Avri, so did (or it seems to have done) the ARIN fellow. This was signed as a statement of the "leaders" of whatever, so it saves them in a certain way from having their ears pulled when they return to their home bases, so to speak. --c.a. On 10/10/2013 03:21 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Since this note is in the ICANN context, > > One glaring problem with the proposal is that he did not consult ICANN before deciding ICANN was going to do this. Is this the result of a bottom-up process in ICANN? Did the Board get a vote on the initiative? > > Now this may be one of those cases were a lot of people are willing to give him a pass because they agree with this decision, but it is becoming a very bad habit of his. > > I might note that some in the IETF are having the same issue with the Chair of the IAB having signed the Montevideo statement apparently without consulting the IAB. > > avri > > On 10 Oct 2013, at 13:11, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> Dear compa McT, >> >> You being a rigorous techie, maybe you will not change your logical >> view... :) And I understand there is a lot of people in all sectors who >> feel disturbed by the emerging presence of Brazil and its concrete >> proposals to finally move on. >> >> At the very beginning Fadi describes the motivation -- Rousseff's >> statement at the UN, her clear adherence to the basic principles most of >> civil society defends (which she has repeated several times in her radio >> program and her twitter @dilmabr), and her proposal to build a planetary >> framework of rights. This did not come out of the blue, from a meeting >> of IP addressers in a wonderful city called Montevideo. Do you think >> Fadi just dropped by the presidential door in Brasilia, knocked and >> entered to sell that proposal? :) >> >> Anyway, it is relevant to understand that this is not a proposal for yet >> another Icann meeting, or a reedition of the UN chatting space called >> IGF, as both Dilma and Fadi made it very clear. It is a major >> achievement that that motivation brought Icann to colead this effort >> jointly with BR. >> >> All the more so because, as you know, there are strong sectors within >> the government who would love to bring the root-zone to the purview of >> the ITU, who hate Icann, who do not like the pluriparticipative model of >> governance we defend, and who are basically associated with the >> transnational telecom oligopoly which controls the main networks in BR. >> Dilma is courageously up against a huge wall here, to defend those >> principles, and receiving Fadi and emerging from the meeting with thar >> proposal was a major political milestone for her in those internal >> disputes as well. >> >> [] fraterno >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 10/10/2013 10:14 AM, McTim wrote: >>> At 55 seconds in, Fadi says: >>> "Her Excellency President Rousseff has accepted our invitation that we >>> hold next year a Global Summit" >>> >>> Seem fairly clear to me. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> McT, maybe you should watch the video a few times more... :) >>>> >>>> --c.a. >>>> >>>> On 10/10/2013 09:57 AM, McTim wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM, michael gurstein <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> Why so pessimistic and cynical everyone.. I may be wrong but this isn't just >>>>>> about ICANN, although hats off to Fadi for getting this going and putting >>>>>> that into play… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not pessimistic or cynical. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But I would be extremely surprised if the Pres. of Brazil is going to invite >>>>>> the world to Rio in April next year to discuss names and numbers. Rather my >>>>>> reading is that she is by-passing the quite evident log-jam at the ITU, the >>>>>> frivolities of the IGF, the now discredited "Internet Freedom" crusade and >>>>>> the status quo which it was intended to cast into concrete errr… (non) rules >>>>>> and regs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It appears to me, after watching the video again several times that it >>>>> is ICANN (and I assume the rest of the Montevideoans) that are >>>>> spearheading this. In other words the idea of the Summit comes from >>>>> the T&A folks, not Brasilia. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >