Hi Joy, That'd be great, thanks. Here's what I drafted for the GNSO Council's response. It only covers PDP related stuff. cheers, m On 10 December 2013 02:44, joy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Maria - no, but great, and i'd be happy to helpf you on this. I think > comments are due this Friday, Dec 13th. Shall we work offlist on some > comments and then share? I suggested to Rafik to raise this idea at the > ncsg policy call later today (which i can't make cos of the timezone). > but very happy to help you with this > Joy > > On 10/12/2013 9:19 a.m., Maria Farrell wrote: > > Hi all, Did I say I was going to take the lead..? > > Maria > > > On 3 December 2013 08:07, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> NCUC and I believe NPOC met with ATRT and we certainly provided >> feedback, but no I don’t think anyone’s had the bandwidth to write >> something up unfortunately. A couple people said they’d take a lead, but… >> >> Bill >> >> >> On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:44 PM, joy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi - just following up to see if any comments were collated at ICANN 48 >> for input to the ATRT2 review at all? >> Cheers >> Joy >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ATRT2 Review comments Date: >> Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:08:44 +1300 From: joy <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: >> [log in to unmask] Organisation: APC To: [log in to unmask] >> >> Hi all - for context in relation to the email I just sent :) - I >> volunteered today to collate suggested points for our NCSG comment to this >> review. >> I simply gathered up the following from either list discussion, input >> from Robin offlist, a very helpful summary on the GNSO council list by >> Maria Farrel, and our original NCSG comments (which noted positive progress >> since ATRT1 and expressed concerns about threats to ICANN's multi-stakeholder >> (MSM), bottom-up, consensus-building model of community participation and >> decision-making (citing the GAC Beijing communique and the TM >> clearinghouse as examples) and recommending the review team focus on >> practical operation of the multi-stakeholder model). >> Apologies if I am repeating what you know, but as a reminder: >> Overall on the ATRT2 report: imho it really is quite an incredible >> document - massive (main report 78 pages, total 233 pages) and >> comprehensive (these two things do not always correlate!) I think it is >> clear that submissions were listened to and appear to have been well >> reflected (others may correct us on that). I shared Maria's excellent and >> rather sobering summary and highlights of conclusions rather than repeat it >> here. >> There are new recommendations related to ATRT 1 (such as developing >> metrics for transparency and accountability, rules on transparency for >> staff, Board, GAC and SO/AC, proposed protections for whistleblowers) and >> arising from ATRT2 (eg increasing equitable participation, GAC involvement >> in PDPs, quite lengthy consideration of time for and accesibility of PDPs >> and working groups and need for imporvements, and new recommendations on >> financial accountability and transparency esp critiquing this in light >> ICANN's status as a not for profit organisation). The section reviewing the >> WHOIS (72-73) and SSR (p74) are also interesting, critiquing the processes >> and implemention. >> >> Overall, suggestions for the comments on this report are: >> * welcoming the report and thanking the review team for its work >> * a recommendation to mandate the multi-stakeholder bottom-up process >> * a comment about IPC's closed membership list (and this being in >> contradiction to transparency and accountability principles of the MSM) >> * reference to the tm+50 process and related developments. >> >> Do folks feel able to make any general statements supporting (or not >> supporting) the recommendations? Any thing missing? >> >> Cheers >> >> Joy Liddicoat >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing [log in to unmask]://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> International Fellow & Lecturer >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >> University of Zurich, Switzerland >> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, >> ICANN, www.ncuc.org >> [log in to unmask] (w), [log in to unmask] (h), >> www.williamdrake.org >> *********************************************************** >> >> > >