thanks Maria - i have started a very rudimentary draft here:
http://piratepad.net/RNpRST03bS
it's open for inputs and comments
joy

On 10/12/2013 9:53 p.m., Maria Farrell wrote:
> Hi Joy,
>
> That'd be great, thanks.
>
> Here's what I drafted for the GNSO Council's response. It only covers
> PDP related stuff.
>
> cheers, m
>
>
> On 10 December 2013 02:44, joy <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Maria - no, but great, and i'd be happy to helpf you on this. I
>     think comments are due this Friday, Dec 13th. Shall we work
>     offlist on some comments and then share? I suggested to Rafik to
>     raise this idea at the ncsg policy call later today (which i can't
>     make cos of the timezone).
>     but very happy to help you with this
>     Joy
>
>     On 10/12/2013 9:19 a.m., Maria Farrell wrote:
>>     Hi all, Did I say I was going to take the lead..?
>>
>>     Maria
>>
>>
>>     On 3 December 2013 08:07, William Drake <[log in to unmask]
>>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi
>>
>>         NCUC and I believe NPOC met with ATRT and we certainly
>>         provided feedback, but no I don’t think anyone’s had the
>>         bandwidth to write something up unfortunately.  A couple
>>         people said they’d take a lead, but…
>>
>>         Bill
>>
>>
>>         On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:44 PM, joy <[log in to unmask]
>>         <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>>         Hi - just following up to see if any comments were collated
>>>         at ICANN 48 for input to the ATRT2 review at all?
>>>         Cheers
>>>         Joy
>>>
>>>
>>>         -------- Original Message --------
>>>         Subject: 	ATRT2 Review comments
>>>         Date: 	Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:08:44 +1300
>>>         From: 	joy <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>         Reply-To: 	[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>         Organisation: 	APC
>>>         To: 	[log in to unmask]
>>>         <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Hi all - for context in relation to the email I just sent :)
>>>         - I volunteered today to collate suggested points for our
>>>         NCSG comment to this review.
>>>         I simply gathered up the following from either list
>>>         discussion, input from Robin offlist, a very helpful summary
>>>         on the GNSO council list by Maria Farrel, and our original
>>>         NCSG comments (which noted positive progress since ATRT1 and
>>>         expressed concerns about threats to ICANN's
>>>         multi-stakeholder (MSM), bottom-up, consensus-building model
>>>         of community participation and decision-making (citing the
>>>         GAC Beijing communique and the TM clearinghouse as examples)
>>>         and recommending the review team focus on practical
>>>         operation of the multi-stakeholder model).
>>>         Apologies if I am repeating what you know, but as a reminder:
>>>         Overall on the ATRT2 report: imho it really is quite an
>>>         incredible document - massive (main report 78 pages, total
>>>         233 pages) and comprehensive (these two things do not always
>>>         correlate!)  I think it is clear that submissions were
>>>         listened to and appear to have been well reflected (others
>>>         may correct us on that). I shared Maria's excellent and
>>>         rather sobering summary and highlights of conclusions rather
>>>         than repeat it here.
>>>         There are new recommendations related to ATRT 1 (such as
>>>         developing metrics for transparency and accountability,
>>>         rules on transparency for staff, Board, GAC and SO/AC,
>>>         proposed protections for whistleblowers) and arising from
>>>         ATRT2 (eg increasing equitable participation, GAC
>>>         involvement in PDPs, quite lengthy consideration of time for
>>>         and accesibility of PDPs and working groups and need for
>>>         imporvements, and new recommendations on financial
>>>         accountability and transparency esp critiquing this in light
>>>         ICANN's status as a not for profit organisation). The
>>>         section reviewing the WHOIS (72-73) and SSR (p74) are also
>>>         interesting, critiquing the processes and implemention.
>>>
>>>         Overall, suggestions for the comments on this report are:
>>>         * welcoming the report and thanking the review team for its
>>>         work 
>>>         * a recommendation to mandate the multi-stakeholder
>>>         bottom-up process
>>>         * a comment about IPC's closed membership list (and this
>>>         being in contradiction to transparency and accountability
>>>         principles of the MSM)
>>>         * reference to the tm+50 process and related developments.
>>>
>>>         Do folks feel able to make any general statements supporting
>>>         (or not supporting) the recommendations? Any thing missing?
>>>
>>>         Cheers
>>>
>>>         Joy Liddicoat
>>>
>>>
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>>         International Fellow & Lecturer
>>           Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>           University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>         Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
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