Hi, Alwasy good to hear from you. And to have you on the list. I to want to join this effort. Getting ICANN to understand how to be accuntable to the bottom-up processes, remains a challenge. avri On 08-Aug-14 06:18, Norbert Klein wrote: > Dear all, > > though I live at present in a region of Cambodia with no regular > reliable Internet access, I continue to follow things. Robin will > remember, from the time when we were both GNSO councilors, that we > shared this concern about lip-service to bottom-up commitments by staff, > combined with the strong role that staff took from time to time, > forgetting the community voices or GNSO procedures. > > If there will be a special working group on ICANN accountability, please > allow me to be on the list, though I probably will not be able to > participate always in a timely manner. > > We should never give up to raise our concerns. > > > Norbert > Kep/Cambodia > > = > > On 8/8/2014 2:18 AM, Edward Morris wrote: >> Ditto. Thanks for your leadership on this Rafik. I know from past >> conversations how close these issues are to your heart. Please count >> me in, in whatever form the group takes. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:34:39 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 >> August 2014 ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion >> >> Thanks, Rafik. I very much support your suggestion that we form a >> dedicated work team to focus on ICANN accountability and >> coordinate our efforts in the most effective way. Should we set >> up a dedicated email list and begin to formulate a response to >> staff's proposal? >> >> Best, >> Robin >> >> On Aug 7, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote: >> >>> Hi , >>> >>> @Robin yes you can share with me (and in the list) your questions >>> and I will send them to staff. >>> >>> I attended the call and the tone and substance of the responses >>> were quite concerning. my first question there was about the role >>> and involvement of the board for selecting the experts and it was >>> not really answered. >>> >>> At GNSO level, the different "leaders" of stakeholders group and >>> constituencies are discussing what should be done and >>> following-up the statement we made for the public forum in London >>> ICANN meeting. I will send more updates soon. >>> >>> CEO, board and staff represent a stakeholder or interest group in >>> this particular process and so we should design one where they >>> can create less interference so we need specific suggestions here >>> to mitigate the risks. the idea of cross-community group was also >>> discussed but there are still open questions because it is not >>> just about changing the label from community assembly. we are >>> also still waiting for the summary of comments from the public >>> comments period. >>> >>> what I suggest: >>> - we as NCSG, should a setup an ad-hoc group to follow-up of our >>> statement on accountability but also individual comments from >>> members. we need to be responsive and following exclusively the >>> process, lasting for months, with dedicated volunteers who can >>> volunteer and keep other members updated. so this is proposal to >>> be discussed and kind of call for volunteers. I welcome >>> suggestions on how to implement this. Registries SG set up its >>> own internal working group on accountability, we can adopt such >>> best practices and experiment (not sure if ALAC has its group too) >>> - as quick action : collecting and consolidating all questions >>> and comments regrading the draft proposal from ICANN staff such >>> as questions from Robin. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Rafik >>> >>> 2014-08-07 3:19 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>: >>> >>> Yes, indeed. I listened to the call and was disappointed by >>> staff's proposal to control the accountability process and >>> defensiveness when called on it. We have been asking staff >>> for information on what it would be proposing for a couple >>> months (at GNSO mtg & last "leaders" call) and we were just >>> told not to worry about it, that staff was busy compiling the >>> input and would dialogue with us soon. Finally, without >>> seeing the "synthesis" of the community input, we get this >>> half-baked proposal from Fadi that calls for a process of >>> two-tier accountability groups in which board-staff controls >>> the group that "prioritizes" issues and "solutions". The 7 >>> "experts" board selects for this group aren't really part of >>> a "community" coordination group. Experts are great, but >>> they should be selected by and report to the community (not >>> board-staff) and not pretend like they represent stakeholders >>> in the community. Also, staff's proposal doesn't quite say >>> who will be making final decisions regarding the output of >>> the groups proposed. Also, staff should be in this group in >>> an informational / support / liaison sort of role, not as an >>> equal participant with the community members. >>> >>> Rather than try to design the whole accountability process >>> internally to create a process that board-staff could control >>> the output of, the community should have been engaged in the >>> formulation of this proposal, as we've been asking every time >>> we get to speak to them. >>> >>> It seems like the input staff will now take is minor, around >>> the edges and relating to the community assembly / working >>> group -- and NOT the more important decisional body it is >>> proposing. Hopefully we can get some significant changes and >>> clarifications to this staff proposal for accountability at >>> ICANN before Fadi declares that the community is aligned in >>> support of his plan. >>> >>> Rafik, can you relay my concerns back to staff? (or if there >>> is a mechanism for me to do that, I'd be glad to do it >>> myself). But this accountability plan is half-baked and >>> needs more input from the community before it should go forward. >>> >>> When will staff learn that trust must be earned and these >>> sorts of constant shenanigans only hinder confidence and >>> trust in ICANN's legitimacy to govern? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> > Interesting reading >>> > >>> > avri >>> > >>> > >>> > -------- Original Message -------- >>> > Subject: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript >>> of 4 August 2014 >>> > ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion >>> > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:34:10 +0100 >>> > From: Jonathan Robinson <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> > Reply-To: <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> > Organization: Afilias >>> > To: <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > All, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > FYI. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Audio not attached (its 16MB). All available at the link below. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Jonathan >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *From:*Robert Hoggarth [mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] >>> > *Sent:* 05 August 2014 18:30 >>> > *To:* Theresa Swinehart; David Olive; Byron Holland; >>> > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>; >>> Jonathan Robinson; Louie Lee; Olivier MJ >>> > Crepin-Leblond; Patrik Fältström; Jun Murai; Lars-Johan >>> Liman; Elisa >>> > Cooper; tony holmes; Kristina Rosette; Rafik Dammak; >>> William Drake; Rudi >>> > Vansnick; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight; Drazek, Keith >>> > *Cc:* Susie Johnson; Tina Shelebian; Global Leadership; >>> Duncan Burns; >>> > Samantha Eisner; Bart Boswinkel; Marika Konings; Heidi >>> Ullrich; Steve Sheng >>> > *Subject:* FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 >>> ICANN >>> > Accountability Leadership Discussion >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi All, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Attached please find the recording of yesterday's >>> discussion along with >>> > the call transcript and the AC Room chat transcript. All three >>> > documents are now posted on the CEO-SO/AC/SG Leadership >>> Connect page >>> > at >>> https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar >>> . >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Best regards, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Rob >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > <Transcript - Special ICANN Acctblty >>> Session_20140804_SOACSG_Fadi.pdf><August 4 2014 Chat Special >>> Session.pdf> >>> >>> >