On 8 Nov 2013, at 5:18 pm, Andrei Barburas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
None of you can tell me that they are surprised and/or outraged by the fact that governments spy on their own people. That's what SECRET services do; that's why they were founded and that's their mission.

Scale matters. There is a very big difference between spying on some people, and spying on all of them. While I believe in privacy, I accept that governments will, on occasion, present what seems, at least from the govt point of view, a compelling reason to invade that privacy - which is a roundabout way of saying that I can live with warrants, and authorised covert surveillance of certain targets. 
I find the argument that 'we all knew governments spied, so the Snowden revelations don't matter' bemusing. It seems to me to be similar to saying 'we know criminal gangs exist, so we shouldn't be surprised to find them running the state, without interference from police or government'. Scale and pervasiveness matter. 
And the scale changes the problem we need to solve in the Internet governance world. If some people are surveilled, it would be enough to have provided the tools for them to counter-surveillance. If virtually everyone is surveilled illegally all the time, then we need to ensure that counter-surveillance is provided to everyone, all the time. 
It is certainly true that this may not obviously be an issue of prime concern to ICANN (and thus by extension, NCSG). But the threat of surveillance should be something we now consider as part of practically every technical decision we make. DNSSEC may prove to be an important trust anchor for cryptography, avoiding problems related to CAs. We need to ensure that many of our standard, routine, protocols have crypto baked in (now that we have seen that the surveillance state agencies will intercept both bulk data transfer (as often takes place between eg registries and escrow), and highly privileged information). There may not be a single huge issue that arises from the Snowden leaks - but it should change the way we think about illegal surveillance, and how it figures into our decision making throughout. 

Regards

David