommendations and report by 31 December =
2013.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Next =
Steps: <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">ATRT 2 seeks =
public comments and will hold consultations during ICANN 48 in Buenos =
Aires.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Staff =
Contact: <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Alice Jansen =
(on behalf of ATRT2)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
the%20Second%20Accountability%20and%20Transparency%20Review%20Team%20%28AT=
RT%202%29%20Draft%20Report%20and%20Recommendations%20public%20comment%20pe=
riod" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">Email Staff Contact</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span class=3D"fieldset-legend"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">Detailed Information</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Section I: Description, =
Explanation, and Purpose: <o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">With the goal of producing final recommendations by =
31 December 2013, the Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team =
(ATRT 2), mandated by paragraph 9.1 of the Affirmation of Commitments =
(AoC), is completing its analysis and holding consultations with =
Community, staff and Board. To inform its work, the ATRT 2 now seeks =
input from the Community on its<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"https://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/atrt/draft-recommendatio=
ns-15oct13-en.pdf" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Draft Report & =
Recommendations</span></a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">[PDF, 3.06 =
MB] compiled for the Community's consideration. Community participation =
is essential to the success of the review, and all input will be =
carefully considered. The ATRT 2 welcomes any additional =
feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Section II: =
Background: <o:p></o:p></span></div><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">The Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT2) issues =
this request for Public Comment on a set of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"https://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/atrt/draft-recommendatio=
ns-15oct13-en.pdf" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Draft Proposed =
Recommendations</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[PDF, 3.06 MB] that it has =
developed as part of its review of ICANN's execution of its commitments =
to accountability and transparency under the Affirmation of Commitments =
(AoC). The ATRT2 will provide final recommendations to the ICANN Board =
no later than December 31, 2013.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">ATRT 2, mandated by paragraph =
9.1 of the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC), commenced its activities in =
February 2013. The Review Team has collected feedback from the Community =
by means of a questionnaire as well as numerous consultations during the =
past six months. ATRT 2 has considered this feedback carefully in =
drafting its preliminary recommendations. With the goal of producing =
final recommendations by 31 December 2013, the Review Team is currently =
in the process of completing its analysis and preparing to hold =
consultations with Community, staff and Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">ATRT 2 has three fundamental =
tasks under the AoC:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1" =
style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; "><li class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">to assess ICANN's implementation of =
Recommendations of the three prior AoC Review =
Teams;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">to offer new =
Recommendations to the ICANN Board to further improve ICANN's =
accountability and transparency ; and<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">to offer Recommendations concerning =
improvements to the Review process itself.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">ATRT 2 has organized the work =
into four work streams:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=3D"disc" =
style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; "><li class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">ATRT1 =E2=80=93 review of =
implementation of ATRT1 Review Team recommendations and offer any =
follow-on recommendations =E2=80=93 AoC 9.1 =
(a)-(e);<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Security, Stability and Resiliency =E2=80=
=93 review of implementation of SSR Review Team recommendations - AoC =
9.2(a)-(c);<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">WHOIS =E2=80=93 review of =
implementation of WHOIS Review Team recommendations AoC =
9.3.1;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Consider the =
extent to which assessments and actions undertaken by ICANN have been =
successful in ensuring that ICANN is acting transparently, is =
accountable for its decision-making, and acts in the public =
interest.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">To inform its work, the ATRT 2 now seeks input from the<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"https://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/atrt/draft-recommendatio=
ns-15oct13-en.pdf" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Community on Proposed Draft =
Recommendations</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">[PDF, 3.06 MB] compiled for the Community's =
consideration. Community participation is essential to the success of =
the review, and all input will be carefully considered. The ATRT 2 =
welcomes any additional feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; ">Section III: Document and Resource =
Links: <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">None<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; ">Section IV: Additional =
Information: <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
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margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
">(*) Comments submitted after the posted Close Date/Time are not =
guaranteed to be considered in any final summary, analysis, reporting, =
or decision-making that takes place once this period =
lapses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
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Subject: Re: Fwd: [liaison6c] Request for comments: Second Accountability
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Tara
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On 22 Oct 2013, at 09:55, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hello,
>=20
> The IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and a=
lot of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. IGF's remote=
participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members around the worl=
d will be able to join us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 hours, so adjust the=
times below accordingly]
>=20
> Here's what I know about. =20
>=20
> Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2
> WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=E2=80=99s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case=
[joint between NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D249
>=20
>=20
> NCUC also has two other workshops:
>=20
> Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6
> WS 253 The Debate on =E2=80=98Closed=E2=80=99 Generic Top Level Domains=20=
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.=
php?xpsltipq_je=3D253
>=20
>=20
> Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> WS 282 Internet/Telecom =E2=80=98Convergence=E2=80=99 and Global Internet G=
overnance=20
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D282=20
>=20
>=20
> In addition, Robin has this one of particular relevance
>=20
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3
> No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D129
>=20
>=20
> I'm also speaking in these
>=20
> Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3
> WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression=20
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D357=20
>=20
>=20
> Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> WS 210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG=20
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D210=20
>=20
>=20
> Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2
> WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development=20
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D324=20
>=20
>=20
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1=20
> WS 212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism=20
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D212=20
>=20
> and probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops and=
focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with everything, pe=
rhaps those folks could share any details here=E2=80=A6.
>=20
> Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali you can still partici=
pate=E2=80=94and without being miserably hot and humid when you step out the=
door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, too. So I hope to 's=
ee' some folks online=E2=80=A6
>=20
> Best,
>=20
> Bill
>=20
> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,=20
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
> www.williamdrake.org
> ***********************************************************
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: aut=
o; ">IGF participants personal data insecure? <br><span style=3D"font-f=
amily: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: n=
owrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-comp=
osition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame=
-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.apc.org/en/blog/igf-cybersecurity-fail-website-leaks-pers=
onal-data">https://www.apc.org/en/blog/igf-cybersecurity-fail-website-leaks-=
personal-data</a></span></div><div><font face=3D".HelveticaNeueUI"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-h=
ighlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: r=
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180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div><font face=3D".HelveticaNeueU=
I"><span style=3D"font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -=
webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-=
fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: r=
gba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Tara<br></span></font><span style=3D"-webkit-t=
ext-size-adjust: auto;">Sent from my iPhone</span></div><div style=3D"-webki=
t-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br>On 22 Oct 2013, at 09:55, William Drake <=
<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<=
br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to; "><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3D=
windows-1252"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>The IGF has begun here in=
Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and a lot of stuff on the progra=
m that would be worth checking out. IGF's remote participation is alwa=
ys pretty good, so I hope some members around the world will be able to join=
us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 hours, so adjust the times b=
elow accordingly]</div><div><br></div><div>Here's what I know about. <=
/div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintaman=
i 2<br><b>WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=E2=80=99s Multistakeholderism: The G=
NSO Case [joint between NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]</b><br><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_j=
e=3D249">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_vi=
ew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249</a><br><br><br>NCUC also has two other workshops:<b=
r><br>Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6<br><b>WS 2=
53 The Debate on =E2=80=98Closed=E2=80=99 Generic Top Level Domains</b> =
;<br><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accompl=
ish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/=
workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253</a><br><br><br>Frid=
ay October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 282 Internet/Teleco=
m =E2=80=98Convergence=E2=80=99 and Global Internet Governance </b><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_=
view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_=
2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282</a> </div><div><br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>In addition, Robin has this one of particular relevance</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, =
;Nusa Dua Hall 3</div><div><b>No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder G=
overnance: ICANN Experience</b></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.=
org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129">http:/=
/www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq=
_je=3D129</a></div><br><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><di=
v>I'm also speaking in these</div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, 1=
1:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3<br><b>WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and=
Free Expression </b><br><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2=
013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357">http://www.intgovf=
orum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357</a=
> <br><br><br>Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br>=
<b>WS 210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG </b><br><a href=3D"=
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xp=
sltipq_je=3D210">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status=
_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210</a> <br><br><br>Thursday October 24, 1=
6:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2<br><b>WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Su=
stainable Development </b><br><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms=
/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324">http://www.in=
tgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D3=
24</a> <br><br><br>Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1&nbs=
p;<br><b>WS 212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism </b><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list=
_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212</a> <br><br></div><div>and=
probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops and focu=
s sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with everything, pe=
rhaps those folks could share any details here=E2=80=A6.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali you can still par=
ticipate=E2=80=94and without being miserably hot and humid when you step out=
the door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, too. So I h=
ope to 'see' some folks online=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></=
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*********<br>William J. Drake<br>International Fellow & Lecturer<br=
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br> Universi=
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Hi
Thanks. Yes, Alex raised these concerns a few weeks ago and the =
secretariat's aware but not in a position to do much now. Hopefully the =
resource situation improves soon.
Best
Bill
On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Clarinettet <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> IGF participants personal data insecure?=20
> =
https://www.apc.org/en/blog/igf-cybersecurity-fail-website-leaks-personal-=
data
>=20
> Tara
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On 22 Oct 2013, at 09:55, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>=20
>> Hello,
>>=20
>> The IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent =
and a lot of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. =
IGF's remote participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members =
around the world will be able to join us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 =
hours, so adjust the times below accordingly]
>>=20
>> Here's what I know about. =20
>>=20
>> Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2
>> WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case =
[joint between NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D249
>>=20
>>=20
>> NCUC also has two other workshops:
>>=20
>> Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6
>> WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top Level Domains=20
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.=
php?xpsltipq_je=3D253
>>=20
>>=20
>> Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7
>> WS 282 Internet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet =
Governance=20
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D282=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> In addition, Robin has this one of particular relevance
>>=20
>> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3
>> No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D129
>>=20
>>=20
>> I'm also speaking in these
>>=20
>> Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3
>> WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression=20
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D357=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7
>> WS 210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG=20
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D210=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2
>> WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development=20
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D324=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1=20
>> WS 212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism=20
>> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D212=20
>>=20
>> and probably others of us here are speaking in various other =
workshops and focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page =
with everything, perhaps those folks could share any details here=85.
>>=20
>> Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali you can still =
participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid when you step =
out the door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, too. So I =
hope to 'see' some folks online=85
>>=20
>> Best,
>>=20
>> Bill
>>=20
>> **********************************************************
>> William J. Drake
>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>> University of Zurich, Switzerland
>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,=20
>> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
>> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
>> www.williamdrake.org
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apple-content-edited=3D"true">Thanks. Yes, Alex raised these concerns a =
few weeks ago and the secretariat's aware but not in a position to do =
much now. Hopefully the resource situation improves =
soon.</div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br></div><div =
apple-content-edited=3D"true">Best</div><div =
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apple-content-edited=3D"true">Bill</div>
<br><div><div>On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Clarinettet <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust:=
auto; ">IGF participants personal data insecure? <br><span =
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href=3D"https://www.apc.org/en/blog/igf-cybersecurity-fail-website-leaks-p=
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eaks-personal-data</a></span></div><div><font =
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style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br>On 22 Oct 2013, at 09:55, =
William Drake <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> =
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dwindows-1252"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>The IGF has =
begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and a lot of =
stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. IGF's =
remote participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members =
around the world will be able to join us. [NB: Depasar =
is UTC/GMT +8 hours, so adjust the times below =
accordingly]</div><div><br></div><div>Here's what I know about. =
</div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room =
8, Kintamani 2<br><b>WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s =
Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case [joint between NCSG, NCUC and =
NPOC]</b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249</a><br><br><br>NCUC also =
has two other workshops:<br><br>Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room =
10, Kintamani 6<br><b>WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top =
Level Domains</b> <br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_li=
st_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/work=
shop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253</a><br><br><br>Friday=
October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 282 =
Internet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet =
Governance </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282</a> </div><div><br></div=
><div><br></div><div>In addition, Robin has this one of particular =
relevance</div><div><br></div><div>Friday October =
25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3</div><div><b>No. =
129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN =
Experience</b></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129</a></div><br><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I'm also speaking in =
these</div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room =
#3 Nusa Dua Hall 3<br><b>WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free =
Expression </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357</a> <br><br><br>Thursday=
October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 210 The Technical =
Community Role in Global IG </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210</a> <br><br><br>Thursday=
October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2<br><b>WS 324 Enhanced =
Cooperation for Sustainable Development </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324</a> <br><br><br>Friday =
October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1 <br><b>WS 212 Exploring =
the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212</a> <br><br></div><div>a=
nd probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops =
and focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with =
everything, perhaps those folks could share any details =
here=85.</div><div><br></div><div>Again, as with ICANN meetings, if =
you're not in Bali you can still participate=97and without being =
miserably hot and humid when you step out the door and freezing when you =
enter the convention hall, too. So I hope to 'see' some folks =
online=85</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</di=
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Dear David,<br><br>
<a name=3D"_GoBack"></a>Thank you for your response. From what I gather,
our (you and me) exchange was a determining point, as =96 in addition =96=
we
both demand technical accuracy: this implies that our exchange was not
biased. (John Curan has added a key calendary point I will address later
on).<br><br>
All of us now know where we stand . I will cover it in five points that I
will use for a page on the
<a href=3D"http://brasummit.org/">http://brasummit.org</a> wiki.<br><br>
- the wholization vs. internationalization<br>
- the background<br>
- irt. conceptuality<br>
- irt. technicality<br>
- conclusion<br><br>
I will then intersperse comments in your input.<br><br>
<br>
<b><u>1. Wholization vs. internationalization<br><br>
</u></b>Until know (let us say, for common reference, until e-Snowden),
the industry's strategy was "internationalization" (cf. Unicode
explanation). This means to internationalize the US standards to colonize
foreign industries. This is now switching to "wholization",
which is our problem and is well introduced in
(<a href=3D"http://www.research-degree-thesis.com/showinfo-154-1288914-0.=
html">
http://www.research-degree-thesis.com/showinfo-154-1288914-0.html</a>):
<br><br>
<dl>
<dd><i>"Since the fast development of the wholization of globe
financial market and electronic trade and communication technology, the
market environments that global exchanges are facing have greatly
changed. More and more exchanges switch from a governance structure based
on traditional members cooperatives to for-profit companies to suit sharp
competitive market conditions".<br><br></i>
</dl>This boils down to the leading business stakeholders' hijacking of
the world's digital synergy, i.e. the difference between the whole and
global:=20
<dl>
<dd>"whole =3D whole sum of the stakeholders=92 outputs + synergy am=
ong
all the stakeholders".=20
</dl>The added value produced by people is sold to them: "if
it=92s free, you are the product". Why share in an enhanced
cooperation when one can sell it?<br><br>
This change (on which the ICANN business plan is based) is accepted as a
fact by the members of the technical coalition initiative that is to
adapt:<br>
- the multi-stakeholder control from multilateral (governments and
governmental specialized cooperations influenced by the USG)<br>
- to a business coalition based upon technical necessities and the
demands of "global communities" such as media, e-commerce,
cyber-military procurement, social engineering, languages, sex,
etc.<br><br>
This adaptation has known different steps:<br>
- RFC 6852 agreement to organize cooperation into coopetition (the term
coalition is now used) on the technical (standards) and commercial
(FRAND) areas.<br>
- the e-Snowden saga that frees the cyber-military/security procurement
business.<br>
- the Montevideo declaration to politically establish the US stakeholders
group (i.e. originating from the statUS-quo) as the founders, ensuring
continuity.<br>
- the Dilma Rousseff romance to obtain political support for the
ICANN/IANA "globalization" and try to squeeze the various
possible competing initiatives.<br><br>
In order to have a chance of success that "Technical Coalition"
strategy has to be inclusive both technically and conceptually. Your
responses show that it is not. <br><br>
<br>
<b><u>2. Background<br><br>
</u></b>The WSIS:<br>
- assigned us an esthetic: i.e. a "people centered, =E0 caract=E9re
humain, centrada en la persona" Information Society. <br>
- started its ethitechnic practice in calling for a multi-stakeholder
cooperation process advised by dynamic coalitions gathering in the
IGF.<br><br>
There is a growing consensus of the world digisphere that the whole
digital ecosystem governance is to be improved. There are three cultures
involved: <br><br>
1.1. yours: I understand as determined by Jon Postel's first (net
centric) sentence of RFC 820 (1983): "The ARPANET community is
making the transition from the ARPANET to the ARPA Internet." You
managed its center of reference as an excellent IANA Director for years.
<br><br>
1.2. mine: I inherited it from Norman Hardy and Robert Tr=E9hin. It is
based upon the deployment of the (world centric) International Network (I
note this as IntNet to differentiate it) by PTTs and some large and small
private operators, competitively using the Tymnet architecture rather
than the BBN one. I created the <u>non-profit</u> Intlnet (in 1978) in
order to support its free open center of reference (INTLFILE) and its
local relational space abstracts.<br>
<br>
1.3. Civil Society: their concerns are Human Digital Rights, i.e. without
denying the existence of various forms of Digital Rights, to make sure
that these Human Digital Rights will not conflict with Human Rights. This
is summarized in the precautionary principle
(<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle</a>) that is
statutory in the EU and constitutional in France. Not respecting it
would, therefore, balkanize the internet. <br><br>
<br>
<b><u>3. irt. conceptuallity<br><br>
</u></b>The alternative boils down to: "either the internet model
should beimposed on the world, or the internet model should adapt to the
world?" You clearly show you favor the former choice in:
<br><br>
1. considering the Internet as the ultimate reference. I talked and
underlined that I talked about human digital names and numbers and of the
labels of the root names. You understood DNS. For you the internet root
is the unique reference point of the universe instead of being one of the
65,635 windows for the universe on the Internet DNS (RFC 1035).<br><br>
2. I talked of the INTLFILE as the open repository of the roots of the
human digital names and numbers. You doubted it because the authors of
its IANA abstract did not acknowledge the names of those who selected the
labels they used. <br><br>
3. You did not care about the other architectonical needs that they might
have the Internet root file does not address (in spite of the RFC 1236
example).<br><br>
<br>
<b><u>4. irt. technicallity<br><br>
</u></b>I proposed you(and documented why the ICANN/IANA globalization
called for Civil Society to be a leading stakeholder in the technical
solution) to work on that solution. This is because "code is
law" and the IANA is the core of the code. Anything the stakeholders
may discuss, anytime, anywhere will necessarily depend on the technical
reference center of the technology they are discussing, because
"code is law".<br><br>
You and I have certainly the deepest experience in the matter, hence the
strongest obligation to participate in this effort and to see this
discussion located at the best place in the Technical and Political
agora. In spite of my indication that experience on the IETF and IUCG
both sides was currently leading to a possible convergence, subject to
the interest of ISOC, you are not interested. <br><br>
I can only read your response as a technico-cultural disinterest in an
evolution of the IANA because you consider the effort useless, or out of
the common agenda. And even perhaps as an opposition because you
deliberately increase the chances that mistakes are made in conceiving
that evolution if we miss your experience.<br><br>
<br>
<b><u>5. Conclusion<br><br>
</u></b>The only conclusion I can draft from this is that ICANN/IANA
technical globalization is not on the agenda of the Technical Coalition
culture. The matter is only the governance and not the cyberspace, the
architecture of which affects the governance, security among the whole
digital ecosystem, and mutual trust within the digisphere.<br><br>
We, therefore, have documented and illustrated together, at its very
core, the reality of the power-grab attempts of the Technical Coalition
members that is discussed, on the Internet infra and meta structures
(hardware and protocols). What is interesting is that this is really a
technical power-grab and not a money-grab, which raises several questions
on the different agendas.<br><br>
jfc<br><br>
<br>
PS. the respective nature of the INTLFILE and of the IANA, their
affiliation, and their histories through RFCs are of interest to
understand the architectural limitations, the possible architectonical
evolutions of the Internet, and their impact on the Human Digital Rights
(and possibly on Digital Human Rights, i.e. extensions to the HR due to
the societal extensions, or to incidental constrains). This calls for a
critical technical investigation to be conducted with the utmost accuracy
(as technical concerns may have changed over decades). It will be a part
of the architectonical work in which I am engaged
(<a href=3D"http://iucg.org/wiki/INTLFILE/IANA" eudora=3D"autourl">
http://iucg.org/wiki/INTLFILE/IANA</a>).<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><b>At 04:37 24/10/2013, Da=
vid
Conrad wrote:<br>
Typically, if one wishes to be intellectually honest, one acknowledges
the contributions of others. Given your claim to being among those that
designed a core portion of the DNS, I'm surprised that the folks now
credited with its creation (some of which I know, or knew well) didn't
acknowledge your and your colleagues efforts or even reference them in
any way.</blockquote><br>
</b>The Internet team relation with the external world was through BBN
and Tymshare (as per what I found in RFCs). Tymnet and Telenet, which
were the operational networks,are not quoted. In Telenet's case, this
seems understandable, as the technology was by BBN and Tymnet carried all
the US international operations (through IRCs). Our responsibility in
terms of international naming was documented by our FCC license. This
made the INTLFILE a public matter. I am not shocked that no one thought
about mentioning us (moreover, we never published or claimed
it).<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><b>Who do you credit for
"US" or "China"?<br>
I don't understand the question. </b></blockquote><br>
Someone created these terms. We do not know them and acknowledge their
contributions.<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">BTW, are you not American?=
Cees
is Dutch, Bob and I are French, but all the others are US citizens. I
accept that most were distant foreigners to you (offices in Bub Road,
Cupertino), but Neil lived in Los Altos. <br>
I am an American in the sense that I am a citizen of the USA, yes, but
not sure what my (or your or your compatriots') nationality has to do
with anything in this thread. <b></b></blockquote><br>
This was mentioned because it was you who talked about them as my
compatriots. It was just to point out that not everything came from
France :-) <br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">(BTW, it's spelled
"Bubb").</blockquote><br>
Yes! Thank you for the accuracy. I seldom make the error nowadays.
It was "bubble" road a long time ago; bubbling with new ideas
that initially Bob Tr=E9hin used to bring us back when visiting there (we
were located in St-Cloud, in the western suburbs of Paris).
<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">I know that I am as stupid=
as an
internet wire, and that you enjoy contradicting, <br>
I have no opinion of your intelligence. My interest on this list (well,
the igc list which seems to have been dropped from the cc's) is primarily
technical accuracy, not necessarily contradicting. When someone asserts
"This why they designed the DNS to support 35,635 roots." I
feel a need to comment.</blockquote><br>
RFC 1035, ICANN ICP/3.<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">As I doubt anyone actually=
cares
about my opinion on the matter and the rest of your questions aren't
related to issues of technical accuracy, I'll refrain from further
comment.<b></blockquote><br>
</b>As I explained above, this is sad for the all of us.<br><br>
You certainly have to contribute in the way that is best for maintaining
technical accuracy in a distributed globalized/wholized IANA system.
Intlnet embarked into the thinking about the INTLFILE evolution as an
MDRS from the end of the 1980s (Multilingual Distributed Meta-Data
Registry System). Not an easy task as not so many people understand the
need, the issues and where it leads to. For example, I was never able to
get a working French JTC1/SC32 mirror committee in order to push for the
study and the standardization of such a real-time system. Unicode refused
to discuss a DDDS to operationally support their IANA langtags table
(they just wanted their vision to be carved in the IANA stone).<br><br>
Best,<br>
jfc<br><br>
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thks Bill.
who is representing NCSG please?
Alain
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:55 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote=
:
> Hello,
>
> The IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and =
a
> lot of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. IGF's remo=
te
> participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members around the
> world will be able to join us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 hours, so
> adjust the times below accordingly]
>
> Here's what I know about.
>
> Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2
> *WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO
> Case [joint between NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D249
>
>
> NCUC also has two other workshops:
>
> Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6
> *WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top Level Domains*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view=
.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253
>
>
> Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> *WS 282 Internet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet Governance=
*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D282
>
>
>
> In addition, Robin has this one of particular relevance
>
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3
> *No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D129
>
>
> I'm also speaking in these
>
> Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3
> *WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D357
>
>
>
> Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> *WS 210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D210
>
>
>
> Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2
> *WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D324
>
>
>
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1
> *WS 212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D212
>
>
> and probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops an=
d
> focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with everything,
> perhaps those folks could share any details here=85.
>
> Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali you can still
> participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid when you step out=
the
> door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, too. So I hope to
> 'see' some folks online=85
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif">thks Bill.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:verdana,sans-serif">
who is =A0representing NCSG please?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Alain</div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:55 AM, William=
Drake <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=
=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>Th=
e IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and a lo=
t of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. =A0IGF's re=
mote participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members around the=
world will be able to join us. =A0[NB: =A0Depasar is=A0UTC/GMT +8 hours, s=
o adjust the times below accordingly]</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here's what I know about. =A0</div><div><br></div><=
div>Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2<br><b>WS 249 Civ=
il Society in ICANN=92s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case=A0[joint between=
NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]</b><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list=
_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/c=
ms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249</a><br><br>=
<br>
NCUC also has two other workshops:<br><br>Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30,=
Room 10,=A0Kintamani 6<br><b>WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top=
Level Domains</b>=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/=
workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.=
php?xpsltipq_je=3D253</a><br>
<br><br>Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 282 In=
ternet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet Governance=A0</b><br><=
a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_=
view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cm=
s/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282</a>=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In addition, Robin has this one of parti=
cular relevance</div><div><br></div><div>Friday October 25,=A09:00-10:30,=
=A0Room 3,=A0Nusa Dua Hall 3</div><div><b>No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-=
Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience</b></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status=
_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.=
org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129</a></d=
iv><br>
<div><br></div><div>I'm also speaking in these</div><div><br></div><div=
>Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3<br><b>WS 357 Th=
e Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression=A0</b><br><a href=3D"http://www.i=
ntgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=
=3D357" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2=
013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357</a>=A0<br>
<br><br>Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 210 =
The Technical Community Role in Global IG=A0</b><br><a href=3D"http://www.i=
ntgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=
=3D210" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2=
013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210</a>=A0<br>
<br><br>Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2<br><b>WS =
324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development=A0</b><br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xp=
sltipq_je=3D324" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/w=
orkshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324</a>=A0<br>
<br><br>Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1=A0<br><b>WS 212 Ex=
ploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism=A0</b><br><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_=
je=3D212" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212</a>=A0<br>
<br></div><div>and probably others of us here are speaking in various other=
workshops and focus sessions... =A0 Since we didn't put up an NCSG pag=
e with everything, perhaps those folks could share any details here=85.</di=
v>
<div><br></div><div>Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bal=
i you can still participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid whe=
n you step out the door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, to=
o. =A0So I hope to 'see' some folks online=85</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div=
><div>
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*******************************************************<br>William J. Drake=
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Bill,
I searched for quite while to participate and I could not find any links to
actual participation.
Yes, the IGF geeks may have the technology to do good interaction, but they
need to make it more accessible.
DeeDee
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:55 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote=
:
> Hello,
>
> The IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and =
a
> lot of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. IGF's remo=
te
> participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members around the
> world will be able to join us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 hours, so
> adjust the times below accordingly]
>
> Here's what I know about.
>
> Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2
> *WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO
> Case [joint between NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D249
>
>
> NCUC also has two other workshops:
>
> Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6
> *WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top Level Domains*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view=
.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253
>
>
> Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> *WS 282 Internet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet Governance=
*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D282
>
>
>
> In addition, Robin has this one of particular relevance
>
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3
> *No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience*
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D129
>
>
> I'm also speaking in these
>
> Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3
> *WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D357
>
>
>
> Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> *WS 210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D210
>
>
>
> Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2
> *WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D324
>
>
>
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1
> *WS 212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism *
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php=
?xpsltipq_je=3D212
>
>
> and probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops an=
d
> focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with everything,
> perhaps those folks could share any details here=85.
>
> Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali you can still
> participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid when you step out=
the
> door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, too. So I hope to
> 'see' some folks online=85
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
> www.williamdrake.org
> ***********************************************************
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bill,<div style>I searched for quite while to participate =
and I could not find any links to actual participation.</div><div style>Yes=
, the IGF geeks may have the technology to do good interaction, but they ne=
ed to make it more accessible.</div>
<div style>DeeDee</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:55 AM, William Drake <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">will=
[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hel=
lo,</div><div><br></div><div>The IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a =
pretty good contingent and a lot of stuff on the program that would be wort=
h checking out. =A0IGF's remote participation is always pretty good, so=
I hope some members around the world will be able to join us. =A0[NB: =A0D=
epasar is=A0UTC/GMT +8 hours, so adjust the times below accordingly]</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here's what I know about. =A0</div><div><br></div><=
div>Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2<br><b>WS 249 Civ=
il Society in ICANN=92s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case=A0[joint between=
NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]</b><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list=
_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/c=
ms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249</a><br><br>=
<br>
NCUC also has two other workshops:<br><br>Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30,=
Room 10,=A0Kintamani 6<br><b>WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top=
Level Domains</b>=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/=
workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.=
php?xpsltipq_je=3D253</a><br>
<br><br>Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 282 In=
ternet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet Governance=A0</b><br><=
a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_=
view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cm=
s/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282</a>=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In addition, Robin has this one of parti=
cular relevance</div><div><br></div><div>Friday October 25,=A09:00-10:30,=
=A0Room 3,=A0Nusa Dua Hall 3</div><div><b>No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-=
Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience</b></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status=
_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.=
org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129</a></d=
iv><br>
<div><br></div><div>I'm also speaking in these</div><div><br></div><div=
>Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3<br><b>WS 357 Th=
e Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression=A0</b><br><a href=3D"http://www.i=
ntgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=
=3D357" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2=
013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357</a>=A0<br>
<br><br>Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 210 =
The Technical Community Role in Global IG=A0</b><br><a href=3D"http://www.i=
ntgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=
=3D210" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2=
013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210</a>=A0<br>
<br><br>Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2<br><b>WS =
324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development=A0</b><br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xp=
sltipq_je=3D324" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/w=
orkshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324</a>=A0<br>
<br><br>Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1=A0<br><b>WS 212 Ex=
ploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism=A0</b><br><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_=
je=3D212" target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop=
_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212</a>=A0<br>
<br></div><div>and probably others of us here are speaking in various other=
workshops and focus sessions... =A0 Since we didn't put up an NCSG pag=
e with everything, perhaps those folks could share any details here=85.</di=
v>
<div><br></div><div>Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bal=
i you can still participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid whe=
n you step out the door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, to=
o. =A0So I hope to 'see' some folks online=85</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div=
><div>
<div style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;tex=
t-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:norma=
l;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Palat=
ino;word-wrap:break-word;word-spacing:0px">
<div style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;tex=
t-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:norma=
l;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Palat=
ino;word-wrap:break-word;word-spacing:0px">
<div style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;tex=
t-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:norma=
l;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Palat=
ino;word-wrap:break-word;word-spacing:0px">
<div style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;tex=
t-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:norma=
l;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Palat=
ino;word-wrap:break-word;word-spacing:0px">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">***=
*******************************************************<br>William J. Drake=
<br>International Fellow &=A0Lecturer<br>=A0 Media Change &=A0Innov=
ation Division, IPMZ<br>
=A0 University of Zurich,=A0Switzerland<br>Chair, Noncommercial=A0Users Con=
stituency,=A0<br>=A0 ICANN, <a href=3D"http://www.ncuc.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">www.ncuc.org</a><br><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[log in to unmask]</a> (w),=A0<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a> (h),</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.williamdrake.=
org" target=3D"_blank">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>************************=
***********************************</div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:brea=
k-word">
<br></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><br>
</div>
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iv><a href=3D"http://www.deepdishwavesofchange.org" target=3D"_blank">http:=
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Hi
On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Alain Berranger <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> who is representing NCSG please?
'Participating from' would be a better fit=85.a precise head count would =
be difficult since we didn't attempt to coordinate and there were said =
to be @ 1500 people registered=85.@ two dozen NCUCers, as well as =
Marie-Laure and probably others from NPOC=85she'd know the latter better =
than I.
On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:56 PM, DeeDee Halleck <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> Bill,
> I searched for quite while to participate and I could not find any =
links to actual participation.
> Yes, the IGF geeks may have the technology to do good interaction, but =
they need to make it more accessible.
Sorry to hear this, don't know what happened. There were remote =
participants in the sessions I attended or know about.
Overall, despite some issues in the preparatory process (e.g. the very =
delayed host country agreement and consequent travel problems for some =
folks), most people I've spoken with seemed to think it was a rather =
successful IGF, with a lot of solid workshops and some good main =
sessions and pre-events as well. Our workshops were pretty well =
attended and successful, with some vibrant debates on substantive =
issues; have a look at the videos if interested =
http://www.youtube.com/user/igf/videos.
If they have a moment, it'd be good if some of the other folks in =
attendance could share their impressions...
But the most important stuff may have happened outside the programmed =
events, e.g. in side meetings, corridor conversations, etc. The main =
focal point there was the 2014 meeting in Brazil that Fadi and Dilma =
Rousseff announced. I guess I'll send a separate message on that.
Best,
Bill
=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:55 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> Hello,
>=20
> The IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent =
and a lot of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. =
IGF's remote participation is always pretty good, so I hope some members =
around the world will be able to join us. [NB: Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 =
hours, so adjust the times below accordingly]
>=20
> Here's what I know about. =20
>=20
> Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room 8, Kintamani 2
> WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case =
[joint between NCSG, NCUC and NPOC]
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D249
>=20
>=20
> NCUC also has two other workshops:
>=20
> Thursday October 24, 11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6
> WS 253 The Debate on =91Closed=92 Generic Top Level Domains=20
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.=
php?xpsltipq_je=3D253
>=20
>=20
> Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> WS 282 Internet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet =
Governance=20
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D282=20
>=20
>=20
> In addition, Robin has this one of particular relevance
>=20
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3
> No. 129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN Experience
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D129
>=20
>=20
> I'm also speaking in these
>=20
> Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room #3 Nusa Dua Hall 3
> WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free Expression=20
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D357=20
>=20
>=20
> Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7
> WS 210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG=20
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D210=20
>=20
>=20
> Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall 2
> WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable Development=20
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D324=20
>=20
>=20
> Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1=20
> WS 212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism=20
> =
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?=
xpsltipq_je=3D212=20
>=20
> and probably others of us here are speaking in various other workshops =
and focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an NCSG page with =
everything, perhaps those folks could share any details here=85.
>=20
> Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali you can still =
participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid when you step =
out the door and freezing when you enter the convention hall, too. So I =
hope to 'see' some folks online=85
>=20
> Best,
>=20
> Bill
>=20
> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,=20
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
> www.williamdrake.org
> ***********************************************************
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">Hi<div><br></div><div><div>On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Alain =
Berranger <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>>=
; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">who is representing NCSG =
please?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>'Participating from' would be a =
better fit=85.a precise head count would be difficult since we didn't =
attempt to coordinate and there were said to be @ 1500 people =
registered=85.@ two dozen NCUCers, as well as Marie-Laure and probably =
others from NPOC=85she'd know the latter better than =
I.</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:56 PM, DeeDee Halleck =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bill,<div style=3D"">I searched for quite =
while to participate and I could not find any links to actual =
participation.</div><div style=3D"">Yes, the IGF geeks may have the =
technology to do good interaction, but they need to make it more =
accessible.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Sorry to hear this, =
don't know what happened. There were remote participants in the =
sessions I attended or know about.</div><div><br></div><div>Overall, =
despite some issues in the preparatory process (e.g. the very delayed =
host country agreement and consequent travel problems for some folks), =
most people I've spoken with seemed to think it was a rather successful =
IGF, with a lot of solid workshops and some good main sessions and =
pre-events as well. Our workshops were pretty well attended and =
successful, with some vibrant debates on substantive issues; have a look =
at the videos if interested <a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/igf/videos">http://www.youtube.com/use=
r/igf/videos</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>If they have a moment, it'd =
be good if some of the other folks in attendance could share their =
impressions...</div><div><br></div><div>But the most important stuff may =
have happened outside the programmed events, e.g. in side meetings, =
corridor conversations, etc. The main focal point there was the =
2014 meeting in Brazil that Fadi and Dilma Rousseff announced. I =
guess I'll send a separate message on =
that.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><d=
iv> </div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:55 AM, William Drake =
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: =
auto; "><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>The =
IGF has begun here in Bali, and we have a pretty good contingent and a =
lot of stuff on the program that would be worth checking out. =
IGF's remote participation is always pretty good, so I hope some =
members around the world will be able to join us. [NB: =
Depasar is UTC/GMT +8 hours, so adjust the times below =
accordingly]</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here's what I know about. =
</div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, 16:30-18:00, Room =
8, Kintamani 2<br><b>WS 249 Civil Society in ICANN=92s =
Multistakeholderism: The GNSO Case [joint between NCSG, NCUC and =
NPOC]</b><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_sta=
tus_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D249</a><br><br><br>
NCUC also has two other workshops:<br><br>Thursday October 24, =
11:00-12:30, Room 10, Kintamani 6<br><b>WS 253 The Debate on =
=91Closed=92 Generic Top Level Domains</b> <br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_li=
st_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_acc=
omplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D253</a><br>
<br><br>Friday October 25, 11:00-12:30, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS 282 =
Internet/Telecom =91Convergence=92 and Global Internet =
Governance </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_sta=
tus_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D282</a> </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In addition, Robin has this one of =
particular relevance</div><div><br></div><div>Friday October =
25, 9:00-10:30, Room 3, Nusa Dua Hall 3</div><div><b>No. =
129 Human Rights & Multi-Stakeholder Governance: ICANN =
Experience</b></div>
<div><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129" =
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tus_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D129</a></div><br>
<div><br></div><div>I'm also speaking in =
these</div><div><br></div><div>Wednesday October 23, 11:00-12:30, Room =
#3 Nusa Dua Hall 3<br><b>WS 357 The Cloud, Many Clouds, and Free =
Expression </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_sta=
tus_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D357</a> <br>
<br><br>Thursday October 24, 14:30-16:00, Room 9, Kintamani 7<br><b>WS =
210 The Technical Community Role in Global IG </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_sta=
tus_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D210</a> <br>
<br><br>Thursday October 24, 16:30-18:00, Room 1, Nusa Dua Hall =
2<br><b>WS 324 Enhanced Cooperation for Sustainable =
Development </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_sta=
tus_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D324</a> <br>
<br><br>Friday October 25, 9:00-10:30, Room 4, Uluwatu 1 <br><b>WS =
212 Exploring the Dimensions of Multistakeholderism </b><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_v=
iew.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_sta=
tus_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=3D212</a> <br>
<br></div><div>and probably others of us here are speaking in various =
other workshops and focus sessions... Since we didn't put up an =
NCSG page with everything, perhaps those folks could share any details =
here=85.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Again, as with ICANN meetings, if you're not in Bali =
you can still participate=97and without being miserably hot and humid =
when you step out the door and freezing when you enter the convention =
hall, too. So I hope to 'see' some folks online=85</div>
=
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></di=
v><div>
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***************<br>William J. Drake<br>International Fellow =
& Lecturer<br> Media Change & Innovation =
Division, IPMZ<br>
University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>Chair, =
Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br> ICANN, <a =
href=3D"http://www.ncuc.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.ncuc.org</a><br><a =
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Hi
Further to the message I just sent about NCSG @ Bali=85.There was a =
significant flurry of activity at the IGF around the 2014 IG reform =
meeting in Brazil that Fadi and Dilma Rousseff announced. This included =
several meetings of the emergent multistakeholder =
coalition/platform/whatever intended to work with Brazil and other =
governments and feed into an organizing committee; meetings within civil =
society and other SGs, as well as between them and Fadi; extensive =
debate about what the agenda could entail, and on and on. Lot of buzz, =
speculation, prognosticating and all the rest. All the possibilities on =
the table=97e.g. some sort of agreement on overarching principles of IG, =
proposals regarding the globalization of the US government roles and of =
ICANN, establishment of new mechanisms to deal with "orphaned" issues =
that don't have fixed multilateral/multistakeholder institutional homes, =
something about surveillance, etc.=97are of very direct relevance to us. =
=20
It'd make sense for civil society @ ICANN to be directly involved in =
this at every step along the way. We laid the foundations for that =
through a lot of networking in Bali, but will now need to get organized =
on a wider and more inclusive scale, and to build on it both =
independently and within the more IGF-oriented CS coalitions (e.g. =
Internet Governance Caucus, Best Bits) that include many people not =
involved in (and/or necessarily well disposed to) ICANN. For a meeting =
with governments somewhere in the last week of April/first week of May, =
inputs will be needed by March and earlier, at the same time we all have =
a lot else going on=97the BA meeting, NCSG and NCUC elections and =
transitions, NCUC policy conference in Singapore, etc. etc. =20
I would suggest that in BA we make time to discuss this on Constituency =
Day, as well as with At Large. In parallel, we will need some online =
conversation and consensus-building among our wider membership. =20
So=85lots to discuss and do. =20
Best,
Bill
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William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,=20
ICANN, www.ncuc.org
[log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h),
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"><div><br></div><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>Further to the message =
I just sent about NCSG @ Bali=85.There was a significant flurry of =
activity at the IGF around the 2014 IG reform meeting in Brazil =
that Fadi and Dilma Rousseff announced. This included several =
meetings of the emergent multistakeholder coalition/platform/whatever =
intended to work with Brazil and other governments and feed into an =
organizing committee; meetings within civil society and other SGs, =
as well as between them and Fadi; extensive debate about what the =
agenda could entail, and on and on. Lot of buzz, speculation, =
prognosticating and all the rest. All the possibilities on the =
table=97e.g. some sort of agreement on overarching principles of IG, =
proposals regarding the globalization of the US government roles and of =
ICANN, establishment of new mechanisms to deal with "orphaned" issues =
that don't have fixed multilateral/multistakeholder institutional homes, =
something about surveillance, etc.=97are of very direct relevance to us. =
</div><div><br></div><div>It'd make sense for civil society @ =
ICANN to be directly involved in this at every step along the way. =
We laid the foundations for that through a lot of networking in =
Bali, but will now need to get organized on a wider and more inclusive =
scale, and to build on it both independently and within the more =
IGF-oriented CS coalitions (e.g. Internet Governance Caucus, Best Bits) =
that include many people not involved in (and/or necessarily well =
disposed to) ICANN. For a meeting with governments somewhere in =
the last week of April/first week of May, inputs will be needed by March =
and earlier, at the same time we all have a lot else going on=97the BA =
meeting, NCSG and NCUC elections and transitions, NCUC policy conference =
in Singapore, etc. etc. </div><div><br></div><div>I would suggest =
that in BA we make time to discuss this on Constituency Day, as =
well as with At Large. In parallel, we will need some online =
conversation and consensus-building among our wider membership. =
</div><div><br></div><div>So=85lots to discuss and do. =
</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><=
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Will suggest that we should.
S
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:22 PM, avri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
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> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
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> avri
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Will suggest that we should. </div><div><br></div><div>S<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:22 PM, avri <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><a href="http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html">http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a><div><br></div><div>Do we want to endorse as ncsg?</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">avri</div><div style="font-size:75%"><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div></div></blockquote></body></html>
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Avri wrote:
> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
I support NCSG (or NCUC if NPOC don't agree) signing this.
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I thing we should sign, and moreover, we should discuss what
multistakeholderism means in our ranks. As a computer scientist I can't
help feeling that we need more diverse people in these lists.
WR
Nuno Garcia
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> I support NCSG (or NCUC if NPOC don't agree) signing this.
>
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I thing we should sign, and moreover, we should discuss what multistakehold=
erism means in our ranks. As a computer scientist I can't help feeling =
that we need more diverse=A0people in these lists.<div><br></div><div>WR</d=
iv>
<div><br></div><div>Nuno Garcia<br><br>On Sunday, October 27, 2013, Andrew =
A. Adams wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Avri wrote:<br>
> <a href=3D"http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html" target=3D"_blank">http://=
igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a><br>
<br>
> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?<br>
<br>
I support NCSG (or NCUC if NPOC don't agree) signing this.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Yes
wolfgang
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Will suggest that we should.
S
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http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
avri
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NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to widen
the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated with IG, and
governments obsession to gain control, and call for generating an open
agenda we are talking about something totally different,
Regards
Jorge
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> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
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> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
>
> avri
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if =
they are willing to widen the discussion to universal rights and other issu=
es associated with IG, and governments obsession to gain control, and call =
for generating an open agenda we are talking about something totally differ=
ent,</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Jorge</div><div>=A0</div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 201=
3 at 5:22 AM, avri <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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html" target=3D"_blank">http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a><div><br></div>=
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Do we want to endorse as ncsg?</div><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:=
75%">avri</div><div style=3D"font-size:75%"><br></div><div style=3D"font-si=
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hi,
Good point. =20
I read somewhere there was a way to sign and add something, though I may =
have just been hallucinating during the long trip back from the hot =
sweaty place that was Bali. I will check on that and get back to the =
list on whether that is possible.
We can always just put our own signing statement that includes what you =
said ... and perhaps other stuff people think needs to be said about =
the Brazil et al. sponsored whatchamacallit.=20
i.e something like
We wish to support the stmtn ...
but wish to add that ...
avri
On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:32, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>=20
> NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to =
widen the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated =
with IG, and governments obsession to gain control, and call for =
generating an open agenda we are talking about something totally =
different,
>=20
> Regards
> Jorge
> =20
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
>=20
> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
>=20
> avri
>=20
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>=20
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:51:18 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Sign-On Statement regarding the 2014 Internet
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I=92m bringing this to NPOC=92s policy committee. We will respond asap, =
taken into account today is Sunday !
Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
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> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
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> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
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> avri
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bringing this to NPOC=92s policy committee. We will respond asap, taken =
into account today is Sunday !<div><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">=
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:58:42 -0500
Reply-To: Jorge Amodio <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Jorge Amodio <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sign-On Statement regarding the 2014 Internet Governance
Summit in Brazil
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Hi Avri,
something like that should work.
My major concern is what is being used as a motivation or primary focus,
which IMHO is a political issue that the proposed summit will not
contribute much to solve, unless the participants have a lot of lobbying
power ($$) in the US Congress.
Are people willing to talk openly about the vast number of issues related
to this topic like the big firewall of China, or repressive regimes that
target bloggers, or shutting down Internet services to avoid people getting
organized, or government officials (as it happened in Brazil) snooping on
the communication of their political opposition, or online persecution in
Russia of LBGT organizations and supporters, or how some governments let
criminal organizations to conduct nefarious business like the exchange of
child pornography ?, and so on, then we can add the NSA surveillance as one
more topic to discuss, not THE topic.
Failing to see the big picture will make this summit just a show of
political attitudes against the subject of Internet control by the Evil
Empire (ie the USG)
My .04
Jorge
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> hi,
>
> Good point.
>
> I read somewhere there was a way to sign and add something, though I may
> have just been hallucinating during the long trip back from the hot sweaty
> place that was Bali. I will check on that and get back to the list on
> whether that is possible.
>
> We can always just put our own signing statement that includes what you
> said ... and perhaps other stuff people think needs to be said about the
> Brazil et al. sponsored whatchamacallit.
>
> i.e something like
>
> We wish to support the stmtn ...
> but wish to add that ...
>
> avri
>
>
> On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:32, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
> >
> > NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to
> widen the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated with
> IG, and governments obsession to gain control, and call for generating an
> open agenda we are talking about something totally different,
> >
> > Regards
> > Jorge
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
> >
> > Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
> >
> > avri
> >
> > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> >
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Hi Avri,</div><div><br></div><div>some=
thing like that should work.</div><div><br></div><div>My major concern is w=
hat is being used as a motivation or primary focus, which IMHO is a politic=
al issue that the proposed summit will not contribute much to solve, unless=
the participants have a lot of lobbying power ($$) in the US Congress.</di=
v>
<div><br></div><div>Are people willing to talk openly about the vast number=
of issues related to this topic like the big firewall of China, or repress=
ive regimes that target bloggers, or shutting down Internet services to avo=
id people getting organized, or government officials (as it happened in Bra=
zil) snooping on the communication of their political opposition, or online=
persecution in Russia =A0of LBGT organizations and supporters, or how some=
governments let criminal organizations to conduct nefarious business like =
the exchange of child pornography ?, and so on, then we can add the NSA sur=
veillance as one more topic to discuss, not THE topic.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Failing to see the big picture will make this summit ju=
st a show of political attitudes against the subject of Internet control by=
the Evil Empire (ie the USG)</div><div><br></div><div>My .04</div><div>
Jorge</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Avri Doria <span dir=3D=
"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]<=
/a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">hi,<br>
<br>
Good point.<br>
<br>
I read somewhere there was a way to sign and add something, though I may ha=
ve just been hallucinating during the long trip back from the hot sweaty pl=
ace that was Bali. =A0I will check on that and get back to the list on whet=
her that is possible.<br>
<br>
We can always just put our own signing statement that includes what you sai=
d ... =A0and perhaps other stuff people think needs to be said about the Br=
azil et al. sponsored whatchamacallit.<br>
<br>
i.e something like<br>
<br>
We wish to support the stmtn ...<br>
but wish to add that ...<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
avri<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:32, Jorge Amodio wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
> NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to w=
iden the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated with IG=
, and governments obsession to gain control, and call for generating an ope=
n agenda we are talking about something totally different,<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Jorge<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
rg">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
> <a href=3D"http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html" target=3D"_blank">http://=
igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a><br>
><br>
> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device<br>
><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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And let me add, I still don't understand what the heck is Fadi doing in the
middle of it since this matter goes way beyond his duties and
responsibilities as the CEO of ICANN.
-J
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div>And let me add, I still don't understand what the heck is Fadi doing in the middle of it since this matter goes way beyond his duties and responsibilities as the CEO of ICANN.</div><div><br></div>
<div>-J</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 15:43:20 -0500
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Ohh that's great then, where is my $ 350K salary check ?
BTW, ICANN has no "shareholders" you may be probably talking about
"stakeholders"
-J
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> for him there is no any difference between staff and shareholders.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
> On 28.10.2013 0:01, Jorge Amodio wrote:
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>
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> Grigori Saghyan
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Ohh that's great then, where is my $ 350K salary check ?</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, ICANN has no "shareholders" you may be probably talking about "stakeholders"</div><div>
<br></div><div>-J</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Grigori Saghyan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear All,<br>
there is a big gap between shareholders and the management in any<br>
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for him there is no any difference between staff and shareholders.<br>
Grigori Saghyan<br>
<a href="http://ISOC.AM" target="_blank">ISOC.AM</a><br>
On 28.10.2013 0:01, Jorge Amodio wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Grigori Saghyan<br></blockquote></div></div></div>
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:33:59 +0400
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Summit in Brazil
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Dear All,
there is a big gap between shareholders and the management in any
organization, including ICANN. Fadi have announced in Toronto, that
for him there is no any difference between staff and shareholders.
Grigori Saghyan
ISOC.AM
On 28.10.2013 0:01, Jorge Amodio wrote:
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It's not, really. Surveillance revelations lit the match and changed =
the political landscape, but the what's been discussed thus far is a =
broader focus on some mix of principles, USG role in CIR, orphan issues. =
Surveillance is being pursued in UNGA.
Bill
On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Jorge Amodio <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to =
widen the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated =
with IG, and governments obsession to gain control, and call for =
generating an open agenda we are talking about something totally =
different,
>=20
> Regards
> Jorge
> =20
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
>=20
> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
>=20
> avri
>=20
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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<br><div><div>On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Jorge Amodio <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to widen the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated with IG, and governments obsession to gain control, and call for generating an open agenda we are talking about something totally different,</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Jorge</div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><a href="http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a><div><br></div><div>
Do we want to endorse as ncsg?</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">avri</div><div style="font-size:75%"><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div></blockquote></div><br>
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:19:08 -0700
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+1
I just sent an email signing on as the Church of Reality. I think we
should support it.
On 10/27/2013 4:23 AM, Andrew A. Adams wrote:
> Avri wrote:
>> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
>> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
> I support NCSG (or NCUC if NPOC don't agree) signing this.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:23:09 -0700
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I think surveillance is a starting point. I agree that the discussion
should be widened. So - let's participate and widen it to include
universal rights.
On 10/27/2013 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
> NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to
> widen the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated
> with IG, and governments obsession to gain control, and call for
> generating an open agenda we are talking about something totally
> different,
>
> Regards
> Jorge
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
>
> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
>
> avri
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
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I think surveillance is a starting point. I agree that the
discussion should be widened. So - let's participate and widen it to
include universal rights.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/27/2013 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:[log in to unmask]"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are
willing to widen the discussion to universal rights and other
issues associated with IG, and governments obsession to gain
control, and call for generating an open agenda we are talking
about something totally different,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Jorge</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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href="http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a>
<div><br>
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Do we want to endorse as ncsg?</div>
<div><br>
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<div style="font-size:75%">avri</div>
<div style="font-size:75%"><br>
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 23:29:26 -0400
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From: Joly MacFie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sign-On Statement regarding the 2014 Internet Governance
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On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I read somewhere there was a way to sign and add something, though I may
> have just been hallucinating during the long trip back from the hot sweaty
> place that was Bali. I will check on that and get back to the list on
> whether that is possible.
That was me, I believe further qualifying statements can be added at
http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/sign-on-endorse-plus
j
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 06:12:37 -0500
Reply-To: Jorge Amodio <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Jorge Amodio <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sign-On Statement regarding the 2014 Internet Governance
Summit in Brazil
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Then why your Church didn't see the "Reality" when China started filtering
packets, censuring content, persecuting bloggers ?
-J
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Marc Perkel <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> I think surveillance is a starting point. I agree that the discussion
> should be widened. So - let's participate and widen it to include universal
> rights.
>
>
> On 10/27/2013 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
>
> NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing to widen
> the discussion to universal rights and other issues associated with IG, and
> governments obsession to gain control, and call for generating an open
> agenda we are talking about something totally different,
>
> Regards
> Jorge
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
>>
>> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
>>
>> avri
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Then why your Church didn't see the "Rea=
lity" when China started filtering packets, censuring content, persecu=
ting bloggers ?</div><div><br></div><div>-J</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Marc P=
erkel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
I think surveillance is a starting point. I agree that the
discussion should be widened. So - let's participate and widen it t=
o
include universal rights.<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<div>On 10/27/2013 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div>NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are
willing to widen the discussion to universal rights and other
issues associated with IG, and governments obsession to gain
control, and call for generating an open agenda we are talking
about something totally different,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Jorge</div>
<div>=A0</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">avri@=
acm.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><a href=3D"http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
Do we want to endorse as ncsg?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:75%">avri</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:75%"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:75%">Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE
Device</div>
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:50:01 -0700
Reply-To: Marc Perkel <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Marc Perkel <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sign-On Statement regarding the 2014 Internet Governance
Summit in Brazil
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If we had an international forum where IG can be addressed and we can
create a declaration of human rights for the Internet we could address
the issues in China. This is starting with the NSA abuses but is not
limited to them. We need to fix the problems in all countries so that
everyone is on the same page.
On 10/28/2013 4:12 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
> Then why your Church didn't see the "Reality" when China started
> filtering packets, censuring content, persecuting bloggers ?
>
> -J
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Marc Perkel
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> I think surveillance is a starting point. I agree that the
> discussion should be widened. So - let's participate and widen it
> to include universal rights.
>
>
> On 10/27/2013 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>
>> NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing
>> to widen the discussion to universal rights and other issues
>> associated with IG, and governments obsession to gain control,
>> and call for generating an open agenda we are talking about
>> something totally different,
>>
>> Regards
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
>>
>> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
>>
>> avri
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>
>>
>
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If we had an international forum where IG can be addressed and we
can create a declaration of human rights for the Internet we could
address the issues in China. This is starting with the NSA abuses
but is not limited to them. We need to fix the problems in all
countries so that everyone is on the same page.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/28/2013 4:12 AM, Jorge Amodio
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:[log in to unmask]"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>Then why your Church didn't see the "Reality" when China
started filtering packets, censuring content, persecuting
bloggers ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-J</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Marc
Perkel <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I think surveillance
is a starting point. I agree that the discussion should be
widened. So - let's participate and widen it to include
universal rights.
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<div>On 10/27/2013 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now
if they are willing to widen the discussion to
universal rights and other issues associated
with IG, and governments obsession to gain
control, and call for generating an open agenda
we are talking about something totally
different,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Jorge</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at
5:22 AM, avri <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html"
target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html</a>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Do we want to endorse as ncsg?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-size:75%">avri</div>
<div style="font-size:75%"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-size:75%">Sent from my
T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div>
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Subject: 29 October 16:00 UTC -> NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting -
AGENDA & Remote Participation Details
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Dear All:
All NCSG members are welcome and encouraged to participate in tomorrow's =
NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting. This meeting is typically held =
2-days before each GNSO Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO Counselors can =
discuss the counsel's agenda with the NCSG membership and receive input =
from the membership to contribute to Thursday's GNSO Counsel Meeting. =
We also review our inputs and policy contributions into ICANN working =
groups, task forces, and open comment periods. Below is the draft =
discussion agenda and remote participate details so you may each join in =
tomorrow's call and contribute to the discussion.
Thank you,
Robin
NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting
29 October 2013 - Tuesday
16:00 -18:00 UTC
Remote Participation Details:
Telephone: http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/
Other Time Zones: =
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membe=
rship+Policy+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2
DRAFT DISCUSSION AGENDA
I. Update from IGF 2013 Discussions
See: http://www.intgovforum.org
II. 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting Preparations
See: =
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+October+=
2013
A. All 6 NCSG GNSO Counselors Prepared to Participate or Request =
Proxy?
B. Motions for a Vote on Thursday
C. Discussion Items
III. Update on ICANN Working Groups / Task Forces
A. WHOIS Working Groups
B. Accountability and Transparency Review Team
C. Special Privileges for RedCross, Olympic Cmte, InterGov Orgs =
Working Group
IV. Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)
See: http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment
V. Planning for ICANN #48 in Buenos Aires
NCSG Mtgs Plan: =
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUs=
wQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsharing
ICANN Mtgs Plan: http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/
VI. AOB
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"><div>Dear All:</div><div><br></div><div>All NCSG members are welcome =
and encouraged to participate in tomorrow's NCSG Open Membership Policy =
Meeting. This meeting is typically held 2-days before each GNSO =
Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO Counselors can discuss the counsel's =
agenda with the NCSG membership and receive input from the membership to =
contribute to Thursday's GNSO Counsel Meeting. We also review our =
inputs and policy contributions into ICANN working groups, task forces, =
and open comment periods. Below is the draft discussion agenda and =
remote participate details so you may each join in tomorrow's call and =
contribute to the discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank =
you,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: =
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; =
"><div><span><strong><span><strong><u>NCSG Open Membership Policy =
Meeting</u></strong></span></strong></span></div><div><span><strong><span>=
29</span><span><strong> October</strong></span><span> </sp=
an><span>2013 - =
Tuesday</span></strong></span></div><div><span><strong><span> 16:00 =
-18:00 =
UTC</span></strong></span></div><div><span><strong><br></strong></span></d=
iv><div><span><strong>Remote Participation =
Details</strong>:<br>Telephone: <a class=3D"external-link" =
href=3D"http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm" =
rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); text-decoration: =
underline; =
">http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm</a><br>Adobe =
Connect: <a class=3D"external-link" =
href=3D"https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/" rel=3D"nofollow"=
style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); text-decoration: underline; =
">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/</a></span></div></span>=
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); =
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: =
19px; ">Other Time Zones: <a =
href=3D"http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Op=
en+Membership+Policy+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2">http://www.=
timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membership+Polic=
y+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2</a></span></div><div><br></div>=
<div><b><u>DRAFT DISCUSSION =
AGENDA</u></b></div><div><br></div><div><div><b>I. Update =
from IGF 2013 Discussions</b></div><div> See: <a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org">http://www.intgovforum.org</a></div><d=
iv><br></div><div><b>II. 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting =
Preparations</b></div><div> See: <a =
href=3D"https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+=
October+2013">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agen=
da+31+October+2013</a></div><div> A. <i>All 6 NCSG GNSO =
Counselors Prepared to Participate or Request =
Proxy?</i></div><div> B. Motions for a Vote on =
Thursday</div><div> C. Discussion =
Items</div><div><br></div><div><b>III. Update on ICANN Working =
Groups / Task Forces</b></div><div> A. WHOIS Working =
Groups</div><div> B. Accountability and Transparency Review =
Team</div><div> C. Special Privileges for RedCross, Olympic =
Cmte, InterGov Orgs Working Group</div><div><br></div><div><b>IV. =
Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)</b></div><div> =
See: <a =
href=3D"http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment">http://www.icann.org/=
en/news/public-comment</a></div><div><br></div><div><b>V. =
Planning for ICANN #48 in Buenos Aires</b></div><div><b> =
</b>NCSG Mtgs Plan: <a =
href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SUR=
HZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsharing">https://docs.google.com/spread=
sheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsha=
ring</a></div><div><b> </b>ICANN Mtgs Plan: <a =
href=3D"http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/">http://buenosaires48.icann.org=
/en/</a></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>VI. =
AOB</b></div></div></body></html>=
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 07:00:31 -0700
Reply-To: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: ATRT2 Draft Recommendations & Report
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: Alice Jansen <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [Soac-infoalert] ATRT2 Draft Recommendations & Report
> Date: October 29, 2013 5:41:30 AM PDT
> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>=20
> Dear All,
>=20
> With the goal of producing its final recommendations by 31 December =
2013, the Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2), =
mandated by paragraph 9.1 of the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC), now =
seeks the Community's reactions to its Draft Report & Recommendations to =
inform its final report.=20
> =20
> The ATRT2 developed its draft recommendations and report based on the =
analysis and assessment it conducted throughout the past six months and =
in light of a variety of sessions and exchanges it held with the ICANN =
Community, Board and staff.=20
>=20
> The ATRT 2 invites the Community to react to its draft recommendations =
and welcomes any additional feedback =96 see public comment period: =
http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-recommendations-21oct13-=
en.htm. Comments =96 to be submitted to =
[log in to unmask] - will be received by =
22 November =96 23:59 UTC, followed by a reply comment period scheduled =
to end on 13 December 2013.=20
> =20
> Please note that the ATRT2 will meet with a number of groups in Buenos =
Aires to collect feedback.
>=20
> Best regards
>=20
> ICANN staff
> _______________________________________________
> soac-infoalert mailing list
> [log in to unmask]
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/soac-infoalert
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"><div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Alice Jansen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br><=
/span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;"><b>[Soac-infoalert] ATRT2 Draft Recommendations & =
Report</b><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;">October 29, 2013 5:41:30 AM PDT<br></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>" =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><=
br></span></div><br>
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DWindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; "><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; ">Dear All,</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; ">With the goal of producing its final recommendations by 31 =
December 2013, the Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team =
(ATRT 2), mandated by paragraph 9.1 of the Affirmation of Commitments =
(AoC), now seeks the Community's reactions to its <a =
href=3D"http://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/atrt/draft-recommendation=
s-15oct13-en.pdf" style=3D"color: purple; "><span =
style=3D"text-decoration: none; ">Draft Report & =
Recommendations</span></a> to inform its final =
report. </span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; "><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family: =
Calibri; font-size: medium; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The ATRT2 developed its =
draft recommendations and report based on the analysis and =
assessment it conducted throughout the past six months and in light =
of a variety of sessions and exchanges it held with the ICANN =
Community, Board and staff. </span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri; =
font-size: medium; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri; =
font-size: medium; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The ATRT 2 invites the Community to =
react to its draft recommendations and welcomes any additional =
feedback =96 see public comment period: <a =
href=3D"http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-recommendations-=
21oct13-en.htm" style=3D"color: purple; =
">http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-recommendations-21oct1=
3-en.htm</a>. Comments =96 to be submitted to <a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
style=3D"color: purple; =
">[log in to unmask]</a> - will =
be received by 22 November =96 23:59 UTC, followed by a reply comment =
period scheduled to end on 13 December 2013. </span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri; =
font-size: medium; "><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"> </span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: =
medium; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Please note that the ATRT2 will meet =
with a number of groups in Buenos Aires to collect =
feedback.</span></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Best =
regards</div><div><br></div><div>ICANN staff</div></div>
_______________________________________________<br>soac-infoalert =
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:56:51 -0700
Reply-To: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Now ->29 October 16:00 UTC - NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting
- AGENDA & Remote Participation Details
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> Dear All:
>=20
> All NCSG members are welcome and encouraged to participate in =
tomorrow's NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting. This meeting is =
typically held 2-days before each GNSO Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO =
Counselors can discuss the counsel's agenda with the NCSG membership and =
receive input from the membership to contribute to Thursday's GNSO =
Counsel Meeting. We also review our inputs and policy contributions =
into ICANN working groups, task forces, and open comment periods. Below =
is the draft discussion agenda and remote participate details so you may =
each join in tomorrow's call and contribute to the discussion.
>=20
> Thank you,
> Robin
>=20
> NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting
> 29 October 2013 - Tuesday
> 16:00 -18:00 UTC
>=20
> Remote Participation Details:
> Telephone: http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
> Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/
> Other Time Zones: =
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membe=
rship+Policy+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2
>=20
> DRAFT DISCUSSION AGENDA
>=20
> I. Update from IGF 2013 Discussions
> See: http://www.intgovforum.org
>=20
> II. 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting Preparations
> See: =
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+October+=
2013
> A. All 6 NCSG GNSO Counselors Prepared to Participate or Request =
Proxy?
> B. Motions for a Vote on Thursday
> C. Discussion Items
>=20
> III. Update on ICANN Working Groups / Task Forces
> A. WHOIS Working Groups
> B. Accountability and Transparency Review Team
> C. Special Privileges for RedCross, Olympic Cmte, InterGov Orgs =
Working Group
>=20
> IV. Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)
> See: http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment
>=20
> V. Planning for ICANN #48 in Buenos Aires
> NCSG Mtgs Plan: =
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUs=
wQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsharing
> ICANN Mtgs Plan: http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/
>=20
> VI. AOB
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><div>Dear All:</div><div><br></div><div>All NCSG members are welcome =
and encouraged to participate in tomorrow's NCSG Open Membership Policy =
Meeting. This meeting is typically held 2-days before each GNSO =
Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO Counselors can discuss the counsel's =
agenda with the NCSG membership and receive input from the membership to =
contribute to Thursday's GNSO Counsel Meeting. We also review our =
inputs and policy contributions into ICANN working groups, task forces, =
and open comment periods. Below is the draft discussion agenda and =
remote participate details so you may each join in tomorrow's call and =
contribute to the discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank =
you,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: =
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; =
"><div><span><strong><span><strong><u>NCSG Open Membership Policy =
Meeting</u></strong></span></strong></span></div><div><span><strong><span>=
29</span><span><strong> October</strong></span><span> </sp=
an><span>2013 - =
Tuesday</span></strong></span></div><div><span><strong><span> 16:00 =
-18:00 =
UTC</span></strong></span></div><div><span><strong><br></strong></span></d=
iv><div><span><strong>Remote Participation =
Details</strong>:<br>Telephone: <a class=3D"external-link" =
href=3D"http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm" =
rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); text-decoration: =
underline; =
">http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm</a><br>Adobe =
Connect: <a class=3D"external-link" =
href=3D"https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/" rel=3D"nofollow"=
style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); text-decoration: underline; =
">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/</a></span></div></span>=
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); =
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: =
19px; ">Other Time Zones: <a =
href=3D"http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Op=
en+Membership+Policy+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2">http://www.=
timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membership+Polic=
y+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2</a></span></div><div><br></div>=
<div><b><u>DRAFT DISCUSSION =
AGENDA</u></b></div><div><br></div><div><div><b>I. Update =
from IGF 2013 Discussions</b></div><div> See: <a =
href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/">http://www.intgovforum.org</a></div><=
div><br></div><div><b>II. 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting =
Preparations</b></div><div> See: <a =
href=3D"https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+=
October+2013">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agen=
da+31+October+2013</a></div><div> A. <i>All 6 NCSG GNSO =
Counselors Prepared to Participate or Request =
Proxy?</i></div><div> B. Motions for a Vote on =
Thursday</div><div> C. Discussion =
Items</div><div><br></div><div><b>III. Update on ICANN Working =
Groups / Task Forces</b></div><div> A. WHOIS Working =
Groups</div><div> B. Accountability and Transparency Review =
Team</div><div> C. Special Privileges for RedCross, Olympic =
Cmte, InterGov Orgs Working Group</div><div><br></div><div><b>IV. =
Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)</b></div><div> =
See: <a =
href=3D"http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment">http://www.icann.org/=
en/news/public-comment</a></div><div><br></div><div><b>V. =
Planning for ICANN #48 in Buenos Aires</b></div><div><b> =
</b>NCSG Mtgs Plan: <a =
href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SUR=
HZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsharing">https://docs.google.com/spread=
sheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsha=
ring</a></div><div><b> </b>ICANN Mtgs Plan: <a =
href=3D"http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/">http://buenosaires48.icann.org=
/en/</a></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>VI. =
AOB</b></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>=
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Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Now ->29 October 16:00 UTC - NCSG Open Membership
Policy Meeting - AGENDA & Remote Participation Details
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Dear all,
Apologies but I arrived very late last night from Bali and was not able to
make it for this morning conference call. I trust you had a good meeting.
Best,
Marie-laure
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> All NCSG members are welcome and encouraged to participate in tomorrow's
> NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting. This meeting is typically held 2-days
> before each GNSO Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO Counselors can discuss the
> counsel's agenda with the NCSG membership and receive input from the
> membership to contribute to Thursday's GNSO Counsel Meeting. We also
> review our inputs and policy contributions into ICANN working groups, task
> forces, and open comment periods. Below is the draft discussion agenda and
> remote participate details so you may each join in tomorrow's call and
> contribute to the discussion.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
> *NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting*
> * 29 October 2013 - Tuesday*
> * 16:00 -18:00 UTC*
> *
> *
> *Remote Participation Details*:
> Telephone: http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
> Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/
> Other Time Zones:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Open+Membership+Policy+Meeting&iso=20131029T16&ah=2
>
> *DRAFT DISCUSSION AGENDA*
>
> *I. Update from IGF 2013 Discussions*
> See: http://www.intgovforum.org
>
> *II. 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting Preparations*
> See:
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+October+2013
> A. *All 6 NCSG GNSO Counselors Prepared to Participate or Request Proxy?
> *
> B. Motions for a Vote on Thursday
> C. Discussion Items
>
> *III. Update on ICANN Working Groups / Task Forces*
> A. WHOIS Working Groups
> B. Accountability and Transparency Review Team
> C. Special Privileges for RedCross, Olympic Cmte, InterGov Orgs Working
> Group
>
> *IV. Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)*
> See: http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment
>
> *V. Planning for ICANN #48 in Buenos Aires*
> * *NCSG Mtgs Plan:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=sharing
> * *ICANN Mtgs Plan: http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/
> *
> *
> *VI. AOB*
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Apologies but I arrived very =
late last night from Bali and was not able to make it for this morning conf=
erence call. I trust you had a good meeting.</div><div><br></div><div style=
>
Best,</div><div style><br></div><div style>Marie-laure</div></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 a=
t 11:56 PM, Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:robin@ipjus=
tice.org" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Dear All:</=
div><div>
<br></div><div>All NCSG members are welcome and encouraged to participate i=
n tomorrow's NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting. =A0This meeting is ty=
pically held 2-days before each GNSO Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO Cou=
nselors can discuss the counsel's agenda with the NCSG membership and r=
eceive input from the membership to contribute to Thursday's GNSO Couns=
el Meeting. =A0We also review our inputs and policy contributions into ICAN=
N working groups, task forces, and open comment periods. =A0Below is the dr=
aft discussion agenda and remote participate details so you may each join i=
n tomorrow's call and contribute to the discussion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;line-height:19px"><div><span><strong><span><strong><u>NCSG Open =
Membership Policy Meeting</u></strong></span></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><span>=A029</span><span><strong>=A0October</strong></spa=
n><span>=A0</span><span>2013 - Tuesday</span></strong></span></div><div><sp=
an><strong><span>=A016:00 -18:00 UTC</span></strong></span></div><div><span=
><strong><br>
</strong></span></div><div><span><strong>Remote Participation Details</stro=
ng>:<br>Telephone:=A0=A0<a href=3D"http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Pas=
scodes.htm" rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"color:rgb(59,115,175);text-decoration=
:underline" target=3D"_blank">http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcode=
s.htm</a><br>
Adobe Connect:=A0=A0<a href=3D"https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/n=
csg/" rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"color:rgb(59,115,175);text-decoration:under=
line" target=3D"_blank">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/</a=
></span></div>
</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">Other Time Zones: <a href=3D"http://=
www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membership+Po=
licy+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2" target=3D"_blank">http://www=
.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membership+Polic=
y+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2</a></span></div>
<div><br></div><div><b><u>DRAFT DISCUSSION AGENDA</u></b></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><div><b>I. =A0 =A0Update from IGF 2013 Discussions</b></div><div>=
=A0 =A0 =A0 See: <a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.intgovforum.org</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><b>II. =A0 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting Preparations</b></div><=
div>=A0 =A0 =A0 See:=A0<a href=3D"https://community.icann.org/display/gnsoc=
ouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+October+2013" target=3D"_blank">https://community.=
icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+October+2013</a></div>
<div>=A0A. =A0<i>All 6 NCSG GNSO Counselors Prepared to Participate or Requ=
est Proxy?</i></div><div>=A0B. =A0Motions for a Vote on Thursday</div><div>=
=A0C. =A0Discussion Items</div><div><br></div><div><b>III. =A0 Update on IC=
ANN Working Groups / Task Forces</b></div>
<div>=A0A. =A0WHOIS Working Groups</div><div>=A0B. =A0Accountability and Tr=
ansparency Review Team</div><div>=A0C. =A0Special Privileges for RedCross, =
Olympic Cmte, InterGov Orgs Working Group</div><div><br></div><div><b>IV. =
=A0Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)</b></div>
<div>=A0 =A0 =A0See: =A0<a href=3D"http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comm=
ent" target=3D"_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment</a></div=
><div><br></div><div><b>V. =A0 Planning for ICANN #48 in Buenos Aires</b></=
div><div><b>=A0 =A0</b>NCSG Mtgs Plan: =A0<a href=3D"https://docs.google.co=
m/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&us=
p=3Dsharing" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsharing</a></div>
<div><b>=A0 =A0</b>ICANN Mtgs Plan: =A0<a href=3D"http://buenosaires48.ican=
n.org/en/" target=3D"_blank">http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/</a></div><d=
iv><b><br></b></div><div><b>VI. =A0AOB</b></div></div></div></blockquote></=
div><br>
</div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
PC-NCSG mailing list<br>
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>http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:59:29 +0100
Reply-To: Walid ALSAQAF <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Walid ALSAQAF <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Now ->29 October 16:00 UTC - NCSG Open Membership
Policy Meeting - AGENDA & Remote Participation Details
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Hello friends,
I also could not make it as I arrived late from a post-IGF meeting and
couldn't synchronize my time well. My apologies... I trust it was a good
meeting.
It was a pleasure meeting many of you in Bali and hope to engage more in
the future.
Best..
Sincerely,
Walid
-----------------
Walid Al-Saqaf
Program Director
Master of Global Journalism (MAGJ)
=C3=96rebro University, Sweden
Office: +46 19 303 339
Mobile: +46 76 233 9737
Room: F3125 - Forumhuset
email: [log in to unmask]
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:39 PM, marie-laure Lemineur <[log in to unmask]
m
> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Apologies but I arrived very late last night from Bali and was not able t=
o
> make it for this morning conference call. I trust you had a good meeting.
>
> Best,
>
> Marie-laure
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote=
:
>
>> Dear All:
>>
>> All NCSG members are welcome and encouraged to participate in tomorrow's
>> NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting. This meeting is typically held 2-d=
ays
>> before each GNSO Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO Counselors can discuss t=
he
>> counsel's agenda with the NCSG membership and receive input from the
>> membership to contribute to Thursday's GNSO Counsel Meeting. We also
>> review our inputs and policy contributions into ICANN working groups, ta=
sk
>> forces, and open comment periods. Below is the draft discussion agenda =
and
>> remote participate details so you may each join in tomorrow's call and
>> contribute to the discussion.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Robin
>>
>> *NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting*
>> * 29 October 2013 - Tuesday*
>> * 16:00 -18:00 UTC*
>> *
>> *
>> *Remote Participation Details*:
>> Telephone: http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
>> Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/
>> Other Time Zones:
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Mem=
bership+Policy+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2
>>
>> *DRAFT DISCUSSION AGENDA*
>>
>> *I. Update from IGF 2013 Discussions*
>> See: http://www.intgovforum.org
>>
>> *II. 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting Preparations*
>> See:
>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+Octobe=
r+2013
>> A. *All 6 NCSG GNSO Counselors Prepared to Participate or Request
>> Proxy?*
>> B. Motions for a Vote on Thursday
>> C. Discussion Items
>>
>> *III. Update on ICANN Working Groups / Task Forces*
>> A. WHOIS Working Groups
>> B. Accountability and Transparency Review Team
>> C. Special Privileges for RedCross, Olympic Cmte, InterGov Orgs Workin=
g
>> Group
>>
>> *IV. Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)*
>> See: http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment
>>
>> *V. Planning for ICANN #48 in Buenos Aires*
>> * *NCSG Mtgs Plan:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSS=
UswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsharing
>> * *ICANN Mtgs Plan: http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/
>> *
>> *
>> *VI. AOB*
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> [log in to unmask]
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello friends,<div><br></div><div>I also could not make it=
as I arrived late from a post-IGF meeting and couldn't synchronize my =
time well. My apologies... I trust it was a good meeting.<div><br></div><di=
v>
It was a pleasure meeting many of you in Bali and hope to engage more in th=
e future.</div><div><br></div><div>Best..</div></div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div>Sincerely,<br><br>Walid<br><br>----------=
-------<br>
<br>Walid Al-Saqaf<br><br>Program Director<br>Master of Global Journalism (=
MAGJ)<br>=C3=96rebro University, Sweden<br><br>Office: +46 19 303 339<br>Mo=
bile: +46 76 233 9737<br>Room: F3125 - Forumhuset<br>
<br>email: <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">walid=
[log in to unmask]</a></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:39 PM, marie-=
laure Lemineur <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Apologies but I arrived very =
late last night from Bali and was not able to make it for this morning conf=
erence call. I trust you had a good meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>
Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Marie-laure</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Tue, Oct=
29, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Robin Gross <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> w=
rote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div styl=
e=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"wor=
d-wrap:break-word">
<div>Dear All:</div><div>
<br></div><div>All NCSG members are welcome and encouraged to participate i=
n tomorrow's NCSG Open Membership Policy Meeting. =C2=A0This meeting is=
typically held 2-days before each GNSO Counsel Meeting so NCSG's GNSO =
Counselors can discuss the counsel's agenda with the NCSG membership an=
d receive input from the membership to contribute to Thursday's GNSO Co=
unsel Meeting. =C2=A0We also review our inputs and policy contributions int=
o ICANN working groups, task forces, and open comment periods. =C2=A0Below =
is the draft discussion agenda and remote participate details so you may ea=
ch join in tomorrow's call and contribute to the discussion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;line-height:19px"><div><span><strong><span><strong><u>NCSG Open =
Membership Policy Meeting</u></strong></span></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><span>=C2=A029</span><span><strong>=C2=A0October</strong=
></span><span>=C2=A0</span><span>2013 - Tuesday</span></strong></span></div=
><div><span><strong><span>=C2=A016:00 -18:00 UTC</span></strong></span></di=
v><div><span><strong><br>
</strong></span></div><div><span><strong>Remote Participation Details</stro=
ng>:<br>Telephone:=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NC=
SG_Passcodes.htm" rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"color:rgb(59,115,175);text-deco=
ration:underline" target=3D"_blank">http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Pa=
sscodes.htm</a><br>
Adobe Connect:=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a81997=
6787/ncsg/" rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"color:rgb(59,115,175);text-decoration=
:underline" target=3D"_blank">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/nc=
sg/</a></span></div>
</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">Other Time Zones: <a href=3D"http://=
www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membership+Po=
licy+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2" target=3D"_blank">http://www=
.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DNCSG+Open+Membership+Polic=
y+Meeting&iso=3D20131029T16&ah=3D2</a></span></div>
<div><br></div><div><b><u>DRAFT DISCUSSION AGENDA</u></b></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><div><b>I. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Update from IGF 2013 Discussions</b></div><=
div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 See: <a href=3D"http://www.intgovforum.org/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><b>II. =C2=A0 31 Oct. GNSO Meeting Preparations</b></di=
v><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 See:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://community.icann.or=
g/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+October+2013" target=3D"_blank">htt=
ps://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+31+October+2013=
</a></div>
<div>=C2=A0A. =C2=A0<i>All 6 NCSG GNSO Counselors Prepared to Participate o=
r Request Proxy?</i></div><div>=C2=A0B. =C2=A0Motions for a Vote on Thursda=
y</div><div>=C2=A0C. =C2=A0Discussion Items</div><div><br></div><div><b>III=
. =C2=A0 Update on ICANN Working Groups / Task Forces</b></div>
<div>=C2=A0A. =C2=A0WHOIS Working Groups</div><div>=C2=A0B. =C2=A0Accountab=
ility and Transparency Review Team</div><div>=C2=A0C. =C2=A0Special Privile=
ges for RedCross, Olympic Cmte, InterGov Orgs Working Group</div><div><br><=
/div><div><b>IV. =C2=A0Open Comment Periods (as if it mattered)</b></div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0See: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.icann.org/en/news=
/public-comment" target=3D"_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comm=
ent</a></div><div><br></div><div><b>V. =C2=A0 Planning for ICANN #48 in Bue=
nos Aires</b></div><div>
<b>=C2=A0 =C2=A0</b>NCSG Mtgs Plan: =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://docs.google.co=
m/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&us=
p=3Dsharing" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
=3D0AmHFgvYjF_e4dHN4SURHZUZSSUswQ3BJXzl4ZWUzNXc&usp=3Dsharing</a></div>
<div><b>=C2=A0 =C2=A0</b>ICANN Mtgs Plan: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://buenosair=
es48.icann.org/en/" target=3D"_blank">http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/</a=
></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>VI. =C2=A0AOB</b></div></div></div></b=
lockquote></div><br>
</div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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>http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
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Subject: Transcript & MP3 recording NCSG call 29th October 2013
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:50:20 -0700
Reply-To: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: MP3 recording & chat transcript GNSO Council 31 October 2013
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: Glen de Saint G=E9ry <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [liaison6c] MP3 recording & chat transcript GNSO Council 31 =
October 2013
> Date: October 31, 2013 8:25:05 AM PDT
> To: liaison6c <[log in to unmask]>
>=20
> =20
> [To: liaison6c[at]gnso.icann.org; council[at]gnso.icann.org]
> =20
> Please find the MP3 recording of the GNSO Council teleconference held =
on Thursday, 31 October 2013 at:
> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3
> =20
> as well as the Adobe chat transcript at :
> =
http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-31oct13-en.pdf
> =20
> all on page
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct
> =20
> Thank you.
> Happy listening and reading!
> =20
> Glen de Saint G=E9ry
> GNSO Secretariat
> [log in to unmask]
> http://gnso.icann.org
> =20
> =20
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after-white-space; "><div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
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margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Glen de Saint G=E9ry =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br></span></div><div=
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</b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;"><b>[liaison6c] MP3 recording & chat transcript =
GNSO Council 31 October 2013</b><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;">October 31, 2013 8:25:05 AM PDT<br></span></div><div =
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margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
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style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">liaison6c <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><=
br></span></div><br><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
lang=3D"FR" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">[To: liaison6c[at]gnso.icann.org; =
council[at]gnso.icann.org]<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Please find the MP3 recording of the =
GNSO Council teleconference held on Thursday, 31 October 2013 =
at:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3</s=
pan></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">as well as the Adobe chat =
transcript at :<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-31oct13-=
en.pdf" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-3=
1oct13-en.pdf</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">all on =
page<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct</a><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: =
0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Happy listening and =
reading!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
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G=E9ry<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
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Secretariat<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:01:22 +0100
Reply-To: Rudi Vansnick <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Rudi Vansnick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MP3 recording & chat transcript GNSO Council 31 October 2013
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Thanks Robin for the link. It is clear the Draft Charter Translation and =
Transliteration of Contact data has been deferred. I received theemail =
relaunching the draft team to look into the charter and adapt the text =
if such is agreed upon by the draft team.
Kind regards,
Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
[log in to unmask]
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org
Op 31-okt.-2013, om 16:50 heeft Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> het =
volgende geschreven:
> Begin forwarded message:
>=20
>> From: Glen de Saint G=E9ry <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: [liaison6c] MP3 recording & chat transcript GNSO Council 31 =
October 2013
>> Date: October 31, 2013 8:25:05 AM PDT
>> To: liaison6c <[log in to unmask]>
>>=20
>> =20
>> [To: liaison6c[at]gnso.icann.org; council[at]gnso.icann.org]
>> =20
>> Please find the MP3 recording of the GNSO Council teleconference held =
on Thursday, 31 October 2013 at:
>> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3
>> =20
>> as well as the Adobe chat transcript at :
>> =
http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-31oct13-en.pdf
>> =20
>> all on page
>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct
>> =20
>> Thank you.
>> Happy listening and reading!
>> =20
>> Glen de Saint G=E9ry
>> GNSO Secretariat
>> [log in to unmask]
>> http://gnso.icann.org
>> =20
>> =20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks =
Robin for the link. It is clear the Draft Charter Translation and =
Transliteration of Contact data has been deferred. I received theemail =
relaunching the draft team to look into the charter and adapt the text =
if such is agreed upon by the draft team.<div><br></div><div>Kind =
regards,</div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
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style=3D"font-size: 13px; ">Rudi Vansnick</span></div><div style=3D"color:=
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Euphemia UCAS'; font-style: normal; =
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"><span style=3D"font-size: 13px; ">NPOC chair Policy =
Committee</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
'Euphemia UCAS'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; =
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white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
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style=3D"font-size: 13px; ">NPOC treasurer</span></div><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Euphemia UCAS'; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-size: 13px; "><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></span></=
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</div>
<br><div><div>Op 31-okt.-2013, om 16:50 heeft Robin Gross <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> het =
volgende geschreven:</div><br =
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"><div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
inherit;"><b>From: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: inherit;">Glen de Saint G=E9ry <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br></span></div><div=
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
inherit;"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: inherit;"><b>[liaison6c] MP3 recording & chat transcript =
GNSO Council 31 October 2013</b><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: inherit;"><b>Date: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
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font-size: inherit;">liaison6c <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><=
br></span></div><br><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: =
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">[To: =
liaison6c[at]<a href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org">gnso.icann.org</a>; =
council[at]<a =
href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org">gnso.icann.org</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></div>=
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
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font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Please find the MP3 recording of the =
GNSO Council teleconference held on Thursday, 31 October 2013 =
at:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><a =
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style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3</s=
pan></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
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sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">as well as the Adobe chat =
transcript at :<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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en.pdf" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-3=
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sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
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style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct</a><o:p></o:p></s=
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style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
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margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:11:48 +0000
Reply-To: Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Maria Farrell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MP3 recording & chat transcript GNSO Council 31 October 2013
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Hi Rudi,
Yes, Jonathan withdrew his motion and asked the registrars to crack on and
actually engage with the DT as there also had been no discussion on the
gnso council list in the meantime. I raised the point you made on the NCSG
call that there'd been no outreach to the DT either during the previous
month's deferral.
Cheers, Maria
On 31 October 2013 18:01, Rudi Vansnick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks Robin for the link. It is clear the Draft Charter Translation and
> Transliteration of Contact data has been deferred. I received theemail
> relaunching the draft team to look into the charter and adapt the text if
> such is agreed upon by the draft team.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> [log in to unmask]
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
>
> Op 31-okt.-2013, om 16:50 heeft Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Glen de Saint G=E9ry <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject: **[liaison6c] MP3 recording & chat transcript GNSO Council 31
> October 2013*
> *Date: *October 31, 2013 8:25:05 AM PDT
> *To: *liaison6c <lia[log in to unmask]>
>
> ** **
> [To: liaison6c[at]gnso.icann.org; council[at]gnso.icann.org]****
>
> Please find the MP3 recording of the GNSO Council teleconference held on
> Thursday, 31 October 2013 at:****
> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3****
>
> as well as the Adobe chat transcript at :****
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-31oct13-en.pdf*=
*
> **
>
> all on page****
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct****
>
> Thank you.****
> Happy listening and reading!****
>
> Glen de Saint G=E9ry****
> GNSO Secretariat****
> [log in to unmask]****
> http://gnso.icann.org****
>
> ** **
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi Rudi,<br><br></div>Yes, Jonathan withdrew his=
motion and asked the registrars to crack on and actually engage with the D=
T as there also had been no discussion on the gnso council list in the mean=
time. I raised the point you made on the NCSG call that there'd been no=
outreach to the DT either during the previous month's deferral. <br>
<br></div>Cheers, Maria<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 October 2013 18:01, Rudi Vansnick <span dir=3D"lt=
r"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">rudi.vans=
[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Thanks R=
obin for the link. It is clear the Draft Charter Translation and Transliter=
ation of Contact data has been deferred. I received theemail relaunching th=
e draft team to look into the charter and adapt the text if such is agreed =
upon by the draft team.<div>
<br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div><div>
<span style=3D"border-spacing:0px;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;border=
-collapse:separate;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-varia=
nt:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div style=3D"line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text=
-align:-webkit-auto;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;font-style:norm=
al;white-space:normal;font-family:'Euphemia UCAS';font-weight:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:13px">Rudi Vansnick</span></div><div style=3D"line=
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o;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;font-style:normal;white-space:nor=
mal;font-family:'Euphemia UCAS';font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px=
">
<span style=3D"font-size:13px">NPOC chair Policy Committee</span></div><div=
style=3D"line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-ali=
gn:-webkit-auto;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;font-style:normal;w=
hite-space:normal;font-family:'Euphemia UCAS';font-weight:normal;wo=
rd-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:13px">NPOC treasurer</span></div><div style=3D"lin=
e-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:-webkit-au=
to;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;font-style:normal;white-space:no=
rmal;font-family:'Euphemia UCAS';font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0p=
x">
<span style=3D"font-size:13px"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a></span></div><div style=3D"line-h=
eight:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;=
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l;font-family:'Euphemia UCAS';font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:13px">Tel : <a href=3D"tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%=
2039%2016" value=3D"+3293293916" target=3D"_blank">+32 (0)9 329 39 16</a></=
span></div><div style=3D"line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:=
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eight:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:13px">Mobile : <a href=3D"tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2=
028%2016%2032" value=3D"+32475281632" target=3D"_blank">+32 (0)475 28 16 32=
</a></span></div><div style=3D"line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-sp=
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font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<a href=3D"http://www.npoc.org" target=3D"_blank">www.npoc.org</a></div></d=
iv></span>
</div>
<br><div><div>Op 31-okt.-2013, om 16:50 heeft Robin Gross <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>> het=
volgende geschreven:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word=
-wrap:break-word">
<div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"=
><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit"><b>From: </b></spa=
n><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit">Glen de Saint G=
=E9ry <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]
g</a>><br>
</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0p=
x;margin-left:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit">=
<b>Subject: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inher=
it"><b>[liaison6c] MP3 recording & chat transcript GNSO Council 31 Octo=
ber 2013</b><br>
</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0p=
x;margin-left:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit">=
<b>Date: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit"=
>October 31, 2013 8:25:05 AM PDT<br>
</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0p=
x;margin-left:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit">=
<b>To: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit">l=
iaison6c <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">=
[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
</span></div><br><span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing=
:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px;font-siz=
e:inherit"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"FR">
<div><div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-b=
ottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u>=
</u></div><div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;mar=
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<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
[To: liaison6c[at]<a href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org" target=3D"_blank">gnso.=
icann.org</a>; council[at]<a href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">gnso.icann.org</a>]<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=A0</span></div><d=
iv style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0=
.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
Please find the MP3 recording of the GNSO Council teleconference held on Th=
ursday, 31 October 2013 at:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin-=
top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:1=
1pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http=
://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3" style=3D"color:blue;t=
ext-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">http://aud=
io.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20131031-en.mp3</span></a></span><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=A0</span></div><d=
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.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
as well as the Adobe chat transcript=A0 at=A0:<u></u><u></u></span></div><d=
iv style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0=
.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http=
://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-31oct13-en.pdf" style=
=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-chat-council-31oct13-en.=
pdf</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=A0</span></div><d=
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.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
all on page<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-r=
ight:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:=
Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
<a href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct" style=3D=
"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">http://gnso.icann.=
org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=A0</span></div><d=
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.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
Thank you.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-ri=
ght:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:C=
alibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
Happy listening and reading!<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin=
-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=
=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0=
cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Glen de Saint G=
=E9ry<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">GNSO Secretariat<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:=
[log in to unmask]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underl=
ine" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"FR">[log in to unmask]</s=
pan></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=
<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://gnso.icann.org/=
" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">http://g=
nso.icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom=
:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=A0</span></div><div style=3D"mar=
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<u></u>=A0<u></u></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></bl=
ockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:56:53 -0700
Reply-To: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]>
From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Internet Governance Webinar Conversation Opportunity With ICANN
Senior Executives - 8 NOVEMBER 2013
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: David Olive <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [Soac-infoalert] COMMUNITY INVITE TO POST-BALI INTERNET =
GOVERNANCE WEBINARS - 8 NOVEMBER 2013
> Date: October 30, 2013 4:03:38 AM PDT
> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc: Fadi Chehade <[log in to unmask]>, Sally Costerton =
<[log in to unmask]>, Theresa Swinehart =
<[log in to unmask]>, Duncan Burns <[log in to unmask]>, =
Tarek Kamel <[log in to unmask]>
>=20
> Internet Governance Webinar Conversation Opportunity With ICANN Senior =
Executives
>=20
> Dear SOAC Leaders;
> =20
> Based on recent discussions within the broader community and your =
feedback over the past couple of weeks regarding the Montevideo =
statement, we think it would be most useful to have a community call =
before everyone departed for the ICANN Public Meeting in Buenos Aires to =
discuss recent Internet governance developments =96 specifically the =
Montevideo statement - and plans for a broader Internet stakeholder =
meeting in Brazil next year.
> =20
> Fadi has had or is planning a few individual conversations with =
community groups, but we thought some broader community engagement =
opportunities with ICANN senior executives would also be helpful so that =
Fadi, Tarek and Theresa could:
> =20
> =A7 Provide background and context of the recent I-Star discussions =
leading to the Montevideo statement;
> =A7 Explain the Board/Staff partnership in this effort;
> =A7 Explain what has been done to date and share perceptions of the =
recent IGF-Bali meeting; and
> =A7 Highlight next steps/prep plans for Brazil next April.
> =20
> As a result, we have arranged for two community webinars scheduled for =
next Friday, 8 November at 1200 UTC and 1900 UTC so that the team can =
share its thoughts and field community questions and comments. We are =
scheduling two separate sessions to cover the global geographic spread =
of the community and hope that you will be able to share information =
about the opportunity with your communities.=20
> =20
> Each session will be an hour long and any questions or comments that =
the team can=92t get to on the calls will be saved for further =
discussion in Buenos Aires.
> =20
> The call details are as follows: Adigo Conference Bridge No. =
Conference ID: 45151321; Adobe Connect: =
https://icann.adobeconnect.com/icann-soac
> =20
> To help the team prepare for the sessions, please feel free to share =
any pre-session questions that you have with me. I will pass them on to =
the ICANN Strategy Team in preparation for the sessions.
> =20
> Best regards,
> =20
> David
> --
> David A. Olive
> Vice President, Policy Development Support
> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters =96Istanbul
>=20
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:5
> 34349 Fulya, Besiktas, Istanbul, Turkey=20
>=20
> Tel: +90.212.381.8727 - Fax: +90.212.381.8731 - Mobile: +1. =
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margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">David Olive <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br></s=
pan></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;"><b>[Soac-infoalert] COMMUNITY INVITE TO POST-BALI =
INTERNET GOVERNANCE WEBINARS - 8 NOVEMBER 2013</b><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">October 30, 2013 =
4:03:38 AM PDT<br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;">"<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>" =
<<a =
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Sally Costerton <<a =
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pan></div><br><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
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12pt; font-family: Cambria; "><font face=3D"Calibri">Internet Governance =
Webinar Conversation Opportunity With ICANN Senior =
Executives<o:p></o:p></font></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; "><font =
face=3D"Calibri"><br></font></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Cambria; "><font face=3D"Calibri">Dear SOAC =
Leaders;<o:p></o:p></font></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
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"><o:p><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></o:p></div><div =
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margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Cambria; "><font face=3D"Calibri">Based on recent discussions within the =
broader community and your feedback over the past couple of weeks =
regarding the Montevideo statement, we think it would be most =
useful to have a community call before everyone departed for the ICANN =
Public Meeting in Buenos Aires to discuss recent Internet governance =
developments =96 specifically the Montevideo statement - and plans for a =
broader Internet stakeholder meeting in Brazil next =
year.<o:p></o:p></font></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:=
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; "><o:p><font =
face=3D"Calibri"> </font></o:p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; "><font =
face=3D"Calibri">Fadi has had or is planning a few individual =
conversations with community groups, but we thought some broader =
community engagement opportunities with ICANN senior executives would =
also be helpful so that Fadi, Tarek and Theresa =
could:<o:p></o:p></font></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
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"><o:p><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; =
text-indent: -0.25in; "><font face=3D"Calibri">=A7 <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Provide background and =
context of the recent I-Star discussions leading to the Montevideo =
statement;<o:p></o:p></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; text-indent: -0.25in; "><font =
face=3D"Calibri">=A7 <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Explain the Board/Staff =
partnership in this effort;<o:p></o:p></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; =
text-indent: -0.25in; "><font face=3D"Calibri">=A7 <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Explain what has been done =
to date and share perceptions of the recent IGF-Bali meeting; =
and<o:p></o:p></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Cambria; text-indent: -0.25in; "><font =
face=3D"Calibri">=A7 <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Highlight next steps/prep =
plans for Brazil next April.<o:p></o:p></font></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Cambria; "><o:p><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Cambria; "><font face=3D"Calibri"><b>As a result, we have arranged for =
two community webinars scheduled for next Friday, 8 November at 1200 UTC =
and 1900 UTC so that the team can share its thoughts and field community =
questions and comments</b>. We are scheduling two separate =
sessions to cover the global geographic spread of the community and hope =
that you will be able to share information about the opportunity with =
your communities. <o:p></o:p></font></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; =
"><o:p><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Cambria; "><font face=3D"Calibri">Each session will be an hour long and =
any questions or comments that the team can=92t get to on the calls will =
be saved for further discussion in Buenos =
Aires.<o:p></o:p></font></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; =
"><o:p><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></o:p></div><div =
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margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Cambria; "><font face=3D"Calibri">The call details are as follows: =
Adigo Conference Bridge No. Conference ID: 45151321; Adobe =
Connect: <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"https://icann.adobeconnect.com/icann-soac" style=3D"font-family: =
'Times New Roman'; color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/icann-soac</a><o:p></o:p></font></div><di=
v class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Cambria; "><o:p><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></o:p></div><div =
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margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Cambria; "><font face=3D"Calibri">To help the team prepare for the =
sessions, please feel free to share any pre-session questions that you =
have with me. I will pass them on to the ICANN Strategy Team in =
preparation for the sessions.<o:p></o:p></font></div><div =
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