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2014-05-01 15:09 GMT+00:00 DeeDee Halleck <[log in to unmask]>:

> I very much appreciated the ability to participate via remote in Net
> Mundial. Very well done, especially the convening and q and a from the
> group participants from around the world.  Quite amazing. Way beyond WSIS.
>
> In reviewing the meeting, the most astounding thing I heard, however, was
> the amount of money that ICANN has received recently from the expansion of
> GTLDs. Hundreds of millions. Did anyone address how this money is being
> spent/invested?
> Is Fadi's suggestion of a prize one way he thinks of dispensing tokens of
> this largesse?
> That's not exactly a bottom-up kind of use.
> Instead of prizes (and staff expansion) is any of that money going to be
> used to provide assistance for better geographic (and economic) diverse
> participation not just in ICANN meetings but in developing internet access
> and infrastructure in the 99% world?
>
> DeeDee
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 8:02 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Robin,
>> >
>> > thanks for your excellent analysis. I did follow the events only as a
>> remote participant (so I do not have all information) but agree with most
>> what you have said in the mail below. It is very helpful to see both the
>> strength of the "big picture" and the weaknesses in some details. I also
>> agree that the principle part is the big step forward. The roadmap part is
>> more "stumbling" forward.
>>
>> I understand the interest in the wordsmithing of nonbinding principles,
>> but it also would be useful to remember that there are some potentially
>> foundational bits in the roadmap, e.g. on national MS processes, IGF
>> strengthening, clearing house/observatory, jurisdiction, etc.   These sorts
>> of institutional issues did not receive much comment from civil society
>> participants, in contrast to the past decade in IGF and related
>> discussions, but some of them could well lead to actual activities.
>>
>> > But the whole process - compared with WSIS or WCIT - is encouraging
>> from a civil society´s perspective.
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> >
>> > wolfgang
>> >
>> > Here is what is my conclusion (as a renmote participant) from the
>> meeting. Unfortunately in German only.
>> >
>> http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/net-mundial-in-s-o-paulo-der-taegliche-kampf-um-die-freiheit-im-netz-12910313.html<
>> http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/net-mundial-in-s-o-paulo-der-taegliche-kampf-um-die-freiheit-im-netz-12910313.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > Von: [log in to unmask] im Auftrag von Robin Gross
>> > Gesendet: So 27.04.2014 03:44
>> > An: [log in to unmask]; Izumi AIZU
>> > Cc: Adam Peake; Stephanie Perrin; <[log in to unmask]> &lt;
>> NCSG List
>> > Betreff: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1
>> >
>> >
>> > A few thoughts on the outcome doc and Netmundial generally, after the
>> benefit of a plane ride to process the experience.  Overall, there are some
>> truly amazing principles supported in the Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder
>> Statement that we as civil society should proud of and especially our
>> representatives who got this achievement.
>> >
>> > The Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy,
>> equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralized, Internet
>> as global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported
>> in the final outcome document.  These are all truly amazing achievements
>> and an important pivot point in the evolution of the global governance
>> ecosystem.
>> >
>> > Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most
>> contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless
>> innovation, intermediary liability, net neutrality, and separation of
>> policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these issues were mentioned
>> in the governance document itself, is a significant advancement (except for
>> the ode to copyright).  So on some key substantive policy issues, the
>> document reflects a remarkable achievement, despite a few critical losses
>> where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the
>> last minute behind less transparent and less organized processes on the
>> specific wording.
>> >
>> > But the simple fact the govts and biz had to negotiate with civil
>> society over key language (and wait in line to speak) is another rather
>> remarkable step-forward.  There was more transparency over the drafting and
>> adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes
>> where we can't see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch.  We
>> now see the need for improved transparency in these key critical
>> decision-making moments in this going forward.  And the process frustrated
>> and impeded civil society, who tends not be in current decision-making
>> positions on these important process decisions.
>> >
>> > I don't want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the
>> really great parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a very
>> positive step forward in the evolution of the Internet governance and
>> Internet freedom.
>> >
>> > Yes, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and
>> key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep
>> pushing on that point too; this doc supports "equality", so we've got our
>> hook for that goal here too.
>> >
>> > On balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further
>> discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution.
>> >
>> > My 2 cents,
>> > Robin
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >       Thank you Stephanie and Adam for your clarifications.
>> >
>> >
>> >       I still have the "impression" that the last session was not quite
>> as open as it could be.
>> >
>> >       Firstly, there was not announcement, or explanation, as to how
>> the final document would be dealt by HLMC in advance, or even on the fly,
>> for those who were in the Main Room.
>> >
>> >       Yes, it would be much better to have live streaming and scribed
>> texts online for those who were not in the small drafting room.
>> >
>> >       I would say even in the small room, it was VERY difficult to
>> figure out what exactly they are discussing unless you have good hearing
>> ability and understanding of the English since they were not using the
>> microphone and sometimes audiences making some noise.
>> >       It was semi transparent in my view.
>> >
>> >       I do not mean for criticism, but for lessons going forward.
>> >
>> >       More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS prep meeting in Tokyo and we
>> insisted that Drafting session by governments plus civil society and
>> private sector be open to all who want to participate. It worked well. We
>> had big screen in front of all, and everyone could speak up once chair
>> allow, there were some distinction between the official member of the
>> drafting committee and others, but not much, In the end the result of this
>> informal drafting committee was sent to the government only negotiation,
>> which was open and transparent, but no-government stakeholders including
>> IGOs could have no say.
>> >       We asked government people to "honor" the works of this
>> multistakeholder draft document and in my view we got 85%, if not 90%.
>> (could not get good language for Human rights and Freedom of Expression).
>> >
>> >       Now, after more than 10 years, we have, as I wrote, better online
>> tool, much better working experience among CS members with other
>> stakeholders, better recognition on CS and MSH to advance our work.
>> >
>> >       As Jeanette and Ian point out, we could have done better if we
>> had better prepared and also better prepared on the fly.
>> >
>> >       But overall, I think civil society did a very good job, together
>> with Brazilian host, but also I like to mention the other stakeholders,
>> governments, business, tech and academic community also deserve the
>> recognition together,
>> >
>> >       As we were discussing during the dinner right after the closure,
>> we could and should understand some government folks who really had
>> constraints under their mandate, therefore had to put their reservations on
>> the record. And even so, I think their behaviors were not that disruptive,
>> at the last stage, to honor Brazilian host and also all of us engaged there.
>> >
>> >       izumi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       2014-04-27 2:30 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >
>> >
>> >               The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers.  But
>> it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the
>> drafting sessions so they could have been webcast.  Just that it wasn't
>> thought of at the time.
>> >
>> >               Adam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >               On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>> >
>> >               > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps
>> for good reason.  They also realize they made an error in the last minute
>> rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause.  Business is actually
>> arguing to put a better one for us back in.  Will let the list know if it
>> happens.
>> >               > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks
>> should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will
>> achieved by all the open drafting sessions....this is really an unusual way
>> to do business.  Rome wasn't built in a day...
>> >               > Stephanie Perrin
>> >               > Cheers stephanie
>> >               > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
>> aizu@anr..org> > wrote:
>> >               >
>> >               >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion
>> about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the
>> preceding process.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome
>> document open to observers?
>> >               >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach
>> me).
>> >               >>
>> >               >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the
>> future similar event, to use the
>> >               >> online tool, I mean online Notepad.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using
>> projectors to put the text on the screen,
>> >               >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad
>> (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft.
>> Everyone online can see the process of changing
>> >               >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the
>> changes.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or
>> those in different rooms of the same
>> >               >> venue while small number of drafting committee people
>> do the work, that make it transparent.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> Just a suggestion.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> izumi
>> >               >>
>> >               >>
>> >               >>
>> >               >>
>> >               >>
>> >               >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter <
>> [log in to unmask]>:
>> >               >> and I should have added - thanks too to the BestBits
>> people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that
>> we could not have worked together so well at the main event.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> From: Ian Peter
>> >               >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM
>> >               >> To: [log in to unmask] ;
>> [log in to unmask]
>> >               >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1
>> >               >>
>> >               >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into
>> travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this
>> conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked
>> incredibly well together - far more so than other constituencies. It was
>> great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There
>> was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers
>> on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the
>> group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject
>> etc. great team work.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> As regards the results - this was version 0.1 of this
>> very interesting - and i think promising - version of multistakeholder
>> consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a
>> few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or
>> two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has
>> some lessons for us, and is worth repeating.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> As regards the outputs - as the civil society
>> statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally
>> that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after
>> the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and
>> passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an
>> example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one
>> colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a
>> party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about
>> the detail of that.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> But for now - there was much good as well, and it was
>> fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our
>> Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a
>> fantastic job - ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked
>> long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I
>> will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job
>> extremely well done.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> Now to wind down after three days of intense
>> activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event.
>> >               >>
>> >               >> Ian Peter
>> >               >>
>> >
>> >               >>
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