Hi Maria - no, but great, and i'd be happy to helpf you on this. I think comments are due this Friday, Dec 13th. Shall we work offlist on some comments and then share? I suggested to Rafik to raise this idea at the ncsg policy call later today (which i can't make cos of the timezone). but very happy to help you with this Joy On 10/12/2013 9:19 a.m., Maria Farrell wrote: > Hi all, Did I say I was going to take the lead..? > > Maria > > > On 3 December 2013 08:07, William Drake <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Hi > > NCUC and I believe NPOC met with ATRT and we certainly provided > feedback, but no I don’t think anyone’s had the bandwidth to write > something up unfortunately. A couple people said they’d take a > lead, but… > > Bill > > > On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:44 PM, joy <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > wrote: > >> Hi - just following up to see if any comments were collated at >> ICANN 48 for input to the ATRT2 review at all? >> Cheers >> Joy >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: ATRT2 Review comments >> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:08:44 +1300 >> From: joy <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Organisation: APC >> To: [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >> >> >> Hi all - for context in relation to the email I just sent :) - I >> volunteered today to collate suggested points for our NCSG >> comment to this review. >> I simply gathered up the following from either list discussion, >> input from Robin offlist, a very helpful summary on the GNSO >> council list by Maria Farrel, and our original NCSG comments >> (which noted positive progress since ATRT1 and expressed concerns >> about threats to ICANN's multi-stakeholder (MSM), bottom-up, >> consensus-building model of community participation and >> decision-making (citing the GAC Beijing communique and the TM >> clearinghouse as examples) and recommending the review team focus >> on practical operation of the multi-stakeholder model). >> Apologies if I am repeating what you know, but as a reminder: >> Overall on the ATRT2 report: imho it really is quite an >> incredible document - massive (main report 78 pages, total 233 >> pages) and comprehensive (these two things do not always >> correlate!) I think it is clear that submissions were listened >> to and appear to have been well reflected (others may correct us >> on that). I shared Maria's excellent and rather sobering summary >> and highlights of conclusions rather than repeat it here. >> There are new recommendations related to ATRT 1 (such as >> developing metrics for transparency and accountability, rules on >> transparency for staff, Board, GAC and SO/AC, proposed >> protections for whistleblowers) and arising from ATRT2 (eg >> increasing equitable participation, GAC involvement in PDPs, >> quite lengthy consideration of time for and accesibility of PDPs >> and working groups and need for imporvements, and new >> recommendations on financial accountability and transparency esp >> critiquing this in light ICANN's status as a not for profit >> organisation). The section reviewing the WHOIS (72-73) and SSR >> (p74) are also interesting, critiquing the processes and >> implemention. >> >> Overall, suggestions for the comments on this report are: >> * welcoming the report and thanking the review team for its work >> * a recommendation to mandate the multi-stakeholder bottom-up process >> * a comment about IPC's closed membership list (and this being in >> contradiction to transparency and accountability principles of >> the MSM) >> * reference to the tm+50 process and related developments. >> >> Do folks feel able to make any general statements supporting (or >> not supporting) the recommendations? Any thing missing? >> >> Cheers >> >> Joy Liddicoat >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> >> > > ********************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, > ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org> > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > (w), [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> (h), > www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org> > *********************************************************** > >