William Hello, hello all,

I agree with Avri

In my opinion, this is not nothing because the proposal was listened to and
if governments want to consult with respect to the gait, I think we can
consider in a positive light. But this requires us to track and remain
attentive to these same steps if we will resume the approval process.

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2014-09-06 10:31 GMT+02:00 William Drake <[log in to unmask]>:

> Ok, I tend think it makes more sense to swing back and later and consider
> endorsing a shared letter that has government support, but if you want to
> keep collecting sigs for a letter that the governments say will not fly, go
> for it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>
> On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I talked to Chris Painter and other government types last night.  While
> > all are agreed that having a letter signed by the world would be best,
> > having multiple letters singed by bunches of people & organizations is
> > still a good thing.
> >
> > Incidentally he agreed that using the word 'ongoing' would have been
> > better than 'open ended', but as you said other governments had other
> > wording issues.  Incidentally no one objected to the ends the letter was
> > positing.
> >
> > I tend to see this as still worth having and collecting signatures on
> > and submitting/publishing at some point.  It is, if nothing else, a clue
> > to what the rest of us want, and it seems to me that it can be joined
> > with other letters with other similar words to tell the UN a few things:
> >
> > - renewal - any letter will probably agree on that
> > - for a period longer than 5 years
> >
> > Of course if other group some up comes up with a variant that everyone
> > can sign, we can sign that too.  But I recommend _not_ scrapping this
> > letter.  If nothing else it keep pressure on for the creation of a
> > universal letter - if such a thing is possible.
> >
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 06-Sep-14 10:09, William Drake wrote:
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> Stephanie Perrin and Jeanette Hofmann of NCUC/SG were the drafters
> >> and driving forces here so they can correct/amend/amplify the
> >> following: This is no longer happening so at this point people need
> >> not keep endorsing it.  It turned out that when the USG people
> >> floated it internally first they got positive responses but then the
> >> legal types who work on UNGA submissions came back with issues with
> >> the wording, particularly the call for an "open ended" mandate (has a
> >> specific and potentially problematic meaning in the UN), and then the
> >> Brazilians and a few other friends governmentals came back with other
> >> language changes.  This could not be sorted out in time, so Chris
> >> Painter, the US Department of State Coordinator for Cyber Issues,
> >> simply said in his speech at the closing that we acknowledge and
> >> applaud that stakeholders are working on a proposal regarding
> >> renewal, or some such thing (check the transcript).
> >>
> >> It would have been very nice to have ended the IGF with a ringing
> >> call for a permanent mandate, which would have helped in the UNGA
> >> negotiations next year over whether to review for the standard five
> >> years, but taking the initiative from start to finish in a couple
> >> days amidst the frenzy of an IGF meeting might have been
> >> over-optimistic if civil society wanted governments to support it.
> >> So now the ball has started rolling and if friendly governments want
> >> to keep it that way they will need to do intergovernmental
> >> consultations and see what they can work out in order to get more
> >> governments to support, and CS will need to coordinate with them.  If
> >> a new letter emerges from that process, it'll be different from what
> >> we've been endorsing, so we might want to do a fresh round at that
> >> point.
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:11 PM, DeeDee Halleck <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> +1 DeeDee Halleck, Deep Dish Network
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Perrin
> >>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear colleagues and fellow stakeholders of the Internet Governance
> >>> Forum: This is further to our message of September 4th, portions of
> >>> which follow:
> >>>
> >>> At the 9th meeting of the Internet Governance Forum, various
> >>> stakeholders discussed their common desire to request an immediate
> >>> extension of the IGF mandate, in order to create stabiity for the
> >>> organization and predictability for those engaged in seeking
> >>> funding for projects. We have drafted a statement to send to the
> >>> UN, to request not just an immediate renewal of the IGF mandate,
> >>> but rather an open-ended re-authorization of the IGF as a
> >>> voluntary, multistakeholder forum. We request that other
> >>> participants in the IGF also support this message on or before
> >>> November 1. ....... UPDATE We have created a neutral website for
> >>> this project at www.igfcontinuation.org, to accept sign-ons of
> >>> organizations, countries, and individuals. Please note that this is
> >>> a different URL from the one circulated yesterday. The undersigned
> >>> will continue to collect your signatures and description of your
> >>> organization if you have trouble signing on.
> >>>
> >>> As of 15:30 UTC+2, September 5 we have been open for signatures
> >>> less than 24 hours, and we have 18 organizations, and 35
> >>> individuals.
> >>>
> >>> Examples of how you will be listed appear below, so please provide
> >>> this information to us if you wish us to sign on for you. 1. Jane
> >>> Smith Individual 2. Acme Industry Association Association
> >>> representing 150 manufacturers of widgets 3. [Country x] Government
> >>> Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have questions.
> >>> Jeanette Hofmann, Berlin Social Science Center, [log in to unmask]
> >>> Stephanie Perrin, Non-commercial Stakeholders Group, ICANN,
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- http://www.deepdishwavesofchange.org
> >>
> >>
>