Hello Milton, On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > .... I will note that the 5 designated by GAC are not the 5 eyes but > include Egypt and Iran. > Does this mean the names has already been served? > That may indeed provide some support for the outcome > depends on what outcome is referred to here; if its the final proposal, maybe. However the form of support is another thing entirely. > > > There are other reasons, however, not to accede to the GAC on this point. > Those reasons are: > > > > 1. It reinforces the GAC’s sense that governments are exceptional > and privileged stakeholders, which has bad long term consequences and may > affect the CG’s solution set > +1 it also creates the precedence that other stakeholder members could ask for more membership slots. Generally accepting GAC's request will also mean making the CG member formation that of Govt vs Others which is not the case; that group represent several stakeholder including the GAC as one of them. > 2. Efforts to give GAC what they want in the TLD policy process > has made things worse, not better > Well perhaps it should be recalled again that this is not an ICANN group and i don't think GAC's supposed "autonomy" should be applicable on this independent group. > 3. Making their representation on the committee region-based and > “representative” rather than primarily a liaison role could actually > encourage differences and fragmentation among the GAC > +1 an advice that needs to be re-echoed in the ears of GAC. They do not have a regional structure and an attempt to initiate that just for the purpose of this "read-only" CG may cause more damage within GAC itself if care is not taken. > 4. It seems to encourage a view of the coordination group (CG) as > a decisional body. (get used to this new acronym, CG) > Here comes the new acronym indeed (getting used it it :) ) +1 on the precedence which i have also alluded to earlier. > > > Perhaps that can provide the basis for further discussion. From what I’ve > seen so far, there is no basis for me to go into this meeting either > adamantly opposing or actively supporting additional seats for GAC. > There is a saying; a neutral power line makes no difference ;). So i suggest you observe discussion and determine a path. > If you want me to be less wishy-washy, try to move to a consensus. > > May be useful. All the best Sire! Regards > > > --MM > > > > > > *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of > *Adam Peake > *Sent:* Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:40 PM > > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [NCSG-Discuss] IANA transition coordination group: some > requests for feedback > > > > Five. > > > > Multistakeholder: five from 20 plus. Obvious, no? > > > > And if that doesn't make sense, then it's also politically expedient, two > not workable for govt. We want this process to work give them what they > ask. (Less than 20%, so really doesn't matter.) > > > > Adam > > > > > > On Sunday, July 13, 2014, Amr Elsadr <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Dan, Milton and all, > > On Jul 12, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Dan Krimm <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > If GAC is really trying to gain proportionally greater influence on the > CG, > > then I think that should be forcefully resisted. > > +1. > > > If GAC just wants to have accurate expression of its varied views (and > thinks that requires all > > "viewers" being explicitly present), then that should be extended equally > > to other SGs at the same time. All or nothing. > > As per my understanding, GAC communiques are drafted using consensus > amongst their members (in the absence of any formal objection). In the case > of an inability to reach the required level of decision-making, the GAC > Chair is required to convey the full range of views expressed by the > membership. It has always been their modus operandi to use this decision > making mechanism. I don’t understand why it is suddenly becoming an issue > with this coordination group, unless of course, it is an attempt to (as > Milton puts it) make the group into a voting body rather than a > representative one liaising with its own AC within the ICANN community. > This kind of representation doesn’t apply to a collective of the four SGs > within the GNSO, so I would (IMHO) avoid conflating the two issues. Four > (or more) representatives from the GNSO shouldn’t equate to more reps from > the GAC. > > One representative should be enough to liaise with the GAC. A second one > serves as backup, which may very well be needed. Five (one for each world > region) sounds a bit over-the-top to me. > > For more on GAC operating procedures in this context, please check > Principle 47 and the footnote at the bottom of the page found here: > https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Operating+Principles > > Thanks. > > Amr > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>* The key to understanding is humility - my view !