-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, And when specific things were commented on they fixed them. I am not against making points and getting things fixed. That is happening and we can see it. I am talking about the filing of yet another RR. Until such time as we have a new accountability structure, that is just a feel good waste of time for everyone. But I know I will not stop you from filing an RR. I am just completely against it and get more so all the time, as I see them improving the process. And please do not accuse me of not trying to get it right. I am working on that and made many of my points in a blog i produced on the spot when the plan first came out - when i complained about various aspects and where we have already seen fixes. So lets just agree to disagree and stop this. avri On 29-Aug-14 12:15, Robin Gross wrote: > Avri, I don't understand your claims that we aren't getting on > with the accountability process. At every opportunity we have > participated in this process and are continuing to participate in > the process going forward. Expressing our concerns about a bad > process is not stopping the process - it is the means by which it > improve it going forward. Some of us care about getting it right > more than just playing along with whatever we are given. > > Robin > > > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Signed PGP part Hi, >> >> How is a letter from a few leaders on the own initiative without >> any 'democratic' checking with their constituencies, asking for >> more time an indication that the whole community indicated >> no-support. >> >> I for one am satisficed they are moving ahead, we have been >> waiting to do this accountability work for years. Enough talking >> about it in the future and time get started with the work. >> >> Yes, they could have introduced it better. Yes it needs fixing - >> and they are fixing, hence the call for names, and the fact that >> charters will be worked out with the WGs. Yes, it would have >> been wise for them to hold yet another comment period given the >> extensive model they were offering. >> >> But this desire to argue forever for a perfect mechanism instead >> of getting about the work of fixing ICANN accountability >> continue to baffle me. >> >> avri >> >> On 29-Aug-14 08:22, Seun Ojedeji wrote: >>> Am i missing something? Looks like ICANN is continuing in it's >>> Accountability process irrespective of the communities joint >>> letter indicating a no-support. >>> >>> Cheers! sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and >>> typos. On 29 Aug 2014 05:04, "Adam" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Accountability & Governance Public Experts Group has >>>> published its call for candidates for advisors to the ICANN >>>> Accountability & Governance Coordination Group. Please see < >>>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-08-28-en> >>>> >>>> text below. >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In Short >>>> >>>> The Accountability & Governance Public Experts Group is >>>> asked to select up to seven advisors to the ICANN >>>> Accountability & Governance Coordination Group. As part of >>>> executing its mandate, the Public Experts Group is issuing a >>>> Call for Candidates to encourage nominations from the >>>> community. >>>> >>>> Nominations are to be submitted to [log in to unmask] by >>>> Wednesday, 10 September 2014 – 23:59 UTC. >>>> >>>> Background Information On 14 March 2014 the National >>>> Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) >>>> announced its intent to transition its stewardship of the >>>> Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) functions to the >>>> global multistakeholder community. NTIA asked the Internet >>>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), as the >>>> IANA functions contractor and global coordinator for the >>>> Domain Name System (DNS), to convene a multistakeholder >>>> process to develop a proposal for the transition. This >>>> process is currently under way as further described here. >>>> >>>> During discussions around the transition process, the >>>> community raised the broader topic of the impact of the >>>> change in the historical contractual relationship with the >>>> United States in light of the transition ofNTIA's stewardship >>>> role. The community identified the importance of improving >>>> ICANN Accountability & Governance as a crucial aspect and, >>>> after community consultations at the ICANN 49 and ICANN50 >>>> meetings and a comment period on a draft process from 6 May – >>>> 27 June 2014, ICANN published afinal Process and Next Steps >>>> on 14 August 2014. >>>> >>>> Subsequent to this announcement, on 19 August 2014, ICANN >>>> announced the formation of the Public Experts Group. These >>>> four individuals – who are not part of ICANN's staff or Board >>>> – are asked to select up to seven advisors to the >>>> Coordination Group. The Public Experts are Mr. Brian Cute, >>>> Ms. Jeanette Hofmann, Amb. Janis Karklins, and Hon. Lawrence >>>> E. Strickling. >>>> >>>> Role of Advisors The role of the Advisors is defined as >>>> follows in the Process: >>>> >>>> The advisors, selected by the Public Experts Group, will >>>> bring an external, independent voice to this process to >>>> assure that best practices are brought in from outside of the >>>> ICANN community. While there is a level of research and work >>>> that the advisors will do on their own, the integration of >>>> the advisors with the rest of the Coordination Group is key >>>> to considering how the research they perform can be best >>>> implemented to solve for the issues identified. The advisors >>>> can also help bring inputs in from their own networks as >>>> necessary. Utilized correctly, the advisor inputs will not >>>> only assist in developing enhanced accountability practices >>>> for ICANN, but provide a model that other multistakeholder >>>> organizations will strive to meet. >>>> >>>> The areas identified for expertise include: >>>> >>>> • Internet Technical Operations • International >>>> Organizational Reviews • Global Accountability Tools and >>>> Metrics • Jurisprudence / Accountability Mechanisms • >>>> Internet Consumer Protection (including privacy, human rights >>>> and property rights concerns) • Economics (Marketplace and >>>> Competition) • Global Ethics Frameworks • Operational, >>>> Finance and Process • Board Governance • Transparency • Risk >>>> Management • Governmental Engagement and Relations • >>>> Multistakeholder Governance >>>> >>>> Selection of Advisors As part of executing its mandate, the >>>> Public Experts Group is issuing a Call for Candidates to >>>> encourage nominations and self-nomination of suitable >>>> candidates. The Public Experts Group may reach out to their >>>> networks for additional suggestions. >>>> >>>> The Public Experts Group will conduct its activities with a >>>> "default open" and its process can be followed, through its >>>> mailing list and its Wiki. In evaluating candidates, the >>>> Public Expert Group will respect individual candidates' >>>> privacy and will deliberate in closed session where >>>> appropriate. >>>> >>>> How to Submit a Nomination The Public Experts Group is >>>> seeking nominations for individuals to serve as Advisors to >>>> the Coordination Group. Nominations should include the >>>> following: >>>> >>>> • A brief description of the candidate's background • >>>> Identified area(s) of expertise based on the list in the >>>> Process. >>>> >>>> Nominations should be emailed to [log in to unmask] >>>> Upon receipt of a nomination, ICANN staff will confirm with >>>> the candidate if he/she is indeed willing to be considered. >>>> >>>> Deadline Nominations will be accepted until Wednesday, 10 >>>> September – 23:59 UTC. The Public Experts Group will select >>>> Advisors to the Coordination Group in time for the first >>>> Coordination Group meeting, which will take place from >>>> during the ICANN 51 meeting in Los Angeles from 12-16 October >>>> 2014. >>>> >>>> Timeline Advisors are anticipated to serve on the >>>> Coordination Group from October 2014 until April 2015. During >>>> this time, Advisors can estimate 5-10h of work per week, with >>>> a heightened workload during the ICANN51 (12 – 16 October >>>> 2014) and ICANN 52 (8 – 12 February 2015) meetings where >>>> travel for in person meetings is expected. >>>> >>>> NB: The timeline described above is the Public Experts >>>> Group's assessment based on the Process and is subject to >>>> change after the Coordination Group determines its working >>>> methods. >>>> >>>> Compensation Advisors will not receive remuneration for their >>>> time. However, travel, meal and lodging costs to >>>> participate in Coordination Group meetings will be reimbursed >>>> upon request in accordance withICANN's community travel >>>> support guidelines. >>>> >>>> Contact Please contact [log in to unmask] for any >>>> questions you may have. >>>> >>> >> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUAEfYAAoJEOo+L8tCe36HhRgH/RWqfMv/DhizxXlCHYyQ/2X7 /j07VWs6Sn0j6hLpPCdobWhWWaESz1z+EwdDTLFZ7tTPoGv48LWV1h1kqE7eqF8w KlOD0+/lLgrlcdkQ/JSQhM0TmK4E4W9X5uy/g4tUY6vx6NdcwcHnVQvvIlnI/y7C 4CTZNF0pC2ro2vXEFpBbMeDTflEV9LziOdEqqYhmDijIepJu22cqFXI/9XiRvriH ZQkPr1kp96ZDvItD3t4+U6GElu6aDiOqzo1Wy1UHslTIqfB0LkVS8V4YR5HLOIdX VYuBijp4fy4TeB+H91A3EcxnJcAt6sh2uIOcrntRbsEd5nR3PyMFEzzqGD2Dpsg= =jV75 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----