@Kathy, do you think that concerns with the EWG report could be
mainstreamed as a key exemple to render discussions on HR at ICANN (topic
1) concrete with something we can act upon?

I see a strong correlation between 2 and 3. The bottom-up multistakeholder
model can not function without proper accountability. In sum, I support the
three topics.

Best
Marília

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Norbert Klein <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> /William Drake wrote:/
> On 3) ..."It also ties directly to a debate that both Fadi and some board
> members have been starting in various contexts, particularly the SO-AC-SG
> chairs space, about “trust” and the weaknesses thereof revealed in the
> accountability process.  Having a frank and open discussion of this would
> be useful"
>
> I think in this case it would also be good to "to specify exactly which
> outcomes on non-outcomes to date we have a concern about, otherwise we
> could get sort of generic answers back about how of course they are
> following the process blah blah blah" (as On 2) below.
>
> Maybe stating here a reference to the response by Fadi Chehade and Stephen
> Crocker (in response to the stakeholder leader's letter /"Enhancing ICANN
> Accountability and Governance"/ to Fadi Chehade and the Board) if a
> substantial number of NCSG colleagues also feel that their response was not
> an appropriate answer to the serious questions raised. That is what I feel
> - it has not raised my "trust". And NOT raising this frankly and
> specifically may result in loosing a unique opportunity for an open
> discussion with the board.
>
> Norbert Klein
> Cambodia
>
>
> On 9/23/2014 1:26 PM, William Drake wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Rafik Dammak <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> as usual we will have 1 hour meeting with the board and they need topics
>>> we want to discuss in advance.
>>> can you please share what you think we should discuss with them. Please
>>> write a brief introduction of the topic you want to suggest.
>>>
>>> as starter I think we  have those proposed by Avri :
>>>
>>>  1. Human Rights considerations at ICANN
>>>  2. Discussion on outcomes to date from the ATRT2 report
>>>  3. What does multistakeholder bottom-up process mean at ICANN  (this
>>>     may be related to one there on essence of ICANN.)
>>>
>>>
>> Works for me.
>>
>> On 1) there will be further discussion of the COE paper and HR issues at
>> NCUC’s Constituency Day meeting and there’s talk of trying to also organize
>> a cross-community meeting of some sort Wednesday, but I’m not sure whether
>> the latter will pan out in the time available.  It’d be useful to engage
>> the board in the discussion.
>>
>> On 2) it might be good to specify exactly which outcomes on non-outcomes
>> to date we have a concern about, otherwise we could get sort of generic
>> answers back about how of course they are following the process blah blah
>> blah.
>>
>> On 3) I think this is important because there’ve been comments from ICANN
>> leadership about what does bottom up really mean, how important is it,
>> isn’t it just a drag on the quick decision making needed, it’s not in the
>> bylaws, etc., which is a bit worrying. * It also ties directly to a debate
>> that both Fadi and some board members have been starting in various
>> contexts, particularly the SO-AC-SG chairs space, about “trust” and the
>> weaknesses thereof revealed in the accountability process*.  Having a frank
>> and open discussion of this would be useful, it’s on a lot of minds and I
>> imagine the board will have parallel sorts of discussions with other
>> groupings that day.
>>
>> In terms of priority and time allocation I’d argue for 3 1 2 but others
>> may have different preferences.  Hopefully we don’t compress 3) too much or
>> we’ll get stock answers rather than probing dialogue.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>


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