Hi!

This is really not new, I think.

I recall talking to ICANN people about setting up the new South America in São Paulo instead of Buenos Aires; to me, that made a whole more lot of sense. But I'm sure there are other arguments to this decision that I'm not aware of. Brasil is the most important player in South America, top 5 world wide. The talks with "Presidente != Presidenta" Dilma are spot on, not only because of what they mean regarding Brasil's recent attitude towards NSA surveillance, but also because these mean a special recognition of Brasil's importance.

The call for increased participation of companies and governments on the multi-Stakeholder Model (MSM) is not new. But, despite of the underline Fadi made about the importance of users, civil society and technicians, we (the users/civil society) will have a diluted voice in this MSM if all stays the same. 

And it seems that, from our side, all is the same, which is something that should concern us, maybe just a little bit. Now everyone is saying, "but we are doing a lot already". Right, yes we are. We are doing a lot, but its more of the same...

I have no solution and no roadmap. I have some ideas. I have recently found that, at NCUC, there are no roadmaps strong enough to stand for a couple of months. And maybe that's the way its supposed to be.

I have said this before, and I know that many of us here don't agree with me: I trust Fadi's vision for ICANN. The little I know of him and my experience of the world, allow me to give him at least the benefit of the doubt.

Best,

Nuno



On 10 October 2013 04:57, Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
+1 Rafik.

One of the things that struck me about Fadi's comments at the intersession meeting in Los Angeles this past January was his enthusiasm for having just met with fellow "leaders" in Davos. He seems to like being included in such a group. As the home not only of civil society but of individual users within ICANN I'd be interested in learning where the individual user is going to be represented in the new scheme.



On Thursday, October 10, 2013, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hello,

maybe I will looks quite cautious against the enthusiasm and excitement emerging here, but listening to Fadi short message, I am wondering about the meaning of openness  since he is talking about "leaders" of governments, civil society etc (I think that is alarm bell for those familiar to his speeches). it may look like the WEF of IG more than IGF alike.
while we are still having heated discussion about the "inflation" of conference and venues like Cyber Conf in seoul , how can we welcome such summit?
 
Best,

Rafik 


2013/10/10 Joana Varon <[log in to unmask]>
Very interesting and very crazy (in a good way, I guess).



On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Lee W McKnight <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Waiting for any UN process is not the way things like this happen.

Brazil + ICANN = critical mass for a next phase process.  Agenda-setting moment was President Rousseff at UNGA, for a new game which will reference those already played but need not be limited to process, schedule, or terms of prior phases.

UN orgs will of course be invited and can participate, and the President will work around existing UN schedules to extent feasible, but boxing the new thing into the old schedule is probably not what was just agreed.

My 2 cents of veteran but perhaps off-base global policy process assessment.

Lee



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Subject: Re: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014

I was a bit puzzled in terms of UN processes. Could it be the red interrogation mark on our visualization map?

http://bestbits.net/wp-uploads/diagram.html

I mean, does she has to wait for Sharm el Sheik meeting on the WSIS+10 process? Or we can have a summit completely independent? During MPP phase 2 meeting this week it was evident that Brazil wanted a high level event after sharm el sheik, but I didnt envision a Summit coming and I wonder if both processes will be connected.

On Oct 9, 2013 6:46 PM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
[sorry for possible duplicate posts]

Dear people

Here is the Google Translate English version (I did some editing) of the
official report on the meeting between President Rousseff and ICANN's
President and CEO Fadi Chehadé, which just happened.

The original version in Brazilian Portuguese is at the end.

fraternal regards

--c.a.

http://convergenciadigital.uol.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=35107&sid=4&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#.UlXEbbOm1q8

Brazil will host world event on Internet governance

>From the editor :: Convergência Digital :: 09/10/2013

Brazil will host the meeting in 2014 to discuss the necessary changes to
Internet governance. After meeting with the president of the Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann, its acronym in
English), Fadi Chehadé, President Dilma Rousseff agreed to meet global
leaders from different sectors interested in the topic.

According to Chehadé, the world counts on Brazil's leadership on this
issue, after President Dilma Rousseff spoke at the opening of the 68th
UN General Assembly, held in September in the United States. "The world
heard the Brazilian president, who spoke with deep conviction, with
great courage, and expressed the frustration that many people around the
world feel about the fact that the trust relationship we have with the
Internet had been broken,"said, revealing that the speech by Dilma was
the motivation of his proposal for their meeting.

Chehadé cited allegations of espionage involving the communication of
Brazilian authorities and citizens, among them the very president,
Petrobras and the Ministry of Mines and Energy. "I came to ask the
president to elevate her leadership to a new level, to ensure that we
can all get together around a new model of governance in which all are
equal," he said. The president of Icann said that future decisions on
how leaders can manage the internet should be based on the principles of
the Civil Rights Framework for the Internet in Brazil which is going
through the National Congress.

Fadi Chehadé was yesterday (Oct.7th) with Communications Minister Paulo
Bernardo, to ask for help from Brazil to start discussions about changes
in the governance of the Internet, and said that the arrangements should
begin this year. According to him, the need for a new governing body of
the Internet requires the involvement of multiple actors, not just the
government.

"I understand that the internet has a new feature that requires active
participation by governments, their respective agencies within the
United Nations, but also in the context of users, civil society, the
technicians, who after all make the Internet work," Chehadé defended.
For the president of the corporation, academics and industrialists need
to participate in the debate, as they reflect on rights and carry out
the management of the Internet infrastructure.

The president of Icann said telecommunications companies must also
attend the conference."They are integral part of the family with which
we must work," he said. According to Paulo Bernardo, President Dilma
agreed that changes in network governance must occur multilaterally and
with the participation of all actors who engage the internet, and said
that "we must not allow economic, political and religious interests to
interfere in the free circulation of ideas." The minister said that the
suggestion of the president is that the event be held in April 2014 in
Rio de Janeiro.

Source : Agência Brazil

-------- original in pt-br -------------

O Brasil vai sediar em 2014 o encontro para discutir as mudanças
necessárias para a governança da internet. Após se encontrar com o
presidente da Corporação da Internet para Atribuição de Nomes e Números
(Icann, na sigla em inglês), Fadi Chehadé, a presidenta Dilma Rousseff
concordou em reunir líderes globais de diferentes setores interessados
no tema.

De acordo com Chehadé, o mundo conta com a liderança brasileira nesta
questão, depois que a Presidenta Dilma Rousseff discursou na abertura da
68ª Assembleia Geral da ONU, ocorrida em setembro nos Estados Unidos. “O
mundo ouviu a Presidenta brasileira, que falou com profunda con



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