I agree with you Rafik, harmony among ambitious “leaders” does not mean that we have solved the problem of how to make Internet governance responsive to Internet users. It is easy for ICANN’s CEO, who would like more autonomy from the USG, to cozy up to Brazil’s President, and in some ways it is a good initiative, especially following the Uruguay declaration, which indicates that the world’s multistakeholder organizations agree with the longstanding position of the Internet Governance Project that the privileged US position over the DNS root should be ended. But that is just one small step, and we have to avoid letting the media attention focus exclusively on “leaders” as if the controlled the internet. From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rafik Dammak Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:34 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014 Hello, maybe I will looks quite cautious against the enthusiasm and excitement emerging here, but listening to Fadi short message, I am wondering about the meaning of openness since he is talking about "leaders" of governments, civil society etc (I think that is alarm bell for those familiar to his speeches). it may look like the WEF of IG more than IGF alike. while we are still having heated discussion about the "inflation" of conference and venues like Cyber Conf in seoul , how can we welcome such summit? Best, Rafik 2013/10/10 Joana Varon <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Very interesting and very crazy (in a good way, I guess). On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Lee W McKnight <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Waiting for any UN process is not the way things like this happen. Brazil + ICANN = critical mass for a next phase process. Agenda-setting moment was President Rousseff at UNGA, for a new game which will reference those already played but need not be limited to process, schedule, or terms of prior phases. UN orgs will of course be invited and can participate, and the President will work around existing UN schedules to extent feasible, but boxing the new thing into the old schedule is probably not what was just agreed. My 2 cents of veteran but perhaps off-base global policy process assessment. Lee ________________________________ From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of Joana Varon [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:59 PM To: Carlos A. Afonso Cc: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> < [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; NCSG List Subject: Re: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014 I was a bit puzzled in terms of UN processes. Could it be the red interrogation mark on our visualization map? http://bestbits.net/wp-uploads/diagram.html I mean, does she has to wait for Sharm el Sheik meeting on the WSIS+10 process? Or we can have a summit completely independent? During MPP phase 2 meeting this week it was evident that Brazil wanted a high level event after sharm el sheik, but I didnt envision a Summit coming and I wonder if both processes will be connected. On Oct 9, 2013 6:46 PM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: [sorry for possible duplicate posts] Dear people Here is the Google Translate English version (I did some editing) of the official report on the meeting between President Rousseff and ICANN's President and CEO Fadi Chehadé, which just happened. The original version in Brazilian Portuguese is at the end. fraternal regards --c.a. http://convergenciadigital.uol.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=35107&sid=4&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#.UlXEbbOm1q8 Brazil will host world event on Internet governance From the editor :: Convergência Digital :: 09/10/2013 Brazil will host the meeting in 2014 to discuss the necessary changes to Internet governance. After meeting with the president of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann, its acronym in English), Fadi Chehadé, President Dilma Rousseff agreed to meet global leaders from different sectors interested in the topic. According to Chehadé, the world counts on Brazil's leadership on this issue, after President Dilma Rousseff spoke at the opening of the 68th UN General Assembly, held in September in the United States. "The world heard the Brazilian president, who spoke with deep conviction, with great courage, and expressed the frustration that many people around the world feel about the fact that the trust relationship we have with the Internet had been broken,"said, revealing that the speech by Dilma was the motivation of his proposal for their meeting. Chehadé cited allegations of espionage involving the communication of Brazilian authorities and citizens, among them the very president, Petrobras and the Ministry of Mines and Energy. "I came to ask the president to elevate her leadership to a new level, to ensure that we can all get together around a new model of governance in which all are equal," he said. The president of Icann said that future decisions on how leaders can manage the internet should be based on the principles of the Civil Rights Framework for the Internet in Brazil which is going through the National Congress. Fadi Chehadé was yesterday (Oct.7th) with Communications Minister Paulo Bernardo, to ask for help from Brazil to start discussions about changes in the governance of the Internet, and said that the arrangements should begin this year. According to him, the need for a new governing body of the Internet requires the involvement of multiple actors, not just the government. "I understand that the internet has a new feature that requires active participation by governments, their respective agencies within the United Nations, but also in the context of users, civil society, the technicians, who after all make the Internet work," Chehadé defended. For the president of the corporation, academics and industrialists need to participate in the debate, as they reflect on rights and carry out the management of the Internet infrastructure. The president of Icann said telecommunications companies must also attend the conference."They are integral part of the family with which we must work," he said. According to Paulo Bernardo, President Dilma agreed that changes in network governance must occur multilaterally and with the participation of all actors who engage the internet, and said that "we must not allow economic, political and religious interests to interfere in the free circulation of ideas." The minister said that the suggestion of the president is that the event be held in April 2014 in Rio de Janeiro. Source : Agência Brazil -------- original in pt-br ------------- O Brasil vai sediar em 2014 o encontro para discutir as mudanças necessárias para a governança da internet. Após se encontrar com o presidente da Corporação da Internet para Atribuição de Nomes e Números (Icann, na sigla em inglês), Fadi Chehadé, a presidenta Dilma Rousseff concordou em reunir líderes globais de diferentes setores interessados no tema. De acordo com Chehadé, o mundo conta com a liderança brasileira nesta questão, depois que a Presidenta Dilma Rousseff discursou na abertura da 68ª Assembleia Geral da ONU, ocorrida em setembro nos Estados Unidos. “O mundo ouviu a Presidenta brasileira, que falou com profunda convicção, com muita coragem, e externou a frustração que muitas pessoas, em todo mundo, sentiam com o fato de que a confiança havia sido quebrada que temos com relação à internet”, disse, revelando que o discurso de Dilma foi a motivação da sua proposta para o encontro. Chehadé citou as denúncias de espionagem envolvendo a comunicação de autoridades e cidadãos brasileiros, dentre eles a própria presidenta, a Petrobras e o Ministério de Minas e Energia. “Vim solicitar à presidenta que elevasse sua liderança a um novo nível, de modo a assegurar que todos possamos nos reunir em torno de um novo modelo de governança, em que todos sejamos iguais”, afirmou. O presidente da Icann disse que as futuras decisões sobre como os líderes poderão gerir a internet devem ter como base os princípios do marco civil brasileiro, que tramita no Congresso Nacional. Fadi Chehadé esteve anteontem (7) com o ministro das Comunicações, Paulo Bernardo, a fim de pedir ajuda do Brasil para iniciar os debates sobre mudanças na governança da internet, e disse que as articulações devem começar este ano. Segundo ele, a necessidade de um novo órgão gestor da internet passa pela participação de múltiplos atores, não só do governo. “Entendo que a internet tem um novo recurso, que exige participação ativa por parte dos governos, dos seus respectivos órgãos no âmbito das Nações Unidas, mas também no âmbito dos usuários, da sociedade civil, dos técnicos, que afinal de contas fazem a internet funcionar”, defendeu Chehadé. Para o presidente da corporação, os acadêmicos e industriais precisam participar do debate, pois refletem sobre o direito e fazem a gestão da infraestrutura da internet. O presidente da Icann disse que as empresas de telecomunicações devem também participar da conferência. “Elas são parte integrante da família com a qual precisamos trabalhar”, afirmou. Segundo Paulo Bernardo, a presidenta Dilma concordou que as mudanças na governança da rede devem ocorrer de forma multilateral e com a participação de todos os atores que se envolvem a internet, e disse que não se pode “permitir que interesses econômicos, políticos e religiosos interfiram na livre circulação das ideias”. O ministro informou que a sugestão da presidenta é que o evento ocorra em abril de 2014 no Rio de Janeiro. fonte: Agência Brasil -- -- Joana Varon Ferraz @joana_varon PGP 0x016B8E73