Hi ! +1 Cheers ! -Olévié- 2015-04-09 7:57 GMT+00:00 William Drake <[log in to unmask]>: > Hi > > New piece by Wolfgang on NMI, FYI > http://www.circleid.com/posts/print/20150408_connecting_computers_to_connecting_stakeholders_stanford_hosts_nmi/ > > Bill > > On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:42 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Jeremy > > Very good to see you here. > > On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > On Apr 5, 2015, at 2:06 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Yes, as I've said, Fadi confused the situation for a long time by making > loose comments about it providing policy solutions, which sounded to some > like he meant it it be a negotiation space that agrees stuff. I spent a > half a year telling him he needed to stop this, and inter alia successfully > insisted that the staff take off the website loose talk drawn from the > Ilves process about solutions meaning policy proposals, draft laws and > regs, etc. Drove me nuts. But of course he doesn't readily take his cues > from troublesome CS types and didn't really take recalibration to heart > until it became clear business and tech comm were not going to let that fly > and key governments were mightily unenthused as well. So at the meeting > last week he was totally focused on making sure the language adopted was > clear NMI doesn't do policy, doesn't negotiation, and doesn't do dialogues, > which is for IGF. Better late than never. > > > So, where do we go to develop solutions - policy proposals, draft laws and > regulations, etc? Still not the IGF, evidently. > > > Valid question with no answer. This was something we kind of disagreed on > back at the aborted launch meeting at WEF last August when you were saying, > if I recall correctly, that NMI should indeed have some normative role e.g. > with respect to elaborating and specifying the NM principles. I understand > the concern about the lack of a mechanism for such work, but felt from the > start that the errors in roll out and framing of NMI and the decision to > link in WEF were inevitably going to generate a lot of backlash, lack of > buy in and end of the world hysteria from key actors, so any effort to > arrogate to NMI such a role was going to be radioactive and sink the thing > before it left port. I think the subsequent evolution vindicates this > view. Given the foundational original sins, the only way this was going to > get any acceptance was to right size it as an operational mechanism to > facilitate work by others consistent with the NM statement (and even this > has continued to draw misdirected fire on the grounds it must secretly be a > scheme to take decision making offline and out of bottom up, which some of > Fadi's lingering representations fed into). > > So the lack of a policymaking mechanism remains, and we will probably hear > about it at the UNGA in December as a rationale to rebirth 'enhanced > cooperation' in the form of some UN uber-solution. It'll be interesting to > see what has to be offered to buy off the G77 and China and successfully > reach an intergovernmental deal. Hopefully they won't choose to make IGF > renewal a bargaining chit, but one suspects they'll try. Maybe we'll end > up having to live with an UNCTAD/CSTD program that can study and make recs; > they're already increasingly active on global e-commerce anyway. Wouldn't > be the worst thing, given the old saw that the acronym means Under No > Circumstances Take Any Decisions. It'd be great if the IGF could evolve to > provide a convincing alternative, as you argued for in your book chapter, > but I don't see it either. The whole discussion of intersessional work has > been redirected to best practice forums on, e.g. > > > - Regulation and mitigation of unwanted communications > <http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_spam_intgovforum.org>: > Markus Kummer > - Establishing and supporting Computer Security Incident Response > Teams (CSIRTs) > <http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_certs_intgovforum.org>: > Markus Kummer > - Developing meaningful multistakeholder participation mechanisms > <http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_multistakeholder_intgovforum.org>: > Avri Doria > - Practices to countering abuse against women online > <http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_counteringabuse_intgovforum.org>: > Jac Kee and Subi Chatuvedi > - IPv6 > <http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_ipv6_intgovforum.org>: > Izumi Okutani > - IXPs > <http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_ixps_intgovforum.org>: > Desirée Zachariah > - > > Which could be a start, but obviously short of what you'd like. It'd have > been good if we could have gotten more CS engagement on the intersessional > stuff at the foundational moment, but messages to Best Bits etc. generated > little interest. CS remains all over the place and hence nowhere on this, > methinks; I see no organized desire to take the IGF seriously as a policy > platform consistent with the TA mandate. People have moved on. > > > Also, FWIW, I'm sure you'll agree that the narrowing of the mission that > you're setting out here remains subject to comment during the current > public consultation on the terms of reference. > > > Sure, and if you'd like to comment on the ToR to the effect that it lacks > suitable ambition and a needed policy role, have at it. Fadi might pleased > that someone finally 'gets it.' > > Best > > Bill > > > ********************************************************* > William J. 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