Hi Carlos, I understand your excitement and pride as Brazilian but as Tunisian I am more cautious with what my gov can claim :) (I would instead wait till marco civil to be voted to celebrate for example but yes I am not familiar with Brazilian internal politics) not sure what is your take regarding IGF, ywa you are talking about interesting process , but we dont have such process now and it looks more as an interpretation and wish than something concrete. are you looking to replace IGF by a summit yet to be defined? Best, Rafik 2013/10/10 Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> > I personally do hope it will *not* look like *nor* do like the IGF. We > need a pluriparticipative decision-making process on international IG, > and maybe this is the way to start it. Instead of just becoming > suspicious, let us work proactively together to make sure we have strong > representation in this process. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 10/09/2013 10:33 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote: > > Hello, > > > > maybe I will looks quite cautious against the enthusiasm and excitement > > emerging here, but listening to Fadi short message, I am wondering about > > the meaning of openness since he is talking about "leaders" of > > governments, civil society etc (I think that is alarm bell for those > > familiar to his speeches). it may look like the WEF of IG more than IGF > > alike. > > while we are still having heated discussion about the "inflation" of > > conference and venues like Cyber Conf in seoul , how can we welcome such > > summit? > > > > Best, > > > > Rafik > > > > > > 2013/10/10 Joana Varon <[log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > > > > Very interesting and very crazy (in a good way, I guess). > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Lee W McKnight <[log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > > > Waiting for any UN process is not the way things like this > happen. > > > > Brazil + ICANN = critical mass for a next phase process. > > Agenda-setting moment was President Rousseff at UNGA, for a new > > game which will reference those already played but need not be > > limited to process, schedule, or terms of prior phases. > > > > UN orgs will of course be invited and can participate, and the > > President will work around existing UN schedules to extent > > feasible, but boxing the new thing into the old schedule is > > probably not what was just agreed. > > > > My 2 cents of veteran but perhaps off-base global policy process > > assessment. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* [log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > [[log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of Joana > > Varon [[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:59 PM > > *To:* Carlos A. Afonso > > *Cc:* [log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> < > > [log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>; NCSG List > > *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host > > world event on Internet governance in 2014 > > > > I was a bit puzzled in terms of UN processes. Could it be the > > red interrogation mark on our visualization map? > > > > http://bestbits.net/wp-uploads/diagram.html > > > > I mean, does she has to wait for Sharm el Sheik meeting on the > > WSIS+10 process? Or we can have a summit completely independent? > > During MPP phase 2 meeting this week it was evident that Brazil > > wanted a high level event after sharm el sheik, but I didnt > > envision a Summit coming and I wonder if both processes will be > > connected. > > > > On Oct 9, 2013 6:46 PM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <[log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > > > [sorry for possible duplicate posts] > > > > Dear people > > > > Here is the Google Translate English version (I did some > > editing) of the > > official report on the meeting between President Rousseff > > and ICANN's > > President and CEO Fadi Chehadé, which just happened. > > > > The original version in Brazilian Portuguese is at the end. > > > > fraternal regards > > > > --c.a. > > > > > http://convergenciadigital.uol.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=35107&sid=4&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#.UlXEbbOm1q8 > > > > Brazil will host world event on Internet governance > > > > >From the editor :: Convergência Digital :: 09/10/2013 > > > > Brazil will host the meeting in 2014 to discuss the > > necessary changes to > > Internet governance. After meeting with the president of the > > Internet > > Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann, its > > acronym in > > English), Fadi Chehadé, President Dilma Rousseff agreed to > > meet global > > leaders from different sectors interested in the topic. > > > > According to Chehadé, the world counts on Brazil's > > leadership on this > > issue, after President Dilma Rousseff spoke at the opening > > of the 68th > > UN General Assembly, held in September in the United States. > > "The world > > heard the Brazilian president, who spoke with deep > > conviction, with > > great courage, and expressed the frustration that many > > people around the > > world feel about the fact that the trust relationship we > > have with the > > Internet had been broken,"said, revealing that the speech by > > Dilma was > > the motivation of his proposal for their meeting. > > > > Chehadé cited allegations of espionage involving the > > communication of > > Brazilian authorities and citizens, among them the very > > president, > > Petrobras and the Ministry of Mines and Energy. "I came to > > ask the > > president to elevate her leadership to a new level, to > > ensure that we > > can all get together around a new model of governance in > > which all are > > equal," he said. The president of Icann said that future > > decisions on > > how leaders can manage the internet should be based on the > > principles of > > the Civil Rights Framework for the Internet in Brazil which > > is going > > through the National Congress. > > > > Fadi Chehadé was yesterday (Oct.7th) with Communications > > Minister Paulo > > Bernardo, to ask for help from Brazil to start discussions > > about changes > > in the governance of the Internet, and said that the > > arrangements should > > begin this year. According to him, the need for a new > > governing body of > > the Internet requires the involvement of multiple actors, > > not just the > > government. > > > > "I understand that the internet has a new feature that > > requires active > > participation by governments, their respective agencies > > within the > > United Nations, but also in the context of users, civil > > society, the > > technicians, who after all make the Internet work," Chehadé > > defended. > > For the president of the corporation, academics and > > industrialists need > > to participate in the debate, as they reflect on rights and > > carry out > > the management of the Internet infrastructure. > > > > The president of Icann said telecommunications companies > > must also > > attend the conference."They are integral part of the family > > with which > > we must work," he said. According to Paulo Bernardo, > > President Dilma > > agreed that changes in network governance must occur > > multilaterally and > > with the participation of all actors who engage the > > internet, and said > > that "we must not allow economic, political and religious > > interests to > > interfere in the free circulation of ideas." The minister > > said that the > > suggestion of the president is that the event be held in > > April 2014 in > > Rio de Janeiro. > > > > Source : Agência Brazil > > > > -------- original in pt-br ------------- > > > > O Brasil vai sediar em 2014 o encontro para discutir as > mudanças > > necessárias para a governança da internet. Após se encontrar > > com o > > presidente da Corporação da Internet para Atribuição de > > Nomes e Números > > (Icann, na sigla em inglês), Fadi Chehadé, a presidenta > > Dilma Rousseff > > concordou em reunir líderes globais de diferentes setores > > interessados > > no tema. > > > > De acordo com Chehadé, o mundo conta com a liderança > > brasileira nesta > > questão, depois que a Presidenta Dilma Rousseff discursou na > > abertura da > > 68ª Assembleia Geral da ONU, ocorrida em setembro nos > > Estados Unidos. “O > > mundo ouviu a Presidenta brasileira, que falou com profunda > > convicção, > > com muita coragem, e externou a frustração que muitas > > pessoas, em todo > > mundo, sentiam com o fato de que a confiança havia sido > > quebrada que > > temos com relação à internet”, disse, revelando que o > > discurso de Dilma > > foi a motivação da sua proposta para o encontro. > > > > Chehadé citou as denúncias de espionagem envolvendo a > > comunicação de > > autoridades e cidadãos brasileiros, dentre eles a própria > > presidenta, a > > Petrobras e o Ministério de Minas e Energia. “Vim solicitar > > à presidenta > > que elevasse sua liderança a um novo nível, de modo a > > assegurar que > > todos possamos nos reunir em torno de um novo modelo de > > governança, em > > que todos sejamos iguais”, afirmou. O presidente da Icann > > disse que as > > futuras decisões sobre como os líderes poderão gerir a > > internet devem > > ter como base os princípios do marco civil brasileiro, que > > tramita no > > Congresso Nacional. > > > > Fadi Chehadé esteve anteontem (7) com o ministro das > > Comunicações, Paulo > > Bernardo, a fim de pedir ajuda do Brasil para iniciar os > > debates sobre > > mudanças na governança da internet, e disse que as > > articulações devem > > começar este ano. Segundo ele, a necessidade de um novo > > órgão gestor da > > internet passa pela participação de múltiplos atores, não só > > do governo. > > > > “Entendo que a internet tem um novo recurso, que exige > > participação > > ativa por parte dos governos, dos seus respectivos órgãos no > > âmbito das > > Nações Unidas, mas também no âmbito dos usuários, da > > sociedade civil, > > dos técnicos, que afinal de contas fazem a internet > > funcionar”, defendeu > > Chehadé. Para o presidente da corporação, os acadêmicos e > > industriais > > precisam participar do debate, pois refletem sobre o direito > > e fazem a > > gestão da infraestrutura da internet. > > > > O presidente da Icann disse que as empresas de > > telecomunicações devem > > também participar da conferência. “Elas são parte integrante > > da família > > com a qual precisamos trabalhar”, afirmou. Segundo Paulo > > Bernardo, a > > presidenta Dilma concordou que as mudanças na governança da > > rede devem > > ocorrer de forma multilateral e com a participação de todos > > os atores > > que se envolvem a internet, e disse que não se pode > > “permitir que > > interesses econômicos, políticos e religiosos interfiram na > > livre > > circulação das ideias”. O ministro informou que a sugestão > > da presidenta > > é que o evento ocorra em abril de 2014 no Rio de Janeiro. > > > > fonte: Agência Brasil > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Joana Varon Ferraz > > @joana_varon > > PGP 0x016B8E73 > > > > > > >