Avri is correct, There is cross channel static at several levels here. Since the core issue here (stakeholder voice and stakeholder interests in the Internet ecosystem (not just ICANN's remit) ) I will write more later. Tied up in other business at the moment. To paraphrase the American humorist Mark Twain: "Misunderstood information can be around the world before accurate information has time to put its shoes on." Let's want for a bit,and clear the air. There is more than enough to do at all levels and more than one "deck where there is a call to deck hands". Let's get the shoes on first. Sam L. On 18/07/2014 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > It is possible i am misunderstanding, but i think the conversation is > cross channeled. > > In one case the argument seems to be about how hard it is to get the > NGOs who are all out consumed with their mission on a bare bones (time, > money) budget to do this too. > > In one case the argument seems to that we MUST get them involved because > it is instrumental for them to be involved. > > From my vantage point, I think both are true. Accommodating both > realities is tough work. > > avri > > BTW, my working definition of multistakeholderism (m17m) as a reference > to where i come from in these discussions: > > Multistakeholderism (m17m) > > The study and practice of forms of participatory democracy that > allow for all those who have a stake and who have the inclination, to > participate on equal footing in the deliberation of issues and the > recommendation of solutions. While final decisions and implementation > may be assigned to a single stakeholder group, these decision makers are > always accountable to all of the stakeholders for their decisions and > the implementations. > > Of course the devil is in the details and implementation is really hard.