Hi! This is really not new, I think. I recall talking to ICANN people about setting up the new South America in São Paulo instead of Buenos Aires; to me, that made a whole more lot of sense. But I'm sure there are other arguments to this decision that I'm not aware of. Brasil is the most important player in South America, top 5 world wide. The talks with "Presidente != Presidenta" Dilma are spot on, not only because of what they mean regarding Brasil's recent attitude towards NSA surveillance, but also because these mean a special recognition of Brasil's importance. The call for increased participation of companies and governments on the multi-Stakeholder Model (MSM) is not new. But, despite of the underline Fadi made about the importance of users, civil society and technicians, we (the users/civil society) will have a diluted voice in this MSM if all stays the same. And it seems that, from our side, all is the same, which is something that should concern us, maybe just a little bit. Now everyone is saying, "but we are doing a lot already". Right, yes we are. We are doing a lot, but its more of the same... I have no solution and no roadmap. I have some ideas. I have recently found that, at NCUC, there are no roadmaps strong enough to stand for a couple of months. And maybe that's the way its supposed to be. I have said this before, and I know that many of us here don't agree with me: I trust Fadi's vision for ICANN. The little I know of him and my experience of the world, allow me to give him at least the benefit of the doubt. Best, Nuno On 10 October 2013 04:57, Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > +1 Rafik. > > One of the things that struck me about Fadi's comments at the intersession > meeting in Los Angeles this past January was his enthusiasm for having > just met with fellow "leaders" in Davos. He seems to like being included in > such a group. As the home not only of civil society but of individual users > within ICANN I'd be interested in learning where the individual user is > going to be represented in the new scheme. > > > > On Thursday, October 10, 2013, Rafik Dammak wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> maybe I will looks quite cautious against the enthusiasm and excitement >> emerging here, but listening to Fadi short message, I am wondering about >> the meaning of openness since he is talking about "leaders" of >> governments, civil society etc (I think that is alarm bell for those >> familiar to his speeches). it may look like the WEF of IG more than IGF >> alike. >> while we are still having heated discussion about the "inflation" of >> conference and venues like Cyber Conf in seoul , how can we welcome such >> summit? >> >> Best, >> >> Rafik >> >> >> 2013/10/10 Joana Varon <[log in to unmask]> >> >>> Very interesting and very crazy (in a good way, I guess). >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Lee W McKnight <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Waiting for any UN process is not the way things like this happen. >>>> >>>> Brazil + ICANN = critical mass for a next phase process. >>>> Agenda-setting moment was President Rousseff at UNGA, for a new game which >>>> will reference those already played but need not be limited to process, >>>> schedule, or terms of prior phases. >>>> >>>> UN orgs will of course be invited and can participate, and the >>>> President will work around existing UN schedules to extent feasible, but >>>> boxing the new thing into the old schedule is probably not what was just >>>> agreed. >>>> >>>> My 2 cents of veteran but perhaps off-base global policy process >>>> assessment. >>>> >>>> Lee >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* [log in to unmask] [ >>>> [log in to unmask]] on behalf of Joana Varon [ >>>> [log in to unmask]] >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:59 PM >>>> *To:* Carlos A. Afonso >>>> *Cc:* [log in to unmask]> < [log in to unmask]; >>>> NCSG List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world >>>> event on Internet governance in 2014 >>>> >>>> I was a bit puzzled in terms of UN processes. Could it be the red >>>> interrogation mark on our visualization map? >>>> >>>> http://bestbits.net/wp-uploads/diagram.html >>>> >>>> I mean, does she has to wait for Sharm el Sheik meeting on the WSIS+10 >>>> process? Or we can have a summit completely independent? During MPP phase 2 >>>> meeting this week it was evident that Brazil wanted a high level event >>>> after sharm el sheik, but I didnt envision a Summit coming and I wonder if >>>> both processes will be connected. >>>> On Oct 9, 2013 6:46 PM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> [sorry for possible duplicate posts] >>>> >>>> Dear people >>>> >>>> Here is the Google Translate English version (I did some editing) of the >>>> official report on the meeting between President Rousseff and ICANN's >>>> President and CEO Fadi Chehadé, which just happened. >>>> >>>> The original version in Brazilian Portuguese is at the end. >>>> >>>> fraternal regards >>>> >>>> --c.a. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://convergenciadigital.uol.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=35107&sid=4&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#.UlXEbbOm1q8 >>>> >>>> Brazil will host world event on Internet governance >>>> >>>> >From the editor :: Convergência Digital :: 09/10/2013 >>>> >>>> Brazil will host the meeting in 2014 to discuss the necessary changes to >>>> Internet governance. After meeting with the president of the Internet >>>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann, its acronym in >>>> English), Fadi Chehadé, President Dilma Rousseff agreed to meet global >>>> leaders from different sectors interested in the topic. >>>> >>>> According to Chehadé, the world counts on Brazil's leadership on this >>>> issue, after President Dilma Rousseff spoke at the opening of the 68th >>>> UN General Assembly, held in September in the United States. "The world >>>> heard the Brazilian president, who spoke with deep conviction, with >>>> great courage, and expressed the frustration that many people around the >>>> world feel about the fact that the trust relationship we have with the >>>> Internet had been broken,"said, revealing that the speech by Dilma was >>>> the motivation of his proposal for their meeting. >>>> >>>> Chehadé cited allegations of espionage involving the communication of >>>> Brazilian authorities and citizens, among them the very president, >>>> Petrobras and the Ministry of Mines and Energy. "I came to ask the >>>> president to elevate her leadership to a new level, to ensure that we >>>> can all get together around a new model of governance in which all are >>>> equal," he said. The president of Icann said that future decisions on >>>> how leaders can manage the internet should be based on the principles of >>>> the Civil Rights Framework for the Internet in Brazil which is going >>>> through the National Congress. >>>> >>>> Fadi Chehadé was yesterday (Oct.7th) with Communications Minister Paulo >>>> Bernardo, to ask for help from Brazil to start discussions about changes >>>> in the governance of the Internet, and said that the arrangements should >>>> begin this year. According to him, the need for a new governing body of >>>> the Internet requires the involvement of multiple actors, not just the >>>> government. >>>> >>>> "I understand that the internet has a new feature that requires active >>>> participation by governments, their respective agencies within the >>>> United Nations, but also in the context of users, civil society, the >>>> technicians, who after all make the Internet work," Chehadé defended. >>>> For the president of the corporation, academics and industrialists need >>>> to participate in the debate, as they reflect on rights and carry out >>>> the management of the Internet infrastructure. >>>> >>>> The president of Icann said telecommunications companies must also >>>> attend the conference."They are integral part of the family with which >>>> we must work," he said. According to Paulo Bernardo, President Dilma >>>> agreed that changes in network governance must occur multilaterally and >>>> with the participation of all actors who engage the internet, and said >>>> that "we must not allow economic, political and religious interests to >>>> interfere in the free circulation of ideas." The minister said that the >>>> suggestion of the president is that the event be held in April 2014 in >>>> Rio de Janeiro. >>>> >>>> Source : Agência Brazil >>>> >>>> -------- original in pt-br ------------- >>>> >>>> O Brasil vai sediar em 2014 o encontro para discutir as mudanças >>>> necessárias para a governança da internet. Após se encontrar com o >>>> presidente da Corporação da Internet para Atribuição de Nomes e Números >>>> (Icann, na sigla em inglês), Fadi Chehadé, a presidenta Dilma Rousseff >>>> concordou em reunir líderes globais de diferentes setores interessados >>>> no tema. >>>> >>>> De acordo com Chehadé, o mundo conta com a liderança brasileira nesta >>>> questão, depois que a Presidenta Dilma Rousseff discursou na abertura da >>>> 68ª Assembleia Geral da ONU, ocorrida em setembro nos Estados Unidos. “O >>>> mundo ouviu a Presidenta brasileira, que falou com profunda con >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Joana Varon Ferraz >>> @joana_varon >>> PGP 0x016B8E73 >>> >>> >>> >>