more specifically 'survey on ethical implications of emerging technologies' http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=24229&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html(and subsequent publications) regards, On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Andrei, > > You rightly inject ethics into this conversation. > > What fascinates is ICANN institutional data collection through WHOIS (and > perhaps similarly collection of trademark data) are argued as 'technically' > necessary for the security and stability of the DNS - yet massive personal > data collections should be left out of discussions. > > Previous work on ethics and or legal issues on the internet has been > undertaken by UNESCO under Information Ethics re: > http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/intergovernmental-programmes/information-for-all-programme-ifap/priorities/information-ethics/ > > regards, > > Alex > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Andrei Barburas <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> With all due respect, we can talk about this topic for days and we will >> not come up with a logical answer; neither in NSA's defense nor against NSA. >> >> I am not surprised and I will never be surprised by the fact that >> governments spy both on their people and other countries as well. What >> surprises me is that it managed to leak. There will always be a "gutsy" >> person that will come out and make statements or confirm statements that we >> already knew. >> >> None of you can tell me that they are surprised and/or outraged by the >> fact that governments spy on their own people. That's what SECRET services >> do; that's why they were founded and that's their mission. Governments will >> never have full disclosure of their intelligence activities and/or any >> other activity that citizen John Doe wants to know about. It's like asking >> from the government to disclose all the names of the undercover agents in >> the world, just because that's what a transparent government does. >> >> While indeed, there are or should be some sort of limits, not necessarily >> legal, but ethical, we all know that that does NOT really happen. If >> ambassadors have immunity, you are telling me that of one the biggest >> security agencies in the world is not immune to those things? >> >> Please bare in mind that I am not attacking or defending NSA's activities >> and certainly do not want to offend any of you. This is just the opinion of >> a fellow citizen of the world that knows that if necessary, the government >> of his country will "spy" on his activities if necessary (if it's not >> happening already, based on the amount of times I already mentioned "NSA"). >> >> Have an excellent day ahead! >> >> >> >> *Andrei Barburas* >> >> CRSO/IO >> >> >> >> International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD) >> >> P.O. Box 11586, 2502 AN The Hague, The Netherlands >> >> NPOC, ICANN member >> >> >> M: +31 62 928 2879 >> >> T: +31 70 311 7311 | F: +31 70 311 7322 >> Website: iicd.org <http://www.iicd.org/> | Check out our Annual Report >> for 2012; We reached one million beneficiaries in Health.. Imagine that!<http://annualreport.iicd.org> >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the >> addressee or addressees only. The unauthorized disclosure, use, >> dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not >> permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender >> and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity >> cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment >> before printing this email. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, I did not start this thread... Quitting. >>> >>> --c.a. >>> >>> >>> On 11/07/2013 03:29 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I've read the book that is a recollection of stuff from that website. >>>> >>>> Glad I've got the kindle version and didn't waste a tree on it reading >>>> about "assassination from the sky" >>>> >>>> On a similar subject you can read >>>> http://www.amazon.com/Wired-War-Robotics-Revolution-Conflict-ebookwhich >>>> still is a little bit sensationalist but became a NYT best seller. >>>> >>>> BTW, I don't understand what point are you trying to make and IMHO >>>> totally out of context from ICANN and NCUC ... >>>> >>>> -J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Here is some non-fiction which is far from the movies: >>>> >>>> http://www.tomdispatch.com/__books/175550/ >>>> >>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/books/175550/> >>>> >>>> --c.a. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/07/2013 11:37 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Imagination can't be driven by those individuals, they are just >>>> disclosing leaked and/or stole information, and science fiction >>>> is only >>>> for the movies. >>>> >>>> -J >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Rudi Rusdiah < >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Cant imagine how powerful is Big Brother and Big Data if >>>> there is no >>>> Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, WikiLeaks... >>>> >>>> next... sending the clown... eh the drone :-) >>>> >>>> i think Orwell was right :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >