Ditto. Thanks for your leadership on this Rafik. I know from past conversations how close these issues are to your heart. Please count me in, in whatever form the group takes. -----Original Message----- From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:34:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion Thanks, Rafik. I very much support your suggestion that we form a dedicated work team to focus on ICANN accountability and coordinate our efforts in the most effective way. Should we set up a dedicated email list and begin to formulate a response to staff's proposal? Best, Robin On Aug 7, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote: Hi , @Robin yes you can share with me (and in the list) your questions and I will send them to staff. I attended the call and the tone and substance of the responses were quite concerning. my first question there was about the role and involvement of the board for selecting the experts and it was not really answered. At GNSO level, the different "leaders" of stakeholders group and constituencies are discussing what should be done and following-up the statement we made for the public forum in London ICANN meeting. I will send more updates soon. CEO, board and staff represent a stakeholder or interest group in this particular process and so we should design one where they can create less interference so we need specific suggestions here to mitigate the risks. the idea of cross-community group was also discussed but there are still open questions because it is not just about changing the label from community assembly. we are also still waiting for the summary of comments from the public comments period. what I suggest: - we as NCSG, should a setup an ad-hoc group to follow-up of our statement on accountability but also individual comments from members. we need to be responsive and following exclusively the process, lasting for months, with dedicated volunteers who can volunteer and keep other members updated. so this is proposal to be discussed and kind of call for volunteers. I welcome suggestions on how to implement this. Registries SG set up its own internal working group on accountability, we can adopt such best practices and experiment (not sure if ALAC has its group too) - as quick action : collecting and consolidating all questions and comments regrading the draft proposal from ICANN staff such as questions from Robin. Best Regards, Rafik 2014-08-07 3:19 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>: Yes, indeed. I listened to the call and was disappointed by staff's proposal to control the accountability process and defensiveness when called on it. We have been asking staff for information on what it would be proposing for a couple months (at GNSO mtg & last "leaders" call) and we were just told not to worry about it, that staff was busy compiling the input and would dialogue with us soon. Finally, without seeing the "synthesis" of the community input, we get this half-baked proposal from Fadi that calls for a process of two-tier accountability groups in which board-staff controls the group that "prioritizes" issues and "solutions". The 7 "experts" board selects for this group aren't really part of a "community" coordination group. Experts are great, but they should be selected by and report to the community (not board-staff) and not pretend like they represent stakeholders in the community. Also, staff's proposal doesn't quite say who will be making final decisions regarding the output of the groups proposed. Also, staff should be in this group in an informational / support / liaison sort of role, not as an equal participant with the community members. Rather than try to design the whole accountability process internally to create a process that board-staff could control the output of, the community should have been engaged in the formulation of this proposal, as we've been asking every time we get to speak to them. It seems like the input staff will now take is minor, around the edges and relating to the community assembly / working group -- and NOT the more important decisional body it is proposing. Hopefully we can get some significant changes and clarifications to this staff proposal for accountability at ICANN before Fadi declares that the community is aligned in support of his plan. Rafik, can you relay my concerns back to staff? (or if there is a mechanism for me to do that, I'd be glad to do it myself). But this accountability plan is half-baked and needs more input from the community before it should go forward. When will staff learn that trust must be earned and these sorts of constant shenanigans only hinder confidence and trust in ICANN's legitimacy to govern? Thanks, Robin On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Interesting reading > > avri > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 > ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:34:10 +0100 > From: Jonathan Robinson <[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > Organization: Afilias > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > > All, > > > > FYI. > > > > Audio not attached (its 16MB). All available at the link below. > > > > Jonathan > > > > *From:*Robert Hoggarth [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* 05 August 2014 18:30 > *To:* Theresa Swinehart; David Olive; Byron Holland; > [log in to unmask]; Jonathan Robinson; Louie Lee; Olivier MJ > Crepin-Leblond; Patrik Fältström; Jun Murai; Lars-Johan Liman; Elisa > Cooper; tony holmes; Kristina Rosette; Rafik Dammak; William Drake; Rudi > Vansnick; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight; Drazek, Keith > *Cc:* Susie Johnson; Tina Shelebian; Global Leadership; Duncan Burns; > Samantha Eisner; Bart Boswinkel; Marika Konings; Heidi Ullrich; Steve Sheng > *Subject:* FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN > Accountability Leadership Discussion > > > > Hi All, > > > > Attached please find the recording of yesterday's discussion along with > the call transcript and the AC Room chat transcript. All three > documents are now posted on the CEO-SO/AC/SG Leadership Connect page > at https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar . > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rob > > > > <Transcript - Special ICANN Acctblty Session_20140804_SOACSG_Fadi.pdf><August 4 2014 Chat Special Session.pdf>