I don't mind having a dialog and exchange of opinions and I never take it personal or get offended or intend to be offensive.

But I agree with you, we can keep talking ad nauseam about this and we will still be far from achieve anything actionable.

There are some interesting discussions and ideas at IETF to make Internet more "secure," more "private," but I continue to think that the issue of the NSA surveillance is out of the scope and role of ICANN and NCSG/NCUC as a constituency of ICANN and just an issue being used and abused to score political points, and gain popularity.

We still have to work as individuals and as an organization to ensure that we recover the notion of trust and make sure that the oversight mechanisms work as expected.

My .02

-J