If we had an international forum where IG can be addressed and we can 
create a declaration of human rights for the Internet we could address 
the issues in China. This is starting with the NSA abuses but is not 
limited to them. We need to fix the problems in all countries so that 
everyone is on the same page.

On 10/28/2013 4:12 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
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> Then why your Church didn't see the "Reality" when China started 
> filtering packets, censuring content, persecuting bloggers ?
>
> -J
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Marc Perkel 
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>     I think surveillance is a starting point. I agree that the
>     discussion should be widened. So - let's participate and widen it
>     to include universal rights.
>
>
>     On 10/27/2013 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
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>>     NO. If the primary focus is surveillance, now if they are willing
>>     to widen the discussion to universal rights and other issues
>>     associated with IG, and governments obsession to gain control,
>>     and call for generating an open agenda we are talking about
>>     something totally different,
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Jorge
>>
>>
>>     On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:22 AM, avri <[log in to unmask]
>>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>         http://igcaucus.org/sign-on.html
>>
>>         Do we want to endorse as ncsg?
>>
>>         avri
>>
>>         Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>
>>
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