Rafik,

Thanks for the useful questions and comments, and thanks to Tapani for his comments and his expertise. Rather than making a long response I would like to extract the key points [numbered] for follow up.

The objective is to manage these two processes while making NCSG and its constituency groups, best practice users of the Internet to. This will reduce administrative demands on the various executives and volunteers, freeing up more time to deal with substantive and policy issues.

One overarching issue has to do with how much ICANN support and involvement does NCSG want. Is it is an issue of trust, of efficiency, or of optics that suggests that little be hosted on ICANN servers? This needs to be discussed, and decisions arrived at. There are pluses and minuses whichever way one goes here.  At the moment there are at least three independent server sites support NCSG and constituency services.

1.      We are in agreement with the idea that there should be one application form for NCSG that clearly states the constituency (NCUC/NPOC/neither) membership options.  The form can reside on NCSG, NCUC and NPOC websites and report back to admissions email boxes.    With regard to application improvements, there is no suggestion for over engineering, and in fact the opposite. A clear and concise application form will expedite application by interested parties, and expedite the admission processes at both the NCSG and constituency levels.

2.      Glad to hear that application improvement is being discussed, including a review of appropriate fields for the admission process, and what fields may be needed by NCSG, NCUC and NPOC. The key point is that fields should serve both the admissions process and the ongoing work of NCSG and the constituencies. Proposals for changes here (record forms and fields) should be shared with NCSG members to gather member feedback and draw on member expertise.

3.     With regard to maintaining the membership database: Best practices for maintaining the membership databases should put membership updating in the hands of members. While NCSG and the constituency groups may always have to chase laggards with faulty membership data, the process should have self-administered membership profiles, to facilitate ease of member access and to free up executive time and talents for more important work.

4.      The aution not adding fields not directly related to applications or aimed for specific purpose of course makes sense. Fields can be added when parts of the database are imported, for local (NCUC/NPOC) use. One way to facilitate that is for member profiles to contain fields for more information than just what is on the membership application. This doesn’t burden the application process, facilitates profile updates, and doesn’t take up NCSG executive time.   

 5.      The question of where to host the membership database and services is important and part of the overarching issue referenced above. Hosting it, or not hosting it at ICANN, has maintenance implications, access implications, and possibly political (optics) implications.
  
6.      The issue of database access is not complicated. Below the high level editing access, there can be only edit/view/export  access. NCUC and NPOC can export some/all of the database and add whatever they need. The NCSG Charter makes the NCSG EC and Chair responsible for maintaining and updating the membership database, but that does not mean that they should use valuable EC and Chair time to manually do what is an administrative task. However that is done, membership profiles would help. The current process of having members update records by contacting the NCSG chair is needlessly burdensome and inefficient.

 7.       With regard to where profiles should reside, that doesn’t really matter. The prior issue to be resolved is what services should be mounted at ICANN, or elsewhere, and how profile access should be managed. The profile approach respects the KISS principle, gives more power to the stakeholder, and reduces labor demands on the executive and administration.

The overall goal is to do these things efficiently and effective, and free up executive and volunteer effort to deal with policy and other matters of substance.

Sam L.