Hi, Let me get this straight: Our criteria, as non commercial users and registrants, for establishing appropriate proportionality should be based on money? I feel much more comfortable arguing for equal footing among stakeholders. avri Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask]> </div><div>Date:08/24/2014 6:08 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]>,[log in to unmask] </div><div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the 2015 NomCom </div><div> </div>I think Kathy makes an important point. ICANN's contracts are with registries and registrars, and more than 90% of its budget comes from them. This of course indirectly affects individual and organizational registrants such as the people we are supposed to represent. The idea that a board selected primarily by ccTLDs and RIRs would be deciding issues that are 90% domains doesn't make a lot of sense, either from an equity or an efficiency standpoint. --MM > -----Original Message----- > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:ncuc-discuss- > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:51 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the 2015 NomCom > > All, > My gut sense says that we should study this proposal closely. It gives an awful > lot of weight and votes to Supporting Organizations that do not, themselves, > allow ICANN a role in their governance (ASO, ccNSO), but would now be having > a much greater weight in appointing representatives to our governance (namely > the Board and its work with GNSO issues). The implications could be astounding. > > I recommend that we talk more. I would value the review and input of those > who served on the Nominating Committee, those who have a strong knowledge > of the other supporting organizations, and everyone. > > Like the proposal to change the GAC's power, this is one with great implications > for the GNSO. > Best, > Kathy > p.s. how does 5 GNSO representatives but only 3 votes mean? Can anyone > previously on the NomCom talk about some complexities that might add > (currently I think it is one rep, one vote). > > > Hi, > > > > Further, i neglected to say, i think they thought it through in > > admirable fashion and make sense. > > > > I see their solution as being fair. I suggest we do not oppose it, > > neither as a constituency nor as SG, but rather comment individually > > if we wish. > > > > avri > > > > On 22-Aug-14 16:52, avri doria wrote: > >> The only people losing votes are csg Why is that a problem for ncsg? > >> > >> Business is not our business. And as the lone civil society sg, we > >> should ally ourselves more with other non business. > >> > >> I do not see this as a bad thing. > >> > >> > >> avri > >> > >> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> From: Kathy Kleiman > >> Date:08/22/2014 4:21 PM (GMT-05:00) > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the 2015 NomCom > >> > >> Wow, if these rules are adopted, we (the GNSO) would be outvoted by > >> Supporting Organizations who do not allow ICANN to run their > >> businesses (ccNSO and ASO). This is a real problem. > >> Best, > >> Kathy > >> > >> : > >>> Carlos, > >>> > >>> While it may not go away soon, it may look substantially different > >>> in the future. The Board Working Group Report on Nominating > >>> Committee > >>> (BWG-NomCom) was just released for public comment. I'm still > >>> digesting what they've recommended, but they propose some substantial > changes: > >>> > >>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/bwg-nomcom-2014-08-21-en > >>> > >>> I encourage everyone to take a moment to read through this. > >>> > >>> -Brenden > >>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask] > >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Since this NomCom concoction will not go away any soon, I of course > >>> support Brenden. > >>> > >>> --c.a. > >>> > >>> On 08/22/2014 02:59 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > >>> > Yes, +1 to Brenden. > >>> > MarĂlia > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Robin Gross > >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > >>> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Brenden has my full support for 2nd term. NCUC is lucky > >>> that he is > >>> > willing to do it again. > >>> > > >>> > Thanks, > >>> > Robin > >>> > > >>> > On Aug 22, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Hi, > >>> >> > >>> >> I'm all for Brenden staying on for another term as NCUC's > >>> delegate > >>> >> to the NomCom. Glad he's willing. > >>> >> > >>> >> Thanks. > >>> >> > >>> >> Amr > >>> >> > >>> >> On Aug 22, 2014, at 9:31 AM, William Drake > >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > >>> >> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> Hi > >>> >>> > >>> >>> We need to appoint a NCUC delegate to the 2015 ICANN NomCom > in > >>> >>> the next week or so. It's unfortunate that NomCom's cycle > >>> >>> doesn't synch with our election cycle but c'est la vie. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> *What is the Nomcom?* > >>> >>> > >>> >>> ICANN's Nominating Committee (NomCom) is responsible for the > >>> >>> selection of eight ICANN Board Members and for other > >>> selections > >>> >>> as are set forth in the Bylaws. (See Bylaws Article VII, > >>> Section > >>> >>> 1 athttp://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#VII-1 > >>> <http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#VII-1>) > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The NomCom is also charged with appointing some members of > >>> the At > >>> >>> Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), the Country Code Names > >>> >>> Supporting Organization (ccNSO) Council and the Generic Names > >>> >>> Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council. The NomCom > complements > >>> >>> the other means for filling a portion of key ICANN leadership > >>> >>> positions achieved within the Supporting Organizations and > >>> >>> Advisory Committees. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Together, the NomCom and Supporting Organization/Advisory > >>> >>> Committee selection pathways ensure that ICANN benefits from > >>> >>> functional, cultural and geographic diversity in its policy > >>> >>> development and decision-making as the Internet evolves. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> *Who serves on Nomcom? * > >>> >>> > >>> >>> ICANN's SOs and ACs send appointees to serve up to two > >>> >>> consecutive one-year terms on the Nomcom. You can read > >>> more about > >>> >>> the structure here <http://nomcom.icann.org > >>> >>> <http://nomcom.icann.org/>>. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> *Who is NCUC's current appointee to Nomcom?* > >>> >>> > >>> >>> For 2014-2015, Brenden Kuerbis of the Internet Governance > >>> Project > >>> >>> served. He took over for Rafik Dammak, who was elected to > >>> NCSG Chair. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Brenden has expressed interest to the Exec Com in > >>> continuing as > >>> >>> NCUC's appointee. Despite joining midstream, he was able > >>> to make > >>> >>> a positive impact from recruiting applicants to selecting > >>> >>> individuals to positions. Selections were announced on the > >>> ICANN > >>> >>> website August 15 > >>> >>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-08-15-en>. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Next year is an important cycle for Nomcom. It includes > >>> >>> selections for 3 board seats and 2 NCAs to the GNSO, as > >>> well as > >>> >>> other positions. Brenden has asked the EC for names of > >>> people we > >>> >>> should approach about applying, as well as opportunities > >>> where we > >>> >>> might do general outreach. He is also happy to speak with us > >>> >>> about the process and how NCUC can best engage it. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Would anyone else be interested in being considered for this > >>> >>> position? If so we could have the contending applicants make > >>> >>> their cases here on the list and then the EC would decide > >>> taking > >>> >>> into account the views expressed, an assessment of the > >>> >>> applicants' qualifications, etc. If not, the EC can just go > >>> >>> ahead and vote on Brenden's renewal. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Let's please move on this in the next week, before the IGF. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Thanks, > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Bill > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> *********************************************** > >>> >>> William J. 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