According to my calculations, that would be 7 pm in Istanbul. Since there will be a crowd of us there, perhaps we could gather somewhere and skype in. I doubt there is much scheduled at 7pm that we could not steal an hour from?? On 14-08-28 12:40 AM, William Drake wrote: > During the IGF? Sorry, can’t make it. > > Bill > > On Aug 27, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Please book in your calendar for the *Tuesday 2nd September 2014 at >> 16:00 UTC *for the monthly NCSG conference call . >> Acknowledging that several members and councillors will be attending >> IGF in Istanbul, this call will focus mainly on GNSO council matters >> and will be shorter than usual. >> >> Everybody is encouraged to attend. We usually cover: >> - the GNSO council call agenda (planned for 4th September) and >> discussing its items . Councillors and NCSG members involved in >> related WG will give more insight about the motions >> - Updates about ongoing policies: updates from working groups, >> statements , open public comments and discussing how NCSG should act. >> - Any other relevant item e.g. NCSG election >> >> _Why it is important to join?_ >> _ >> _ >> it is good opportunity, happening monthly, to catch-up with the >> ongoing policies and finding opportunities to volunteer for some >> tasks. For newcomers to get snapshot of activities within NCSG , GNSO >> and ICANN, and also interacting with GNSO councillors . >> >> *We have this initial draft agenda below, please send me any other >> suggestion for item you would like to add:* >> >> *I. Roll-call * >> * >> * >> *II. 4th September GNSO Meeting Preparations* >> See below: >> A. GNSO councillors will attend the call and brief to the >> membership about the GNSO call agenda items. >> B. Discussion Items >> >> *III. Quick Update on ICANN policies* >> ** Working Groups / Panels/ Expert groups e.g. (non exhaustive >> list)* IANA transition Coordination Group, Proxyand Privacy >> accreditation, Expert Working Group, GNSO review working party etc >> ** Open Comment Periods * >> See: http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment >> >> *IV. AOB* >> A. Reminder about the election: vote starting in 1st September >> B. NCSG and members activities at IGF : NCSG workshop >> http://igf2014.sched.org/event/a187b6ef1a88c028f718559353a3758f#.U_30nIC1Zck >> looking forward to interact with our members next week. >> If you need dial-out or you don't find your country listed below, >> please send me email off-list >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Rafik >> >> *GNSO council Draft Agenda* >> >> This agenda was established according to the GNSO Council Operating >> Procedures approved 13 September 2012 for the GNSO Council and updated. >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/op-procedures-13jun13-en.pdf > >> For convenience: >> >> * An excerpt of the ICANN Bylaws defining the voting thresholds is >> provided in Appendix 1 at the end of this agenda. >> * An excerpt from the Council Operating Procedures defining the >> absentee voting procedures is provided in Appendix 2 at the end >> of this agenda. >> >> _Meeting Times 15:00 UTC_: >> *http://tinyurl.com/k5lubtm* >> >> Coordinated Universal Time 15:00 UTC >> 08:00 Los Angeles; 11:00 Washington; 16:00 London; 17:00 Brussels; >> 23:00 Perth >> >> Dial-in numbers will be sent individually to Council members. >> Councillors should notify the GNSO Secretariat in advance if a dial >> out call is needed. >> >> *GNSO Council meeting audiocast* >> http://stream.icann.org:8000/gnso.m3u >> >> *_Item 1: Administrative matters (5 mins)_* >> >> 1.1 Roll Call >> 1.2 Statement of interest updates >> 1.3 Review/amend agenda >> 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council meeting per >> the GNSO Operating Procedures: >> >> Minutes of the GNSO Council meeting 25 June 2014 >> <http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg16567.html>,and >> 24 July 2014 >> <http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg16568.html> will >> be posted as approved on 3 September 2014 >> >> *_Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (10 mins)_* >> >> Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes / topics >> >> Include review of Projects List >> <http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/projects-list.pdf> and Action List >> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Action+Items>. >> >> Comments or questions arising. >> >> *_ >> _* >> >> *_Item 3: Consent agenda (5 mins)_* >> >> 3.1 - Uniformity of Reporting and the ICANN Contractual Compliance >> three-year plan. >> >> A *MOTION >> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+04+September+2014>* to : >> >> 1.Thank ICANN Contractual Compliance for its presentation of their >> three-year plan and continued collaboration with the GNSO in future >> policy development efforts >> >> AND >> >> >> 2.Consider the issues identified in the Uniformity of Reporting Final >> Issue Report to have been addressed and to consider the issue closed. >> >> 3.2 - The Council confirms the Co-Chairs for the Working Group on >> Curative Rights Protections for IGO/INGOs (IGO-INGO-CRP), namely >> Philip Corwin and Petter Rindforth. >> >> *_Item 4: MOTION – A proposed modification of the GNSO's consensus >> recommendations relating to IGO acronyms and Red Cross identifiers >> (20 mins)_* >> >> On 10 November 2013 the PDP Working Group (IGO-INGO PDP WG) delivered >> itsFinal Report >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/igo-ingo-final-10nov13-en.pdf> to >> the GNSO Council that included twenty-five consensus recommendations >> of the WG. On 20 November 2013 the GNSO Council unanimously adopted >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/resolutions#20131120-2> all >> twenty-five consensus recommendations of the IGO-INGO PDP WG and >> forwarded them to the ICANN Board in January 2014 with a >> recommendation for their adoption. >> >> On 30 April 2014 the Board resolved >> <https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2014-04-30-en> to >> adopt those of the GNSO's recommendations that are not inconsistent >> with GAC advice, and to facilitate dialogue between the affected >> parties in order to reconcile the remaining differences, as further >> detailed in Annex A >> <https://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-annex-a-30apr14-en.pdf> and >> Annex B >> <https://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-annex-b-30apr14-en.pdf> of >> the Board's resolution. The GNSO's recommendations and GAC advice are >> largely consistent except in relation to the duration and mechanism >> of protection for IGO acronyms and the full names and acronyms of 189 >> Red Cross national societies and the international Red Cross and Red >> Crescent movement, for which the GNSO had recommended >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/resolutions#20131120-2>a 90-day >> period of protection by way of a claim notification service utilising >> the Trademark Clearinghouse (TMCH). >> >> On 16 June 2014 the NGPC sent >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/correspondence/chalaby-to-robinson-16jun14-en.pdf> a >> letter to the GNSO Council requesting that the GNSO consider >> modifying its recommendations relating to the duration and mechanism >> of protection for IGO acronyms and national society names of the Red >> Cross. This modification to be in accordance with and as envisaged by >> Section 16 of the GNSO's PDP Manual >> <http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-2-pdp-manual-13jun13-en.pdf>. >> >> On 24 July 2014, the Chair of the NGPC followed up with a note to the >> Chair of the GNSO Council and offered to provide a written or oral >> briefing to provide greater clarity on the GAC’s advice and >> expectations with respect to protections of IGO-INGO Identifiers. >> Such briefing will now be provided as part of this meeting. >> >> 4.1 – Receive the briefing (Chris Disspain) >> 4.2 – Present the motion >> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+04+September+2014> (Thomas >> Rickert / Mary Wong) >> 4.3 – Discussion >> 4.4 – Vote (Threshold: simple majority) >> >> *_Item 5: MOTION – To appoint a GNSO liaison to the GAC (10 mins)_* >> >> The call for applications >> <http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg16435.html> for >> the GNSO Liaison to GAC was circulated and a deadline for >> applications was set for the 31 July 2014. >> >> The three evaluators (GNSO Council Chair and Vice Chairs) carefully >> and thoroughly evaluated each application against the specified >> criteria. Following this process, the application submitted by Mason >> Cole was selected to be put forward to the GNSO Council for the >> position of GNSO Liaison to the GAC. >> >> Here the council will consider motion 5 >> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+04+September+2014> to >> appoint Mason Cole as the GNSO Liaison to the GAC with immediate >> effect such that he can be well informed and up to speed in order to >> participate effectively as soon as possible and, in particular, at >> ICANN 51. >> >> Unless terminated earlier according to the processes agreed or >> extended by a new motion of the Council, the term of the Liaison will >> run for the course of the current financial year, FY 2015 (ending 30 >> June 2015). >> >> 5.1 – Motion >> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+04+September+2014> (David >> Cake) >> 5.2 – Discussion >> 5.3 – Vote (simple majority) >> >> *_Item 6: MOTION – _**_Adoption of the charter >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/iana-stewardship-naming-function-charter-14aug14-en.pdf> for >> a cross community working group to develop a transition proposal for >> IANA stewardship on naming related functions (15 mins)_* >> >> Following the distribution of an invitation to participate >> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/process-next-steps-2014-06-06-en>, >> a drafting team (DT) was formed with participants from the ccNSO, >> GNSO, SSAC and ALAC to develop a charter for a Cross Community >> Working Group to Develop an IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal on >> Naming Related Functions. >> >> A drafting team was formed and has worked efficiently to produce a >> charter. Thecharter >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/iana-stewardship-naming-function-charter-14aug14-en.pdf> is >> now being sent out to the supporting organisations for support. >> >> Here the Council will take the opportunity to review, discuss and >> vote on the adoption of the Charter. >> >> 6.1 – Motion >> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+04+September+2014> (Avri >> Doria) >> 6.2 – Discussion >> 6.3 – Vote (simple majority) >> 6.4 – Next steps >> >> *_ >> _* >> >> *_Item 7: DISCUSSION – The r_**_eport of the ICANN Board Working >> Group on the Nominating Committee_**__**_(10 mins)_* >> >> The Board Working Group on Nominating Committee (BWG‐NomCom) is >> charged with performing the review called for in Recommendation 10 of >> the Nominating Committee Review Finalization Working Group, >> addressing issues of the size and composition of the Nominating >> Committee, as well as the related issues of NomCom’s recruitment and >> selection functions. >> >> The Board Working Group on Nominating Committee has recently >> published itsreport >> <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/bwg-nomcom-2014-08-21-en>. >> >> Here the Council will take the opportunity to discuss the report and >> consider what if any action to take. >> >> 7.1 – Discussion >> 7.2 – Next steps >> >> *_Item 8: DISCUSSION – The draft charter from for a _**_cross >> community working group on internet governance _**_(10 mins)_* >> >> A drafting team was formed and has worked to produce a charter. The >> charter >> <http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg16549.html> has >> been previously sent out to organisations for discussion and comment, >> including the GNSO Council. >> >> Here the Council will take the opportunity to discuss the charter and >> consider the appropriate next steps. >> >> 8.1 – Discussion >> 8.2 – Next steps >> >> *_Item 9: UPDATE – On the work of the GNSO Review Working Party (10 >> mins)_* >> >> As part of a periodic review process that is built into the ICANN >> model, work on the ICANN Board initiated reviews of the GNSO (and the >> GNSO Council and related functions) has commenced. The objective of >> the Review is to examine the organizational effectiveness of the >> GNSO, including its components (GNSO Council, GNSO Working Groups, >> GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies). The review is to be >> tightly scoped based on objective and quantifiable criteria provided >> to an independent examiner. >> >> The GNSO Review Working Party has been assembled to: >> >> * Act as a liaison between the GNSO, the independent examiner and >> the SIC, >> * Provide input on review criteria and the 360 Assessment, >> * Coordinate interviews and objectively supply clarification and >> responses to the draft findings and recommendations. >> >> The SIC envisages that once a final report is issued and the Board >> takes action on it, as appropriate, the GNSO Review Working Party >> will also coordinate with the GNSO community to prepare an >> Implementation Plan and champion implementation of improvement >> activities. >> >> 9.1 – Update (Jennifer Wolfe) >> 9.2 – Discussion >> 9.3 – Next steps >> >> *_Item 10: Procedure to elect the GNSO Council Chair (10 mins)_* >> >> We have previously used an election procedure. Here we will review a >> current version >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/gnso-council-chair-election-26aug14-en.pdf> of >> the same procedure with a view to approving it for use in the run up >> to and during the course of the 2014 ICANN Annual Meeting in Los Angeles. >> >> 10.1 Presentation of procedure >> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/gnso-council-chair-election-26aug14-en.pdf> (Jonathan >> Robinson) >> 10.2 Discussion >> 10.3 Call to approve the procedure >> >> *_Item 11: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Planning for LA (10 mins)_* >> >> Making the most out of the face-to-face meeting time available at the >> ICANN Meeting in LA will take planning and preparation work. The >> Council has output from the survey >> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QMQJY7Z> of the ICANN 50 meeting in >> London. >> >> Here the Council has the opportunity to feed into plans and provide >> input based on past experience. Included in this item will be the >> opportunity to shape the approach to and substance of the Council's >> proposed meetings with other groups such as the ccNSO, the GAC and >> the ICANN board. >> >> *Please Note:* The LA Meeting is an ICANN annual meeting and so will >> include the GNSO Council development session on the second Friday >> i.e. *Friday 17 October 2014*. This is a day and evening session >> focused on the successful and productive functioning of the Council >> for the period Annual Meeting 2014 to Annual Meeting 2015. >> >> 11.1 – Update (David Cake & Jonathan Robinson) >> 11.2 – Discussion >> 11.3 – Next steps >> >> *_Item 12: Any Other Business (5 mins)_* >> >> *_ >> _* >> >> *Remote participation for NCSG confcall in Tuesday:* >> >> _Please find the AC room and dial in details here:_ >> >> *Adobe Connect room*: >> https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/?launcher=false >> >> *Passcodes/Pin codes:* >> >> Participant passcode: NCSG Policy >> >> *For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the >> conference. * >> >> *Dial in numbers:* >> >> *Country* >> >> >> >> >> >> *Toll Numbers* >> >> >> >> *Freephone/ >> Toll Free Number* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ARGENTINA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 0800-777-0519 <tel:0800-777-0519> >> >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >> ADELAIDE: >> >> >> >> 61-8-8121-4842 >> >> >> >> 1-800-657-260 >> >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >> BRISBANE: >> >> >> >> 61-7-3102-0944 >> >> >> >> 1-800-657-260 >> >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >> CANBERRA: >> >> >> >> 61-2-6100-1944 >> >> >> >> 1-800-657-260 >> >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >> MELBOURNE: >> >> >> >> 61-3-9010-7713 >> >> >> >> 1-800-657-260 >> >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >> PERTH: >> >> >> >> 61-8-9467-5223 >> >> >> >> 1-800-657-260 >> >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >> SYDNEY: >> >> >> >> 61-2-8205-8129 >> >> >> >> 1-800-657-260 >> >> AUSTRIA >> >> >> >> >> >> 43-1-92-81-113 >> >> >> >> 0800-005-259 >> >> BELGIUM >> >> >> >> >> >> 32-2-400-9861 >> >> >> >> 0800-3-8795 >> >> BRAZIL >> >> >> >> >> >> 55-11-3958-0779 >> >> >> >> 0800-7610651 <tel:0800-7610651> >> >> CHILE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1230-020-2863 >> >> CHINA >> >> >> >> CHINA A: >> >> >> >> 86-400-810-4789 >> >> >> >> 10800-712-1670 >> >> CHINA >> >> >> >> CHINA B: >> >> >> >> 86-400-810-4789 >> >> >> >> 10800-120-1670 >> >> COLOMBIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 01800-9-156474 >> >> CROATIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 080-08-06-309 >> >> CZECH REPUBLIC >> >> >> >> >> >> 420-2-25-98-56-64 >> >> >> >> 800-700-177 >> >> DENMARK >> >> >> >> >> >> 45-7014-0284 >> >> >> >> 8088-8324 >> >> ESTONIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 800-011-1093 >> >> FINLAND >> >> >> >> >> >> 358-9-5424-7162 >> >> >> >> 0-800-9-14610 >> >> FRANCE >> >> >> >> LYON: >> >> >> >> 33-4-26-69-12-85 >> >> >> >> 080-511-1496 >> >> FRANCE >> >> >> >> MARSEILLE: >> >> >> >> 33-4-86-06-00-85 >> >> >> >> 080-511-1496 >> >> FRANCE >> >> >> >> PARIS: >> >> >> >> 33-1-70-70-60-72 >> >> >> >> 080-511-1496 >> >> GERMANY >> >> >> >> >> >> 49-69-2222-20362 >> >> >> >> 0800-664-4247 <tel:0800-664-4247> >> >> GREECE >> >> >> >> >> >> 30-80-1-100-0687 >> >> >> >> 00800-12-7312 >> >> HONG KONG >> >> >> >> >> >> 852-3001-3863 >> >> >> >> 800-962-856 >> >> HUNGARY >> >> >> >> >> >> 36-1-700-8856 >> >> >> >> 06-800-12755 >> >> INDIA >> >> >> >> BANGALORE: >> >> >> >> 91-80-61275204 >> >> >> >> INDIA >> >> >> >> MUMBAI: >> >> >> >> 91-22-61501629 >> >> >> >> INDIA >> >> >> >> INDIA A: >> >> >> >> >> >> 000-800-852-1268 >> >> INDIA >> >> >> >> INDIA B: >> >> >> >> >> >> 000-800-001-6305 >> >> INDIA >> >> >> >> INDIA C: >> >> >> >> >> >> 1800-300-00491 >> >> INDONESIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 001-803-011-3982 >> >> IRELAND >> >> >> >> >> >> 353-1-246-7646 >> >> >> >> 1800-992-368 >> >> ISRAEL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1-80-9216162 >> >> ITALY >> >> >> >> MILAN: >> >> >> >> 39-02-3600-6007 >> >> >> >> 800-986-383 >> >> ITALY >> >> >> >> ROME: >> >> >> >> 39-06-8751-6018 >> >> >> >> 800-986-383 >> >> ITALY >> >> >> >> TORINO: >> >> >> >> 39-011-510-0118 >> >> >> >> 800-986-383 >> >> JAPAN >> >> >> >> OSAKA: >> >> >> >> 81-6-7739-4799 <tel:81-6-7739-4799> >> >> >> >> 0066-33-132439 >> >> JAPAN >> >> >> >> TOKYO: >> >> >> >> 81-3-5539-5191 <tel:81-3-5539-5191> >> >> >> >> 0066-33-132439 >> >> LATVIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 8000-3185 >> >> LUXEMBOURG >> >> >> >> >> >> 352-27-000-1364 >> >> >> >> 8002-9246 >> >> MALAYSIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1-800-81-3065 >> >> MEXICO >> >> >> >> GUADALAJARA (JAL): >> >> >> >> 52-33-3208-7310 >> >> >> >> 001-866-376-9696 >> >> MEXICO >> >> >> >> MEXICO CITY: >> >> >> >> 52-55-5062-9110 >> >> >> >> 001-866-376-9696 >> >> MEXICO >> >> >> >> MONTERREY: >> >> >> >> 52-81-2482-0610 >> >> >> >> 001-866-376-9696 >> >> NETHERLANDS >> >> >> >> >> >> 31-20-718-8588 >> >> >> >> 0800-023-4378 <tel:0800-023-4378> >> >> NEW ZEALAND >> >> >> >> >> >> 64-9-970-4771 >> >> >> >> 0800-447-722 >> >> NORWAY >> >> >> >> >> >> 47-21-590-062 >> >> >> >> 800-15157 >> >> PANAMA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 011-001-800-5072065 >> >> PERU >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 0800-53713 >> >> PHILIPPINES >> >> >> >> >> >> 63-2-858-3716 >> >> >> >> 1800-111-42453 >> >> POLAND >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 00-800-1212572 >> >> PORTUGAL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 8008-14052 >> >> ROMANIA >> >> >> >> >> >> 40-31-630-01-79 >> >> >> >> RUSSIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 8-10-8002-0144011 >> >> SAUDI ARABIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 800-8-110087 >> >> SINGAPORE >> >> >> >> >> >> 65-6883-9230 >> >> >> >> 800-120-4663 >> >> SLOVAK REPUBLIC >> >> >> >> >> >> 421-2-322-422-25 >> >> >> >> 0800-002066 >> >> SLOVENIA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 0-800-81310 >> >> SOUTH AFRICA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 080-09-80414 >> >> SOUTH KOREA >> >> >> >> >> >> 82-2-6744-1083 >> >> >> >> 00798-14800-7352 >> >> SPAIN >> >> >> >> >> >> 34-91-414-25-33 >> >> >> >> 800-300-053 >> >> SWEDEN >> >> >> >> >> >> 46-8-566-19-348 >> >> >> >> 0200-884-622 >> >> SWITZERLAND >> >> >> >> >> >> 41-44-580-6398 >> >> >> >> 0800-120-032 >> >> TAIWAN >> >> >> >> >> >> 886-2-2795-7379 >> >> >> >> 00801-137-797 >> >> THAILAND >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 001-800-1206-66056 >> >> TURKEY >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 00-800-151-0516 >> >> UNITED ARAB EMIRATES >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 8000-35702370 >> >> UNITED KINGDOM >> >> >> >> BIRMINGHAM: >> >> >> >> 44-121-210-9025 >> >> >> >> 0808-238-6029 >> >> UNITED KINGDOM >> >> >> >> GLASGOW: >> >> >> >> 44-141-202-3225 >> >> >> >> 0808-238-6029 >> >> UNITED KINGDOM >> >> >> >> LEEDS: >> >> >> >> 44-113-301-2125 >> >> >> >> 0808-238-6029 >> >> UNITED KINGDOM >> >> >> >> LONDON: >> >> >> >> 44-20-7108-6370 >> >> >> >> 0808-238-6029 >> >> UNITED KINGDOM >> >> >> >> MANCHESTER: >> >> >> >> 44-161-601-1425 >> >> >> >> 0808-238-6029 >> >> URUGUAY >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 000-413-598-3421 >> >> USA >> >> >> >> >> >> 1-517-345-9004 >> >> >> >> 866-692-5726 >> >> VENEZUELA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 0800-1-00-3702 >> >> >> > > *********************************************** > William J. 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